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Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Mzbundifund posted:

Lucky Punch is, no joke, the best physical skill in the game.

It is a very useful ability but it is still no match for a certain tower persona and their unique skill.

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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


RedMagus posted:

Please tell me this is the last chapter with skeevy and "seriously wtf is wrong with you game" moments. It's getting pretty bad with Ann having a panic attack here.

Also, how do you feel about the artificial palace limitations? I don't feel that they add anything to the story pacing, but I'm not the one playing it, and I'd be ok with the ability to blitz through a palace if I'm playing good/strong enough.

So, the next update should contain the last of this bit of skeeviness. Unfortunately, there's another regrettable element of this game that pops up, but when it does appear it's mercifully short.

The Palace limitations are annoying from a gameplay perspective, because now it suddenly takes five days minimum instead of three, but it's kind of interesting from a narrative sense. It's kind of a waste that it only appears a few times, honestly.

Arist fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 11, 2017

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.
You would actually be incorrect about treasure demons resisting everything.

Each one has one element it doesn't resist. Most of the early ones are actually weak to it, while later ones just lack the resist and take heightened damage from it. Those ones do indeed require a crit. But most is just throwing elements at it till one works. (Or looking it up)

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

Rainuwastaken posted:

Lucky Punch is absolutely bananas and got me so many shadow negotiations without even trying for elements. Once I realized how ridiculous it was, Morgana became my best friend for the whole game.
Yeah, for those who haven't played, the critical rate of Lucky Punch is loving ludicrous. In a late-game area I once had Morgana using it every time his turn came around and he achieved a streak of 14 criticals in a row.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

I must be the odd one out because I've never gotten a Lucky Punch crit. :shrug:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
"Strip for him, Ann."

That seems exceptionally callous of an option.

tom bob-ombadil
Jan 1, 2012

Drakenel posted:

You would actually be incorrect about treasure demons resisting everything.

Each one has one element it doesn't resist. Most of the early ones are actually weak to it, while later ones just lack the resist and take heightened damage from it. Those ones do indeed require a crit. But most is just throwing elements at it till one works. (Or looking it up)

I believe the one Arist just fought is weak to Nuclear and Psy. I used a Shiisa to take it down.

Blastinus
Feb 28, 2010

Time to try my luck
:rolldice:
Crap.
Treasure demons are a lot easier in this game because of their passivity. No getting a nigh-guaranteed crit and using the extra turn to run away. Also, they don't dodge attacks, or if they can, their evasion isn't high. Very good changes.

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

GeneX posted:

This, not making you get some sleep because the developers now hate internal narration, is why I dislike Morgana: it's where his infatuation with Ann crosses the line from annoying but fine to outright awful. It frames all his other stuff in a much less innocent light.

When you're deliberately tricking the object of your obsession into stripping for you, your crush isn't innocent.

Reminder he first fell in love with Ann when he saw Kamoshida's cognition of her, where she was literally nothing but a sex object. And only then because she was wearing cat ears.

ManlyGrunting
May 29, 2014

RedMagus posted:

Please tell me this is the last chapter with skeevy and "seriously wtf is wrong with you game" moments. It's getting pretty bad with Ann having a panic attack here.

Also, how do you feel about the artificial palace limitations? I don't feel that they add anything to the story pacing, but I'm not the one playing it, and I'd be ok with the ability to blitz through a palace if I'm playing good/strong enough.

I'm traipsing through the 5th palace right now and nothing really comes to mind. This chapter has some weird pacing too so this is all drawn out way too goddamn long.

I think the next palace is the only one you can't do in one go. and even then the first bit is so small it's basically a cutscene.

e: oh wait there's an unbelievably awful thing that pops up a few times, I must have blocked it from my mind

ManlyGrunting fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jul 11, 2017

fucking love Fiona Apple
Jun 19, 2013

samus comfy so what

ChaosArgate posted:

I must be the odd one out because I've never gotten a Lucky Punch crit. :shrug:

Same it almost never worked for me.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Kay Kessler posted:

Reminder he first fell in love with Ann when he saw Kamoshida's cognition of her, where she was literally nothing but a sex object. And only then because she was wearing cat ears.

Well that explains why Arist was mentioning the crush made him uncomfortable.

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.

ChaosArgate posted:

I must be the odd one out because I've never gotten a Lucky Punch crit. :shrug:

14 in a row sounds absurd to me, but I had about a one-on-three success rate on it. I basically stopped experimenting with elements on new shadows once I got Joker a copy, since it was much faster to just crit a new shadow, talk it onto my team, and find out all of its resists that way.

MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".

Rainuwastaken posted:

14 in a row sounds absurd to me, but I had about a one-on-three success rate on it. I basically stopped experimenting with elements on new shadows once I got Joker a copy, since it was much faster to just crit a new shadow, talk it onto my team, and find out all of its resists that way.

Apt Pupil from Andras + Lucky Punch is pretty absurd, yeah.


One thing I've always been wondering about is whether resisting physical affects the critical rate of an attack.
I feel like it does, but all I have is anecdotal evidence so :shrug:
Anyone have ingame data to back it up?

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
I forgot that line from Morgana
that does cross the line out of innocent crush territory yeah

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Oh, God, this loving section. :cripes:

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
Much like literally everything having to do with Hanako and Kashiwagi in P4, I chalked this section up to the writers having a questionable sense of humor and moved on.

Montegoraon
Aug 22, 2013
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Somebody fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jul 12, 2017

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

GeneX posted:

This, not making you get some sleep because the developers now hate internal narration, is why I dislike Morgana: it's where his infatuation with Ann crosses the line from annoying but fine to outright awful. It frames all his other stuff in a much less innocent light.

When you're deliberately tricking the object of your obsession into stripping for you, your crush isn't innocent.

I always saw it as less of a 'totally perving on Ann' and more of a 'feelings on Ann aside, the only objective way to do this is for Ann to accept Yusuke's request'. Like if they had more lines with Morgana/Ryuji going 'this isn't cool but it's the only way' instead of just Ann finally deciding it's worth it, it'd seem less bad.

It might be because this infilitration is right after Kamoshida. I mean it's not like this whole sequence of events would look less bad if Yusuke was trying to get Ryuji to pose nude.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

ApplesandOranges posted:

I always saw it as less of a 'totally perving on Ann' and more of a 'feelings on Ann aside, the only objective way to do this is for Ann to accept Yusuke's request'. Like if they had more lines with Morgana/Ryuji going 'this isn't cool but it's the only way' instead of just Ann finally deciding it's worth it, it'd seem less bad.

It might be because this infilitration is right after Kamoshida. I mean it's not like this whole sequence of events would look less bad if Yusuke was trying to get Ryuji to pose nude.

Yes, if the characters said different things than they did and acted in ways that they didn't, things would be different.

Unfortunately, that's not what happened, and trying to justify what did is a fool's errand.

Gruckles
Mar 11, 2013

GeneX posted:

This, not making you get some sleep because the developers now hate internal narration, is why I dislike Morgana: it's where his infatuation with Ann crosses the line from annoying but fine to outright awful. It frames all his other stuff in a much less innocent light.

When you're deliberately tricking the object of your obsession into stripping for you, your crush isn't innocent.

What. How is Morgana tricking Ann there?

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Gruckles posted:

What. How is Morgana tricking Ann there?

From the exact same update, Morgana agreeing with Ryuji to try to convince Ann:

Ryuji: We're not sayin' you should really get naked.
Morgana: It’s simply the best excuse for you to enter Madarame’s house without raising suspicions… So, we’d like for you to play the role of decoy, Lady Ann.

Later, to the protagonist:

Morgana: A Palace is a reflection of how its owner views the real world. So if Madarame’s cognition of reality changes, it’s only natural that his Palace would be affected. And all jokes aside, we really will need Lady Ann to strip for Yusuke. It’s the only way.

"Ann won't actually have to strip" becomes "well actually Ann will, but I'm telling that to the protagonist, not Ann."

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Honestly it's just a clumsy line that fails to acknowledge that her stripping is only a pretense.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

ApplesandOranges posted:

I always saw it as less of a 'totally perving on Ann' and more of a 'feelings on Ann aside, the only objective way to do this is for Ann to accept Yusuke's request'.

Another factor to consider is that he's not even going to be in the same room with Ann and Yusuke to see anything, because he's going to be trying to open the lock on that door. So I'm really not understanding how that line could be interpreted as him suddenly being on board with the plan because it means he might get to see his crush get naked.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Arist posted:

Honestly it's just a clumsy line that fails to acknowledge that her stripping is only a pretense.

Awkward localization? In Persona 5?

Heaven forfend!

oath2order
Oct 12, 2013

It's MAGIC. I don't have to explain shit!


God let us move on from this terrible terrible plot point.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
I will admit the line might have been awkwardly translated

thankfully this hanging dagger should go away soon

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



DeafNote posted:

I will admit the line might have been awkwardly translated

thankfully this hanging dagger should go away soon

Good. The sooner I can stop feeling guilty for murdering Banquo, the better.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Part 32: 5/20: Mission: Imbeciles



Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)




I thought you liked that place ‘cause the pay was good. What happened?
Sure, the pay’s fine, but I’m the only one there at night. That job magazine said it was a “fun, friendly workplace.” *sigh* Maybe I should just quit...
Like he says, work can be pretty trying… But it’s a worthwhile experience. Don’t give up.

What would you know about work, cat? You spend 80% of your time in that bag.



How’d you do?
drat… I’m dead...
I can’t believe it… I at least wanted to hit the average...
I wonder what score I got… It might be faster if I counted from the bottom up....
Hm… Nothing notable.

Welp, we sucked. All right answers and still that Rank 1 Knowledge was enough to drag us down to below the average. We’re dumb-dumbs, sadly.

Music: Tokyo Daylight




Ryuji, we’re kinda busy right now with Madarame, maybe this could wait?

Apparently he’s been hanging out at a monjayaki shop a lot. I heard he gets real drunk there and brags to his coworkers.



Right! That’s where you come in. He knows me, so I ain’t gonna be able to get anywhere near him… But that ain’t the case for you! I bet you could even sit next to his booth if you wanted! Prolly. Soooo… I’ll let you know once I figure out when he’s going drinking. Til then, we’re gonna put a hold on our training. Well, I’ll be counting on you!

Well, looks like Maaku’s gonna be going after Yamauchi soon.

Music: Tokyo Emergency



Me and Maaku’re banned from goin’ there, so all we can do is wait here...
No, you two have something different you’ll need to do.
Whaddya mean…?
You have to wait inside the Palace. Once that door opens, sneak in and look for some kind of control room. We need to make sure the door can’t close anymore after it’s open.
Ohhh, I get it. Mkay, you can leave that to us!

Music: Wicked Plan



I’m sorry it was so sudden.
Oh, it’s not a problem. But as I told you yesterday, Sensei will be returning in about twenty or thirty minutes. So um… I’m sorry if that causes some anxiety on your part.
(whispering) That’s why I’m here today, dammit.
What was that?
Oh no, it was nothing!
By the way… Have you gained some weight?



As uncomfortable as everything surrounding it is, this is a really solid joke, and it’s accompanied by an amazing music sting.

Music: Everyday Days

You think so? I weigh the same as always… Maybe I’m bloated today?
So, then… can you, um… get ready here?
I… need to take my clothes off, right?
Y-Yes please...
I’m embarrassed. Could you look the other way…?



Clothes continually land on the floor near Yusuke.

...Oh!
Phew, that was tight...
Tight…? No, I’m doing this for art…!
Don’t look over here, OK…? Hey, your sensei’s coming back soon, right?
I believe so...
Hm… Do you think we could do this somewhere else then? A little more atmosphere would be lovely...
This should be good enough...
But wouldn’t a room with a lock be a bit better?
A lock…?
Must a girl say more…?



More clothes land near Yusuke.

Wha!? But the only one with a lock is… Sensei’s room…
Then why not there?
I can’t intrude… Besides, I don’t have the key...
(whispering) He says he doesn’t have the key.



I’ll just use this hairpin...
Takamaki-san, are you about--



Yet another dumb music sting accompanies this reveal. And don’t think I don’t see you, Morgana, peeking behind that door. Get to work, cat!

Music: My Homie

You were wearing all this?



I suppose so? The sun is starting to set...
Riiight? That’s why a change of location would be nice… I mean, I’m gonna take it all off.
True… (to himself) It might make for a better picture if I can brighten my model’s mood...
Uh-huh! That’s right!
She may even be willing to try out various expressive poses for use in a dynamic composition...






Ohhh… It’s sooo hot.
W-We really can’t use any other room...



Ann’s jacket lands on the ground.

Hey, why not this one?



Music: Disquiet

I’m counting on you, Mona…!



She was sayin’ stuff like “I’ll just seduce him with my acting,” but that sounds outta her league… Plus we ain’t got one sign this place is gonna open… Isn’t Madarame comin’ home soon? On top of that, even if Mona’s able to unlock the door, how’s he gonna show it to Madarame? And then even if they do show it open, any normal person’d just close it right up again. Doesn’t that mean we only got a few seconds to get in? To be blunt, won’t it be a miracle if this works?

Don’t be such a downer, Ryuji.



I wanna think that too, but… ...It’s almost time.

Music: Tension



What’s past here?
That’s...
So the door Mona mentioned is up ahead...







It’s a storage area for old paintings.
Storage...



I won’t be embarrassed if we go somewhere nobody can find us...
Only Sensei can go in there.
Pleeease…? I wanna be alone with you. Somewhere like, quiet. You know, where we won’t get interrupted.



Ann’s acting straight-up sucks. It actually crosses the line into annoying so hard it comes back around and is funny again.



Hm?



Kitagawa-kun, do you not like girls like me…?
N-No, that’s not true...



Please? We can continue this… inside...
S-Sure...



It’s locked anyway, so...



But...



What do I do…?





Music: High Pressure

Yusuke?










Ann grabs Yusuke and pulls him inside, which is kind of a genius move to keep Madarame from shutting the door.




Hm!?




Music: A Woman

They seriously did it!



Yeah, for real!




But it’s just gonna be me and you for a bit if we run into any enemies. You good…?



Yeah, I’ll be countin’ on you!

Music: High Pressure



Up ahead, we see more security.



Hey, whaddya wanna do?



Yeah… The real problem’s the fact that we gotta handle this with just the two of us… Anyways, I’ll leave the timing up to you, dude.



Hm!? Who are you!? I see, that attire… You must be the thieves who dare threaten Lord Madarame!



Boss: Security Shadow

Music: Keeper of Lust



...You cannot go any further! You are trespassing on Lord Madarame’s territory!
You guys ain’t got nothin’ on us! I’m more scared of screwin’ up and havin’ Ann yell at me!



Nue here primarily attacks with melee and Skull Cracker. We take him down pretty quick, even just with the two of us.



From this fight, Ryuji levels up and gains Adverse Resolve, which is a very, very situational skill that increases his Critical rate when surrounded. It’s honestly not that great, especially because you want to avoid those situations whenever possible.



It’d be a pain in the rear end if we got spotted again. Anyways, let’s turn off that security system!



Are these the lights…?

Music: Desire



What the…!?
Isn’t this… “Sayuri”? Why are there so many of them…?
I have no idea...




I suppose I can’t keep quiet now that you’ve seen this… Truth be told… I’m in severe debt. I handmade these “Sayuri” copies and have been selling them through a special connection of mine...
But why…?
The real “Sayuri”… was stolen by one of my pupils long ago. I assume they begrudged my strictness… That moment was quite a shock for me… Since then, I’ve been mired in a terrible artist’s block… Because of this distress, some of my pupils handed their ideas over to me from time to time...



I knew I couldn’t keep that up, so I attempted to recreate the “Sayuri” a number of times. However, it resulted in nothing more than replicas… That’s when someone came to buy the paintings, knowing well they weren’t original… ...It’s all my fault. I couldn’t pay the price of being famous. As expectations for me rose, it reached a point where I had no choice but to keep making them… I… needed money to further your talents… I ask that you please forgive your cowardly teacher…

This is, uh...



Hold on… Something doesn’t add up.



...complete horseshit, that’s the phrase I was looking for.

I… happened to find a finely detailed photograph of it in an artbook.
So you managed to sell copies of a photo of the original? I’m not sure how this works, but… Don’t people who buy paintings generally have a keen eye for the fine arts? This sounds like a lie to me.



Something just doesn’t feel right!



This one seems different!





This… This is the real “Sayuri”! But you just said a moment ago that it was stolen…!



What’s wrong with your faaaaaaaaaaace

No, it’s nothing of the sort! This painting kept me going… It’s the reason I made it this far… Sensei… Don’t tell me...
It’s fake… Yes, a counterfeit! I heard there was a counterfeit spreading around, so I bought it!
So you’re telling me the actual artist behind the painting bought a counterfeit? That’s pushing it.
You’re lying, Sensei...



You too…?



I’ve reported you to my private security company!

Wait what



I had it set up to deal with some problematic paparazzi, but I never thought it’d come in so handy.



You can talk all you want to the police… That includes you, Yusuke.





There’s no point! They’ll be here within two minutes!



Well, gently caress. Out of the frying pan and into the fire, it seems.

Music: High Pressure




So… which one’s for the security?



Sweet! Now the lasers in the courtyard should be off for good. Well, that’s mission complete! C’mon, let’s get outta here!



Crap…! Let’s make a run for it!



Let’s get back and meet up with the others!

Music: A Woman





Ann and Yusuke fall out of nowhere.



Yusuke miraculously lands on his feet with Ann in his arms.




Morgana bounces off Yusuke’s head with a solid thunk.



I thought I was gonna die...




Ann shoves Yusuke off of her.




Music: Disquiet



Calm down, Kitagawa-kun! It’s me!
...Takamaki-san? That means you two are… I don’t recall ever seeing this cat costume before though… What is this place…?
We’re inside Madarame’s heart.



Inside… Sensei’s heart?



She ain’t lyin’. This is what that bastard truly feels. He’s nothin’ but a greed-filled money-grubber.



Kitagawa-kun! Didn’t it cross your mind that something wasn’t right about Madarame!?
That’s...
You may not want to believe it, but this is another reality as viewed through Madarame’s eyes. ...This is his true nature.
This repulsive world…? Just who are all of you!?
I guess you could say… we’re a group that changes the hearts of rotten crooks.
If everything you say is true, then the sensei I know doesn’t exist…
You gotta snap out of it.
Still… he has kept me safe these past ten years. My gratitude for that won’t just disappear.




Yusuke collapses to his knees.

Are you OK?




The security level’s gone through the roof! We need to get out of here, at once!
*pant* *pant*



...No, it’s all right.

Music: A Woman



That said, we have an amateur with us now. Let’s try to avoid fighting as much as possible!

This is made much easier by the fact that all enemies in the Palace have miraculously disappeared.

Music: Regret



A vain museum such as this…?



Do you recognize it? We were thinking these might be his past pupils or something...
But… why are there paintings of them here…?
Technically, those aren’t actually paintings. They’re the pupils themselves.
Madarame saw ‘em as objects, so that’s what they are in here… Oh, and uh… we found yours too.
…...
We’ll talk more later. For now, let’s get out of here.



We’re now automatically warped back to near the entrance.



But we’re not leaving anytime soon.

The exit is right there!



Music: Desire



Who is it!? ...What the--



Welcome to the museum of the master artist Madarame…
Huh…? Sensei? Is that you? That attire…
Disgusting.
This… This is all one big lie, isn’t it…?



Besides, a famous person living in that shack? I have another home… under a mistress’s name, of course.



Hmph. Such insincerity.
If the “Sayuri” was stolen, why was it in the storage room? And if you had the real one, why make copies!?



Foolish child. You still don’t see?



What do you mean…!?
Let me see… How does this sound? “I found the real painting, but it can’t go public… You can have it for a special price, though...”

That seems like a really stupid plan that any idiot would see through, but whatever.

Haha! How’s that for preferential treatment!? Art snobs’ll eat it up, and pay good cash at that!
No…!

Yusuke collapses to his knees.



Though I doubt a brat like you would ever come up with such a brilliant scheme!
You keep goin’ on and on about money this, money that… No wonder you ended up with this disgusting museum!
You’re supposed to be an artist, right!? Aren’t you ashamed of plagiarizing other people’s work!?
Art is nothing but a tool… A tool to gain money and fame! You helped me greatly as well, Yusuke...
God… Pisses me off… That’s your teacher.



...I’ll tell you this alone, Yusuke. If you wish to succeed in this world, I’d advise you don’t rise against me. Do you believe anyone could find success with my objection holding them down? Hahahahaha!
To think I was under the care of this wretched man…!
You thought I took you in out of the goodness in my heart? Plucking talented, yet troubled artists allows me to find promising pupils and take their ideas… After all, it’s much easier to steal the futures of children who can’t fight back.

Man, gently caress this guy.

I can’t believe this...



...But I tire of this little chat. It’s time that I...



Hm?



So… you repay my keeping you around for all these years with ingratitude…? You drat brat! Men! Dispose of these thieves!
Get back!
How amusing...
Huh?
*chuckling* It seems the truth is stranger than fiction, hm…?
Kitagawa-kun!?
I wanted to believe it wasn’t true… I had clouded my vision for so long...

Music: Awakening



Yusuke’s Awakening (Watch this)





A deplorable imitation indeed… Best you part from that aspect of yourself!










JOSUKE

Music: Will Power



Imitations they may be, but together, they make a fine spectacle...




Hmph… Who do you think you are!? The price for your insolence will be death! Where are my guards!? Kill them all!



The children who adored you as “father”… The prospects of your pupils… How many did you trample upon…? How many dreams did you exchange for riches!?




Very well! Bring it on!



Oh man, that devilish grin, you might be alright after all Yusuke.

Not in battle though, sadly. Yusuke’s probably the worst party member in battle by a fairly wide margin. He’s got a few interesting gimmicks that don’t really amount to much, but his main problem is that as a physical damage dealer he will always be outclassed by Ryuji. He’s got ice too, and a larger SP pool, and some useful buffs, though, so that’s not nothing. So I'm apparently super wrong and his Physical stat is actually better than Ryuji's! However, his gimmick within that niche is worse and his accompanying buff is slightly less generally useful, so we'll bring Ryuji most of the time anyway.

Yusuke is voiced by Matthew Mercer, known by some as “the guy who sounds like Troy Baker” but that’s not fair at all because he’s so much more than that, I love him so much even if Yusuke isn’t one of his meatier roles (but his Goemon voice, holy poo poo). He’s also voiced in Japanese by Tomokazu Sugita playing waaaaay against type.



From the Megami Tensei Wiki:

“Ishikawa Goemon was a Japanese outlaw. The historical Goemon is only mentioned in two sources, both of which were created after his death. The first one, the Toyotomi Hideyoshi fu, details his attempted assassination of the shogun Hideyoshi Toyotomi, his capture, and his execution alongside his young son in 1594. Goemon's death by being boiled alive was also described in a second historical source by Pedro de Morejon who transcribed his name as "Ixicava Goyemon". As time passed, Goemon's story was expanded to make him a hero similiar to Robin Hood, robbing the rich and giving his spoils to the poor. Stories from the 19th and the 20th century also make him out be a skilled ninja. Goemon and his infamous death eventually became the subject of various Bunraku and Kabuki plays. The legend was also adapted into movies, anime shows and video games, the most popular of which is the Ganbare Goemon series by Konami.” 

So, he was a real dude who was posthumously made out to be a Robin Hood-type. Sounds like a good fit for our band of outlaws.

Arist fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Aug 17, 2019

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
A lot of people compare Yusuke's in-battle performance to Chie (mostly because Ryuji is basically Kanji 2.0), but that's not strictly accurate. Yusuke is far more akin to Junpei than anything - assorted physical skills, High Counter, a buff and a little magic, but without Charge and stuck with some fairly hard-hitting but situational skills.

ManlyGrunting
May 29, 2014
Huh, I found Yusuke to be one of the best party members myself: he shits damage (I find he does equal or close enough to Ryuji) and he's fast as hell. Maybe because I keep seeming to find free and sizeable upgrades to his weapon in Mementos?

There really aren't any bad party members, just preferred ones (Morgana is probably my least favourite because he can't take a punch to save his life, but I still appreciate the healing, how cheap Garu spells are and Miracle punch)

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Finally, the game is getting good again. :toot: I appreciate that there's not a lot of time wasted between "discovers Madarame's poo poo" and "becomes a persona user", because they really could have dragged that out if they wanted to. It feels like a very sudden change of character, but it makes sense under the context of him knowing for a long time but trying to be willfully ignorant of the truth. Finding the real Sayuri was just what finally blew the lid off of it.

ApplesandOranges posted:

A lot of people compare Yusuke's in-battle performance to Chie (mostly because Ryuji is basically Kanji 2.0), but that's not strictly accurate. Yusuke is far more akin to Junpei than anything - assorted physical skills, High Counter, a buff and a little magic, but without Charge and stuck with some fairly hard-hitting but situational skills.
At first, I wanted to compare him to Yosuke, but without the healing, but there's a much better Yosuke analogue coming up who I will not talk about any further for risk of any spoilers.

Also, I love that Goemon's pipe has an axe head on the end of it. :kamina:

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.
Yusuke was a real shitwrecker in my playthrough, though that might be more because I immediately benched Ryuji.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
For what it's worth, I found a Yusuke to be a very good "sweeper" (I.E. I used him more for random encounters with Ryuji taking over for mini-bosses and tougher fights.).

Plus, dat kitsune mask tho. Seriously, Yusuke probably has my favorite PT outfit.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Yeah Yusuke was awesome for me, I only benched him for one palace.

He's also an awesome character now that this bizarre and uncomfortable thing is behind us. Fun fact, he literally never shows interest in Ann again in the game. Ever. (Or even any woman for that matter outside the anime cutscenes which... have obvious continuity issues to say the least.)

So it was a completely pointless plot point featuring an uncomfortable sexual abuse survivor where the aggressor was also out of character because uh. Comedy?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


PMush Perfect posted:

Finally, the game is getting good again. :toot: I appreciate that there's not a lot of time wasted between "discovers Madarame's poo poo" and "becomes a persona user", because they really could have dragged that out if they wanted to. It feels like a very sudden change of character, but it makes sense under the context of him knowing for a long time but trying to be willfully ignorant of the truth. Finding the real Sayuri was just what finally blew the lid off of it.


He's been there for 10 years- I don't doubt that one of Madarame's other pupils who ran away tried to talk to him and convince him, and Sayuri just willfully ignored him. The prospect has probably been bubbling under his mind for some time.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
This is why I never could get too mad at the setup for the joke. Yes it is creepy and just after Kamoshida it may not be the best timing, but the first time I saw the punchline of it all I just started to laugh.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
The main thing holding Yusuke back is one of his gimmicks relies on a mechanic that's not usable during boss battles. And the other stuff you'd want to bring him for, as always, Joker can do just as well, if not better.

That said, I still took him with me for a good chunk of the game, and even brought him along for the final boss in spite of his limitations, and he did just fine.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
I used him up until the very last stretch of the game, eventually he just gets outclassed by Ryuji again (and even Ann)
still like him more than Morgana at least

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Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


And with this out of the way, I present to the thread the best fanwork for P5 by a wide margin.

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