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All I have to add to this conversation is the fact that Akechi's dad's head is a cueball. And now I have this stupid idea of an alternate universe Akechi being unable to admit his hairline is rapidly receding and those beautiful golden locks starting to fall out when he reaches his mid 20's which leads to his hair style becoming slowly more and more absurd with each episode of his detective show. Shido's last revenge from beyond the grave will be the male-pattern baldness he passed down to his son.
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Alkydere posted:All I have to add to this conversation is the fact that Akechi's dad's head is a cueball. And now I have this stupid idea of an alternate universe Akechi being unable to admit his hairline is rapidly receding and those beautiful golden locks starting to fall out when he reaches his mid 20's which leads to his hair style becoming slowly more and more absurd with each episode of his detective show. Shido's last revenge from beyond the grave will be the male-pattern baldness he passed down to his son. I always thought Shido was either like, 50, old enough for baldness to not be unrare, or he shaved his head intentionally.
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Robindaybird posted:Part of why the "Ageswap" AU is so popular on Tumblr (with the adult Confidants as thieves, and the kids adults - Sojiro taking Joker's role, and Tora is among the crew)  ScruffyTurtle's work is pretty cool. lunar detritus fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 3, 2018 |
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I love how much they make Ohya look like a gremlin in most pictures of her.
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I have never seen this before and it is amazing. SugarAddict posted:Why can't you just shoot the guy and all his cronies? Omobono posted:You mean Shido? Besides this, not having Shido confess to his crimes in public means that his political movement isn't gonna be discredited in the eyes of the electorate, and if you miss some of the cronies, you risk one of them picking up the banner he left behind and turning him into a martyr for the movement. Maybe they don't run it as well as Shido does, but it's still a threat and all that. Besides, that goes way beyond the (pseudo) vigilante justice the Phantom Thieves are employing (since their targets confess and then the police or public prosecutors or whoever take over to finish the job with subsequent investigations and prosecution and imprisonment or whatever the case is), and straight up into political assassination and all that. Sure, the Thieves have been set up to be the murderers of Haru's dad in the eyes of the public already, but that doesn't mean they should live down to the accusation. And yeah, it's hard as gently caress to get a gun in Japan, legal or otherwise. And a huge charge when you're caught with an illegal one, to the point where even the Yakuza knows employing guns is a huge escalation. Sure maybe Iwai's Yakuza connections can get them a real one instead of the model ones he sells, but that's rather traceable innit? And putting one of your Confidants on the line like that for something that out of character for you guys? He probably ain't gonna stick his neck out for you that far...
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Part 173: 12/8: A River In A Dry Land Boss: Beast of Human Sacrifice Music: Rivers in the Desert (Instrumental Version) (Maybe listen to this, but also know that the in-game version doesn’t have the slow part and loops after about 3:40 instead of at the end) Some notes before we begin: This boss is rather difficult, but I’m pretty good at this game by now and this was also my fourth take. Therefore, I unequipped all my SP Adhesive 3s to even the odds a bit. We’ll go more in to the reasoning behind those takes as we go. Also, I have made two critical errors when preparing for this fight! The first is that I forgot to buy more Takemedic-All-Zs to supplement my healing, so we’re stuck with the nine we have left over from the Palace. The other, probably worse error is that I accidentally fused away all my Personas that know any form of healing whatsoever. Oops! Better rely on Makoto, who only knows single-target healing!   I will crush any who stand in my way!  Only myself and the ones who revere me are needed.  So, the Beast of Human Sacrifice. First thing to know about this guy is...  He’s a loving cheater who can reflect Physical.   Ryuji realizes his usefulness here is thus negligible and helpfully switches himself out for Ann. We won’t get a ton out of her damage skills due to all the outgoing damage here, but another friendly face with Diarahan is nice.  He can also reflect Gun! How bullshit! We won’t switch out Haru for Morgana, though. Psiodyne is still plenty useful, and we can get some serious mileage out of Tetrakarn.  This is the Beast’s basic attack. It hits like a truck, and a buffed attack might do double that! Suffice it to say, keeping Marakukaja/Masukukaja up at all times can be a rather wise strategy, and not just for the buffs themselves. It can force Shido to spend a turn on Dekaja to dispel them. This is also why Tetrakarn is so good; he’ll have to use Tetra Break to get rid of it. Unfortunately, none of those really get us closer to our goal of “getting out of this as fast as possible.”  He also gets two turns, which he uses here on Tarukaja.  However, we witness this good omen every time we heal Haru to full. Nice, we got this.  Sometimes, he’ll debuff the party’s Agility. I don’t think this affects their hit rate, because I’ve never actually seen anyone miss this boss before, but it does affect their dodge rate. Which is important, because...     He uses a super attack the next turn.  Okay, this part is actually really hosed up and is responsible for the only death I’ve ever suffered to any part of this boss, totally unavoidably.  See, he can inflict party-wide Rage, the status effect that makes you… attack mindlessly… and reduces your defense. Also, Maaku automatically attacks before anyone else gets a turn during boss fights. See the problem here?   Whoopsidoodle! (So yeah, he attacked himself and died, RIP) Thankfully, Makoto still knows Energy Shower and Haru Amrita Shower, so we have multiple options for dealing with this.  He can, infuriatingly, use Makarakarn to put up a Magic wall and make himself immune to everything until you manually break the shield.  The Beast charges up…  ...Yeah, we might wanna guard for this one.    Ouch.   It’s about here that I come to the conclusion that Ann’s single-target healing ain’t cutting it, so we switch her out for Morgana.  Finally, we deplete about a third of the Beast’s HP.  I hope you understand what it means to turn your back on me! I don’t wanna understand! ...Then you shall perish! You shall regret these foolish actions against me… in the afterlife!      I will destroy you!  And now, the Wings of Human Sacrifice.  This time, the boss resists all Magic types and is instead vulnerable to Physical and Gun.  So let’s switch Ryuji back in.   The boss will now spend its turns casting single-target -dyne magic spells in order. That order would be: Agidyne, Bufudyne, Ziodyne, Garudyne, Psiodyne, Freidyne, Kougaon, Eigaon. He will then repeat. Any extra turns he gets will be used to cast the next in the sequence, probably on whoever is weak to it. I also believe he has increased chance of inflicting Burn/Freeze/Shock, because of course he does.   I believe I mentioned loving forever ago that the only way to get appreciable damage out of a gun is to literally unload the entire clip. Well, that’s still true. But it’s a lot of loving damage.  What happens when the Wings get to the end of the sequence? Well...    Another super attack. Of course. As you can see, this one can inflict Dizzy. I’m still not sure if you can actually miss this boss, so it might just be to set up Technical attacks.  I’m also realizing that Haru’s grenade launcher, even with only one shot, is a loving beast. Imagine what damage we’d be doing with Matarukaja (In fact, one of the reasons I had to rerecord this fight is because on one of my takes I skipped through this phase too quickly due to Matarukaja’d gun volleys).  Why won’t you stop resisting…!? The nation I strive for… is the ultimate realization of the public’s happiness!    Uhhhhhh    And now, the Tomb of Human Sacrifice. This phase is honestly dirt-simple. It has no resistances whatsoever, only gets one turn, and while it still hits hard you can breeze through it comparatively.   Honestly, it might do the most pure damage in this form. Still, nothing worth crying home about.   Be careful! This is a standard charge-up maneuver, the enemy even gives you two turns to prepare.           And the Beast, the Wings, and the Tomb are all down for the count. Eat that, society.  Music: Desire   Once you’re losin’, you’re puttin’ all the blame on the masses, huh!? (to Joker) So, you’re the one unifying them… A touching reunion, isn’t it?  The next time you crush a foe, I suggest you do it in a more certain manner.Uhh, we’re really just gonna tell him who I am? I mean, okay. I guess.  Not that there’ll be a next time for you! Hm?  ...You’re more than just a member of the Phantom Thieves, aren’t you?     You took him to court and yet you don’t remember…? You truly don’t care about the fate of others.        Haha… What an interesting turn of fate.  What!? Small sacrifices are inescapable for those wishing to be powerful, competent leaders. How would you ever reach your destination if you stopped to count every ant you crushed on the road?  Are you saying that the people you killed deserved to die!?Not quite, Haru. He’s just saying he doesn’t give a poo poo that they’re dead. A subtle, but crucial difference. He’s totally insane… I wouldn’t expect the ignorant masses of this country to understand.   Music: Rivers in the Desert (Holy loving poo poo, listen to this)  Boss: Masayoshi Samael Shido (I’d also recommend you watch this, as good as the song is it’s even better in context)   I will crush any who stand in my way! What is this power!? Careful! Those muscles aren’t just for show! Hmm, I seem to have gotten the music wrong. Try this. (I swear that’s the only MGR joke I’m going to make, and you’re welcome)  Anyway, Masayoshi “Samael” Shido. The actual demon of the sin of pride is Lucifer, but let’s not waste Lucifer on Shido of all people. Samael is an archangel in Talmudic lore. This Wikipedia page I’m reading says he’s regarded as both good and evil, which, lol. He’s the angel of death in Judaism, and is given the title of “Satan.” What does this have to do with Shido?  Pretty much nothing, except for his ability to gently caress you up.  Oh, also, his main attack Tyrant’s Fist can inflict Fear! We’re gonna want to bring more than a few Relax Gels, even with Makoto and Haru here. Like the Tomb, he only gets one turn though.   He can use Heat Riser to increase all three of his parameters, which we’re going to want to Dekaja away pretty much immediately.   He’s got Megidola for that Almighty damage.  He can use Evil Touch to directly inflict Fear.  Like most bosses, he can Dekaja away your buffs.     His big new attack is just Deathbound. Big whoop. Anyway, we reduce the rest of his health pretty easily from there.  How are these lowlife brats beating me…? Now’s our chance! Let’s take his Treasure!   The power held by the most elite is what rules over our society… It’s vexing that I have to use this on some foolish brats…    Did you hear that, Shido!?   Oh boy  That FACE    Now we’re fighting True Masayoshi Samael Shido. Quite the mouthful.  This one also has… quite a bit more health than his last form!  He can still use Tyrant’s Fist, naturally.  But also he gets two turns now! He’ll cycle through the Ma-variants of the -dyne skills he used as the Wings of Human Sacrifice, in the same order. It’s pretty rough.  He can also increase his crit rate with Rebellion!  We are, once again, going to be switching Ryuji in and out to take advantage of Morgana’s multi-target healing.   Ha, his name’s so long the text can’t fit in the drat box.  This misses, but it’s still bullshit. Bosses shouldn’t be able to instantly kill you unless you really hosed up.   You will regret your actions. ...You’ve angered me for the last time.  What’s this?  Oh, nothing important. He just gave himself two more turns.   He really wants this next attack to hit. And you know what? I can’t blame him.     Yikes.  At this point, he’ll switch to using the strongest single-target magic attacks in the game: Inferno (Severe Fire), Diamond Dust (Severe Ice), Thunder Reign (Severe Electricity), Panta Rhei (Severe Wind), Psycho Force (Severe Psy), and Atomic Flare (Severe Nuke). These can, of course, inflict ailments, so watch out. He can also use Hamaon and Mudoon to try to instant-kill a party member.   ...I will destroy you with my own two hands.  This time, he buffs his Attack. He still debuffs the party’s Agility, though.  Fuckin ouch.  Now that True Samael is critical, he assumes this pose, which is very silly and really just reminds me of that scene from Community where Abed pretends to be a vampire. So, uh… funny story about what happens here. I switched to Byakko to take advantage of its Dekunda to get rid of the Agility debuff on the party, since I needed Makoto’s turn to heal Haru. Byakko, as it turns out, knows Counterstrike, an old skill Yusuke had that gives a 15% chance of reflecting Physical attacks. This was also my fourth take of this fight, and as mentioned previously, the prior attempt had ended when an enraged Maaku attacked the Beast of Human Sacrifice and killed himself due to the repel effect.    So all things considered, it was pretty goddamn hilarious when this happened.    Oh god, don’t get back up    Oh, well that ends that. Take that, Keith Silverstein (for the purposes of this joke it may behoove you to know that Shido is voiced by Keith Silverstein) (also I like Keith Silverstein as a VA a lot, don’t hate me Keith)! Arist fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Finally, the absolute best song of the game. 
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 Played college ball, you know. At some cushy Ivy League school! Try University of Texas! Could of gone pro if I didn't join the JSDF. I'm not one of those Diet pansies. I could break the Emperor in two...WITH MY BARE HANDS!
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Funky Valentine posted:
Tokyo University probably would've worked better here. And of course, DON'T gently caress WITH THIS PRIME MINISTER! Rivers in the Desert best song, but of course, everyone already knew that.
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I foresee a slew of Armstrong jokes despite Arists brave attempt to calm the tide. This boss was great though. But I kinda killed him before I could even see his Inferno etc spam. I was a smidgen overleveled maybe.
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for all my griping about Shido's character i do like that he's so wholly and foully corrupt that the ultimate form of his Shadow is just Shido himself but swole
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quote:Music: Rivers in the Desert (Holy loving poo poo, listen to this) wtf I love Shido now Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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Senator Armstrong has got to be a massive inspiration for Shadow Shido. The moment of terror when the rear end in a top hat tries to stand up again is fantastic, they really sell his fight well. E: Hobgoblin2099 posted:Nanomachines, son.  NanoPersonas, son If we're going to make Armstrong jokes we should at least do it right.
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Alright, I edited it.  Also, this also happened in Revengeance! In a manner of speaking.
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I love everything about this fight. Rivers in the Desert is an amazing soundtrack and it gives this fight the sense of style that when combined with the length of the boss fight hammers in the fact that this is what you have been building up to all game.
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Shido still kinda sucks but goddamn if Rivers in the Desert might not be Meguro's greatest battle themeHobgoblin2099 posted:wtf I love Shido now
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WHEN THE HOPE OF NEW BEGINNINGS BURNED OUR FEET
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It's kind of fine for Shido to be a piece of poo poo who lucked into the power he's got and thinks that makes him superior to others. In fact, that would even fit! The problem is more that they try to push 'he's a cunning mastermind who's been behind everything' rather than 'stupid rear end in a top hat is lucky Akechi's issues made him do precisely what he did instead of just mind-loving him'. The boss fight with the entrenched forces of a corrupt right wing rear end in a top hat elitist is a great climax for things, though.
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It can't be understated how hype this battle is the first time you play through it. Particularly once you hit the second phase and Rivers starts blasting. I love that the song is never used at any point in the game until now.
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Night10194 posted:It's kind of fine for Shido to be a piece of poo poo who lucked into the power he's got and thinks that makes him superior to others. In fact, that would even fit! The problem is more that they try to push 'he's a cunning mastermind who's been behind everything' rather than 'stupid rear end in a top hat is lucky Akechi's issues made him do precisely what he did instead of just mind-loving him'. the boss fight reflects that too, since it portrays his final and most powerful form as an unhindered ubermensch divorced from the will of the people his character isn't nearly well-written enough to sell what the game wants him to be
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I think I've made my peace with how lackadaisical the writing is, it's time to surrender to the spectacle and get swept along.
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kw0134 posted:I think I've made my peace with how lackadaisical the writing is, it's time to surrender to the spectacle and get swept along. Probably a good idea, the writing is not gonna get better. The music also won’t get better but that’s because there’s nowhere to go but down after Rivers in the Desert.
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Yea it can't understated just how loving cool this boss fight is. It has everything going for it.The music kicks rear end and Shido has 5 loving Phases!! Like holy poo poo it's th best part of the game in my opinion. This is peak Persona 5.
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Terper posted:WHEN THE HOPE OF NEW BEGINNINGS BURNED OUR FEET A RIVER IN A DRY LAND
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GhostStalker posted:A RIVER IN A DRY LAND THE LAST ACE IN A LOST HAND
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:THE LAST ACE IN A LOST HAND WHEN THE HOPE OF NEW BE-GIN-NINGS BURNS OUR FEEEET NOW WE NEED IT
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I'm a sucker for instrumental versions of songs switching to have lyrics as the fight moves into its later phases. That is yet another MGR connection!
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Oxxidation posted:WHEN THE HOPE A HEART BEAT FOR A DEMON
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I'm gonna be that guy: It's actually "A heartbeat for a tin man" But yeah, the song is incredible and the boss fight is maybe the high point of the whole game.
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The week after this game came out my boyfriend was absolutely sick of me belting out Rivers in the Desert in the car.
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gmq posted:
This is really good poo poo. loving Seto Kaiba out of nowhere really got me Wow, holy poo poo that was an endurance test alright. Five phases is kinda nuts, IMO but I'm not super familiar with Persona so as far as I remember that hasn't been done before, like ever. Also it's nice to actually have context to Rivers in the Desert.
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The final boss of Persona 3 technically had thirteen phases (though most of them were pretty short).
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Arist posted:The final boss of Persona 3 technically had thirteen phases (though most of them were pretty short). Is that so? I remember the moon shadows and the big important named boss people but I can't say I can do the same for however many phases they have. Well, at least there's a precedent. Thanks for the heads up on it!
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Persona 3's Final Boss takes much longer for a whole different reason (Its final phase has more health than the previous 12 combined I think)
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Also the boss of Persona 3 was really pathetically easy. If you don't grind, Shido can be really difficult. However because it's such a cool boss and the music is so sick, I wish the fight was even longer. MarquiseMindfang posted:The week after this game came out my boyfriend was absolutely sick of me belting out Rivers in the Desert in the car. 
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I never saw that coming.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Also the boss of Persona 3 was really pathetically easy. If you don't grind, Shido can be really difficult.
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DeafNote posted:Persona 3's Final Boss takes much longer for a whole different reason Not that bad, the final form has 4x as much health as one of the previous ones. The kicker is that when it has 5% health left there's a possibility that it will inflict charm on your party, and if that happens it will probably then cast Diarahan on itself and start the phase over again. And then possibly do it again after you get it back to that point.
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gmq posted:
The picture of AU!Futaba with AU!Yukari is great.
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It's odd that there isn't some in-battle thieving action, but I suppose swapping your party members around as the wheel of elemental pain rotates and different weaknesses opens up covers that kind of strategy.
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