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He wanted to be fancy and ended up missing I bet. It's something I'd imagine Mona would do. Blademaster_Aio posted:I don't know why I didn't try something so obvious. I always made new ones, when an easier option existed. Even more so multi-hit physicals. Each hit has a chance to critical, and that means a follow up from said enemy where they will either buff themselves/debuff you if you're lucky or proceed to ruin your day hard if you're not.
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Arist posted:Music: Mementos Oh god I just got triggered by this music. It's probably my second least favourite track in the game. My least favourite is a spoiler though. For this game having such awesome music why does a required area have such an awful awful track to loop?
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Solis posted:Oh god I just got triggered by this music. It's probably my second least favourite track in the game. My least favourite is a spoiler though. For this game having such awesome music why does a required area have such an awful awful track to loop? Persona 5: Golden is going to have only one new feature: more tracks for Mementos
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gmq posted:Persona 5: Golden is going to have only one new feature: more tracks for Mementos Sold. By the way, Arist. Do you mind if I detail the Reaper trick? I've been asked before, but I don't know if you wanted to go over that yourself or you think it spoilers for having not actually fought the reaper yet.
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Drakenel posted:Sold. If the reaper trick is what I think it is we're way off from that being relevant.
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Arist posted:If the reaper trick is what I think it is we're way off from that being relevant. You can tell us the details yourself when the requirements are met. You'll be explaining the effects of all weather effects on mementos right? So far we've just seen pollen, right?
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also the Mementos theme is not very interesting but I found it hummably catchy nonetheless also its unfair how Mementos is the one place that has voiced skits, so you cant turn the sound off entirely
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Part 46: 6/8-6/10: Meddling Kid   Oh, I’ve seen him on TV! He’s famous, but he still rides the train like everyone else... Hey isn’t that that detective? The Phantom Thieves are kinda cool, huh?Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)   Yeah, I think it’s just like the one sent to Kamoshida. People online are saying the Phantom Thieves are behind this. There’s already a Phan-Site with a bunch of requests posted on it. I can’t believe there are real-life superheroes. If it’s happened twice, it’s probably going to happen again. Can’t wait to see who’s next.Music: So Boring   It’s a good chance to think about your future. Be sure you’re paying attention. ...You’d better not make a ruckus. Am I clear? It will reflect poorly on our school. There’s a group going to a television studio this year, correct? Hamiru. Here’s a question for you. With the advent of the color TV, something else started appearing in color. Do you know what it is? If this is true, holy poo poo that’s amazing. Exactly. Before, most people’s dreams were in black and white. But research shows that once color broadcasts became the norm, dreams started being mostly in color. What’s fascinating is that people see the world in color, regardless of TV’s existence. It’s strange that our dreams had been in black and white until TV’s inception.Maaku gains Knowledge +1. In the future, if 3D televisions become normal and let us sense flavor, smell, and heat… Then dreams might become indistinguishable from reality. That’s completely insane, and also not what 3D is.  Dreams with flavor… I could get behind that!Music: Suspicion  It’s probably because of Mr. Kamoshida, right? Considering what happened with Suzui-san… ……? I heard Principal Kobayakawa knew about the sexual harassment too and just turned a blind eye to it. I bet he wants to snuff out any rumors now. Even the volleyball team was told to keep quiet... That’s the worst… So that’s what he’s using Niijima-senpai for? Oh yeah, rumor has it she knew as well. Isn’t that horrible? She acts all noble about it too. Niijima-senpai knew…? Uh-oh, looks like there’s a false rumor spreading about Makoto. This’ll create some drama. Music: Disquiet   It was all for your sake. I thought the more information you had, the easier your investigation would become. And? Did any information arise about the case I asked you to look into? *sigh* Nothing yet. I will pass the details along if anything comes up. Right now, there is a more pressing issue… It appears there are students at Shujin who are being threatened by a criminal organization. ……!? A student who saw your posting came to us looking for help… I’d like to request a countermeasure. I-Isn’t this some sort of mistake? I can’t believe this would happen to the students of our academy. Now is no time for such problems. There is still lingering concern regarding the Phantom Thieves...You’re really dead-set on this whole Phantom Thieves business, huh? But we received a request for help... I-I’m rather busy at the moment. If you wish to do something, you will need to act on your own.Not only is this dude totally spineless, he’s completely hanging her out to dry.  Are you sure about this? I am still investigating your case as well… Y-Yes, that’s correct. It works out perfectly! My intentions have borne fruit. This criminal organization must be the connecting factor. If you pursue this criminal issue, you’ll surely find clues about the Phantom Thieves!What the hell are you talking about? But that’s absurd… So… let’s say this rumor is true. Do you intend to ignore those students in trouble? I... Your sister would have solved this easily if she were in your position.Ouch. My expectations of you are very high. I hope you don’t disappoint. Seems like Makoto’s up against a wall. Music: So Boring   Hmmm… I wonder… I guess it’d have to be someone who’s the talk of the town?  Dude, this ain’t some kinda video game! Either way, we’ll need a lead before we can begin anything. We’ll just have to look for that as we go... If only there was a big target just lying around for us...Music: Tokyo Daylight  Maybe our next target will be a celebrity? Oh… Don’t mind me. I was simply talking to myself.  Steal their hearts… Kind of like those Phantom Thieves, eh? I think you’re onto something. I think this might really work for you. Try using something like that for one of your lines. I-I see! I’ll go with “I’ll take your heart!”  I heard it was the Phantom Thieves who did it… I guess there’s still hope in this world. Maybe I’ll even start painting again...   Do you hear what he’s saying? This youth thinks that the world is pathetic for being so easily deceived. Modern Japan robs the young of their hope, and dirty politics casts a dark shadow over us all. And that concludes our on-the-spot coverage.   That’s right, young man! Those who believe will be saved! Great Sun God, are you not going to have your apostles the Phantom Thieves punish the evildoers? Worry not. Their mission has already been appointed. The good news shall reach everyone in time!  The direct approach just isn’t going to work, but now I’m sure they’re hiding something.  Don’t worry about the money… I-Is everything OK with you? No, I’ll talk to Sakoda-senpai and get you your money back. I just want to do the right thing for once. I won’t drag you into it.Looks like Daisuke’s change of heart went through.  Maaku heads to the diner afterwards and gains Guts +1 and Knowledge +2. Music: Beneath the Mask  I’m thinking we might find our next target there. With that much money, they’ve prolly got their fingers in all sorts of dirty business. Hm… That phrasing has quite the immoral ring to it… Dude, you always react to the weirdest stuff... Anyway, we get to observe a live recording of a show, right? Ooh, maybe we’re gonna be on TV! We’ll just be in the crowd, remember? Any TV appearance would be for like, two seconds. Hm. Try not to pull any fanciful stunts to garner attention, OK?  You remember the cyber attack? Tens of thousands of people’s personal information was leaked. Oh, right. I heard about those hackers. I hear they’ve been causing damage around the world. They act like they’re fighting an unjust system, but they’re still a problem to people like us. Thank you. The curry was delicious.  So many Chinese restaurants! Yes, high-quality Chinese food is true perfection. Good smells are coming from all over this place. It’s easy to find something great to eat here.  I don’t think my bond with Sojiro will deepen just yet...Sojiro’s Rank 4 takes an absurd number of points to reach. >Help him out Put your stuff down, and grab an apron. Don’t forget to wash your hands.Music: What’s Going On?   I feel like my bond with Sojiro will grow stronger soon…FINALLY Hey, thanks for helping out. Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)   I’m sure you know about commercial breaks? Well, those are actually sponsor-related product placements. To sum things up, ratings are vitally important for a station’s production funding, and... Huh... He ain’t even listenin’... Thus, the scheduling department is where we decide what time we broadcast which program. I suppose you could say it’s the place where the scheduling is determined. Could this get any more obvious…? *yawn* So sleepy... So, the best parts are taken from the footage in order to cut down the program to the desired length. The place where this filmed footage is edited would be the editing room. I swear, I’m not gonna last... A man bumps into Maaku. Hrgh…!? Hey, assho-- My apologies! I’ll have them leave right away! Now then, it’s time for a bit of hands-on experience!The man leaves. Dammit… Who does that jerk think he is?A different man looks Ann up and down.  Huh? You’ve got a slammin’ bod, after all. Hehehe…Gross. Uh… I’m on a school trip... Just gimme a call if you’re interested. I’d greatly welcome a message from you, day or night. Uhhh, yeah... Greatly welcome, my rear end. It’s obvious what he’s after. Do these rotten adults care about anything other than looks!? I’ll yank their stupid hearts out, dammit!  Well then, uhhh… Let’s have you see what it’s like to be an AC. Oh, that stands for “assistant camera.” When we’re moving cameras, we need people who’ll get the cables from getting tangled up… The blond will do. He seems like he’s got energy to spare anyway. Guy next to him, you can come too if you’re feeling lonely. C’mon, hurry up and grab the cables! Dammit… This sucks! This is totally killin’ my vibe… We fought valiantly against the long cables...Music: My Homie  Aren’t we supposed to be guests? Why the hell do we hafta be doin’ manual labor!? This is bullshit! Goin’ to the bathroom didn’t even make me feel better! I get how you feel though… That sucked for the both of us. We gotta do more of this tomorrow too…? No flaking out, Ryuji. I know, I know. I gotta be a “good boy,” right? Bein’ phantom thieves ain’t easy…Yeah, sure, let’s just discuss this openly in an unfamiliar location with lots of blind corners people could be waiting behind. That reminds me, we get to go home straight from here today. We don’t spend much time in this area, so why don’t we relax and check out some shops beforehand? It looked delicious! What was that? Ohhh… You mean Dome Town? The round part is a baseball stadium, then along the outside they’ve got an amusement park. It’s right in the middle of a business area, but they have some pretty hardcore rides there too. Going on a scary ride doesn’t really prove any kind of courage. Not like cats can get on anyways. Really…? Really. You might be able to sneak in if you stay in the bag, but you’d totally puke if you did that. But uh… Let’s just go to Dome Town! I’m really feelin’ it now! Me too! My stomach’s ready for roller coasters! Uhhh… I think I’ll pass on the puke rides... Music: Wicked Plan  Yeah, whaddya want? I happened to be passing by, so it seemed polite to greet you. We’ll be filming together, after all. Ah, where are my manners? My name is Goro Akechi. Akechi…? Filming? What, you a celebrity? Only to the extent of appearing on TV a couple of times. Oh…!Akechi checks his phone. My apologies, I truly was just passing by. I must be going. There’s a briefing for tomorrow’s recording that I have to attend. So, you’re going to go have cake now? I missed lunch today, so I’m quite hungry myself... Huh? Cake…? What’re you talkin’ about? Oh, am I mistaken? I thought I heard something about delicious pancakes… No matter. Welp, see you tomorrow. He’s never gonna get popular with that kinda hair though. You don’t get it... Eh, it’s fine. We’ll see him again tomorrow anyways. C’mon, let’s go to Dome Town! New hangout unlocked.  Sorry, Morgana. Music: My Homie  This is why I spoke against it. Dude… It’s not fair… Usin’ your cathood as an excuse… only at times like this… Anyway, are you guys feeling hungry? How about some pancakes?What is with today and pancakes? Let’s go home. We have another full day ahead of us tomorrow.Music: Beneath the Mask  Well, try not to stand out too much—that’s what Ryuji’s for. It is still unclear what led Mr. Madarame to confess his crimes. It’s just like with Kamoshida, right? He doesn’t realize what happened to him.   The girls in the audience start squealing.  It’s Akechi-kun! He’s so cooool! Ain’t that the guy from yesterday…? Cutting back from commercial! Seven, six, five seconds till start, four, three…Music: Alright   After his last appearance was so well-received, we decided to bring back this fine gentleman today. It’s the high school detective, Goro Akechi! *more cheering* Hello there. Thank you for taking the time to join us today, Akechi-kun. Your popularity is stunning. Even I’ve found it to be quite a surprise. It is a bit embarrassing though... Moving along, we’ve been told there’s a case on your mind right now. Care to share, detective? Ah, yes. That would be the scandal involving the master artist Madarame. There it is! All of this phantom thief excitement has caught your attention too, Akechi-kun! Allow me to be blunt for just a second. What do you think of these justice-oriented Phantom Thieves? If they truly are heroes of justice, I sincerely hope they exist. Ohhh, so you don’t deny the possibility that they’re real? I may not seem like it, but I sometimes wish that Santa Claus actually existed.Look at this fool who doesn’t believe in Santa Claus. Although if he did, I’d have to arrest him for breaking and entering. *raucous laughter* But hypothetically speaking, if these Phantom Thieves are real...  Music: Disquiet That’s quite the statement. Are they committing crimes? Some people even say that the Thieves are actually helping their victims abandon their evil ways. What the artist Madarame did truly was an unforgivable crime. However, they’re taking the law into their own hands by judging him. It is far from justice. More importantly, you should never forcefully change a person’s heart. You have a point. These people are calling themselves the Phantom Thieves, after all.Actually they’re calling themselves #Millennials, but you can’t voice act that. Amazing as always, Akechi-kun! I could listen to you for days! You have the most radiant charisma! I have to say though, I would be embarrassed if it turns out these Phantom Thieves don’t exist. If that were the case, I’d summarize it into a report as a school project. Now then, let’s try asking some students the same age as Akechi-kun about the Phantom Thieves! First, please press your button now if you think the Phantom Thieves exist! About 30% or so? What are your thoughts, Akechi-kun?That’s weird, considering we’re currently hovering just below 17% on our own goddamn website. I’m a bit surprised. That’s higher than I was expecting. I’d love to hear some more detailed opinions on the Phantom Thieves’ actions. Oh poo poo. All right, let’s try asking this student here. Hypothetically speaking, what are your thoughts on these Phantom Thieves, if they were real? You say that with such firmness. This completely goes against the opinion you had about them being tried by law, Akechi-kun. In that case, there’s one more question I’d like to ask… If someone close to you, for example your friend next to you… If his heart suddenly changed… wouldn’t you think it was the work of the Phantom Thieves? I see. But how can you be so sure? Whether the Thieves’ actions are good or not, I feel there is a more important issue at hand. The matter of how they change people’s hearts. If they honestly possess that ability… it could be used for more than extracting confessions. It could be that what seem to be ordinary crimes are actually being perpetrated by these methods... You know, you’re absolutely right. Oh, please don’t misunderstand. This is all purely hypothetical… It is only if people who can use such a power truly exist. Either way though, this cannot be ignored. The existence of the Phantom Thieves would be nothing but a threat to our everyday lives. To be honest, I’m already working alongside the police to help sort out this matter. He made it sound like we’re the baddies. I don’t like it.Are we the baddies? But that stuff about the police… Do you think it’s for real? He can say whatever he wants. The justice of it all is something we can decide for ourselves. Oh sorry, I gotta go take a leak. Can you guys wait here? I’ll be right back. Oh my god… I’m gonna keep going, OK?  To paraphrase Hegel, advancement cannot occur without both thesis and antithesis...I can use the smart words too! Synecdoche! Puerile! Antidisestablishmentarianism!  If your Knowledge is Rank 5 the rest of this cutscene should be an in-depth discussion about Hegelian dialectic. “Hm, yes, only through sublation of the initial, abstract thesis can we land upon something concrete. What are your thoughts on Marx and Engel’s perspective on the matter?” Haha, my apologies. What I mean is that our discussion was quite meaningful. Few people around me are so willing to speak their minds as freely as you did earlier. Adults are only interested in using the young, while they simply do as the adults say. I feel like our discussions could prove quite fruitful. Would you mind talking with me again? Thank you. It makes me glad to hear that. The students from Shujin are truly quite interesting. I look forward to seeing you again. Well then... There’s probably a lot we can learn from him though. It seems the detective Akechi has taken a liking to me...Music: Interrogation Room    The only logical explanation is that someone in the police has ties to the Phantom Thieves… Explain yourself!Music: The Spirit   Justice is the arcana of, well, justice. It represents law, fairness, and truth, as well as unfairness and dishonesty when reversed. Music: Suspicion  I can’t stand that high and mighty attitude…! Just breathin’ the same air as him makes me sick. C’mon, Maaku. Let’s go.Maaku looks back for a moment before following Ryuji. Music: Beneath the Mask   He clearly tried to discredit everything we’re doing. And he just had to say it on live TV too! Don’t be so sour. There are, without a doubt, people we have saved. Those people could not have been saved if not for the heroics of the Phantom Thieves. I am living proof of that. Awww, what a nice thing to say! Still… was what Akechi-kun said actually wrong? I feel like he had a point. Why you gotta bring that up now? I mean, is it really OK to be doing this to people just because they’re criminals? Doesn’t it seem a little selfish? We are phantom thieves, Ann. I doubt everyone would forgive us for what we did to Madarame. Yet, I still decided that it was a necessary act. Kamoshida too. We weren’t gonna do poo poo to him through any normal methods. I guess I can’t really think of any other way... Hm. I believe our best path forward is sticking to our justice, not that of the law. Shouldn’t that be enough? And with the unanimous decision rule in place, I doubt we’ll lose our way. ...Yeah, you’re right. Sorry for bringing that up. And don’t worry, I’m not thinking about quitting the Phantom Thieves or anything. Just you watch, Akechi. Someday you’re totally gonna see who was right! OK, let’s stop talking about this for now. That detective Akechi seems to have a lot of influence on the media. It’d be dangerous to get too close to him, but he may actually prove useful in some situations.  You heard what Akechi said, right Hamiru? How dare he declare the Phantom Thieves are criminals! As the administrator of the Phantom Aficionado Website, I can’t stay quiet about this. I’m going to show Akechi how people online really feel! I’ll change up the survey question tomorrow morning. Justice is with the Phantom Thieves! Keep on doing what you do best!...Sure thing, Mishima. ...Why is he of all people getting angry about this? Anyway, he means the survey on the Phan-Site, right? I guess we should look forward to it. Totally, Chief.  On these irregularly broadcast specials, we share limited-edition items that are all the rage! Today, we’re going to talk about Soothing Soba, the dish that’ll help you endure the summer heat! It’s on sale now in convenience stores around Tokyo, and it’s expected to sell out fast. It even puts some Chinese food to shame. It’s surprising you can buy it at convenience stores.We’ll have to pick some of that up sometime.   You know, I’ve been hearing Shibuya’s getting more dangerous lately. I’m sure you pass by that area on your commute to school, but don’t make too many detours, OK? I don’t think my bond with Kawakami will deepen just yet...We’re paying 5,000 yen and she doesn’t even rank up, ugh.  Ok, I’ll get dropped off from the store then. Please clean up your room and wait for me. ♥Music: What’s Going On?   I feel like my bond with Kawakami will grow stronger soon... Thank you for your patronage! So the Phantom Thieves were the bad guys? I guess now that you mention it… I’ve felt that way the whole time. It’s just brainwashing, isn’t it? It’s really self-centered.
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Aug 25, 2017 21:14
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The thing about dreams is half-true. Actually, most people started seeing dreams in monochrome in the days of black and white movies. Once color movies and TV became the norm, dreams reverted back to being in color.
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Aug 25, 2017 21:46
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Its a sneaky question, thats for sure also hey there character suddenly turning this into a Death Note-like show
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Aug 25, 2017 22:12
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Arist posted:If the reaper trick is what I think it is we're way off from that being relevant. Fair enough! It's why I asked. loving Ryuji, I swear. He's already done that multiple times. "Good thing that WE, THE PHANTOM THIEVES, are doing something!"
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Aug 25, 2017 22:15
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Drakenel posted:Fair enough! It's why I asked. Ryuji is a good boy with a heart full of passion and a head full of empty.
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I suppose the thing that the game relies on is that the forcible mental changes the Phantom Thieves make are necessary because without them multiple innocent lives will be absolutely ruined. It's not that people don't have an innate right to the integrity of their own mind, but the argument is that they lose this right if they're abusing their power over other people and robbing them of their inherent rights. In that case, committing a mental violation is the lesser of two evils.
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PetraCore posted:I suppose the thing that the game relies on is that the forcible mental changes the Phantom Thieves make are necessary because without them multiple innocent lives will be absolutely ruined. It's not that people don't have an innate right to the integrity of their own mind, but the argument is that they lose this right if they're abusing their power over other people and robbing them of their inherent rights. In that case, committing a mental violation is the lesser of two evils. And in fairness, the heroes have been aware that doing this to someone is a big loving deal from step 1, and only resorted to it when they discovered the guy almost got someone killed.
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Aug 25, 2017 23:41
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The riff on the Justice card is pretty easy to spot. Money weighed more than love on the scales. 
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Aug 25, 2017 23:42
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Oh hello there not-Akechi Kogoro.
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Does no one notice that our protagonist has a cat who pops out his bag in public? I thought that Morgana kept his head in while talking to you but he's practically climbing over Maaku's shoulder in the middle of a class field trip to a crowded studio. After the poo poo the gang gave him for mewing a little too loudly on the subway too.
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Aug 26, 2017 01:45
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I imagine his classmates have to know by now he keeps a cat in his bag/desk. However they also think he's an insane violent criminal so they just pretend like they don't notice him doing weird poo poo.
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Aug 26, 2017 01:52
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What other confidants take forever to level up besides Sojiro? I'm sure you've mentioned it already but I lose track very quickly.kw0134 posted:Does no one notice that our protagonist has a cat who pops out his bag in public? I thought that Morgana kept his head in while talking to you but he's practically climbing over Maaku's shoulder in the middle of a class field trip to a crowded studio. After the poo poo the gang gave him for mewing a little too loudly on the subway too. It's a cat and it looks fine. It doesn't look abused or anything. What kind of square is going to tattle to a teacher that someone's got a cat in the school?
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Aug 26, 2017 01:55
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RareAcumen posted:It's a cat and it looks fine. It doesn't look abused or anything. What kind of square is going to tattle to a teacher that someone's got a cat in the school? I'd expect someone to ask to pet the kitty sooner or later, though. I mean, kitty. Reputation as crazy and violent can only do so much to stop the natural human urge to pet catte.
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Aug 26, 2017 01:58
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Yeah, good, bad, you'd think some attention would be drawn if only to do the "dawww wittle kitty  " that tends to attract humans to fuzzy creatures. That's exactly what happened when Maaku took Morgana out into the open for the first time!
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Aug 26, 2017 02:04
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RareAcumen posted:What other confidants take forever to level up besides Sojiro? I'm sure you've mentioned it already but I lose track very quickly. Temperance, annoyingly enough. I don't think any of them are quite as bad as Hierophant, though.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:06
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Aww, poo poo, it's best boy Goro! A shame the OP didn't catch a picture of his dreamy smile... Daww, heart-melting!  And I am appreciative that the game isn't really shying away from the very real dilemma that the powewr of changing hearts presents. Because no matter how you look at it, it is forcibly changing peoples perceptions of themselves and their actions, and that makes things squicky; Maaku said that they only target criminals, and that may be true so far, but... it is a real slippery slope before them, as shows like Death Note have already shown. As the game has presented us with actions, our scenarios, as Petra has already said, have been presented as the lesser of two evils*, but these things still bear thinking about. *Well, the first one was, anyway; there was no need for Yusuke to force the issue as he did in the second case, and that he did is the only reason we were stuck in that situation at all.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:17
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"Time to button mash." was absolutely the best moment in the game so far.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:18
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So Goro just heard Morgana talk in that hallway, right? Nobody else said anything about pancakes before then. I wonder what that's all about, especially since nobody besides
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Here's my opinion on the rightness of the Phantom Thieves. What they are doing is wrong, but doing nothing would be more wrong. The justice system is meant to bring facts to light, and through a rigorous and transparent process arrive at the truth of a matter. However, the game has already made it abundantly clear that such a system does not exist in its world. Law and order are not sacrosanct. If they do not serve their intended purpose, it is more moral to take matters into one's own hands, so long as one can reach the truth in a manner as rigorous as one would hope the actual justice system would have. Well, the Phantom Thieves have access to evidence in abundance, provided by the shadows of their targets. And the mere presence of a palace indicates that there's something deeply wrong with a person, even if that thing isn't criminal in nature. I think the methods of the Phantom Thieves could be incorporated into a proper justice system, if only the authorities were willing to go after powerful people like Madarame. On the question of whether it's right to forcefully change someone's heart, in my mind it's not that different from sending someone to prison. Theoretically, people are imprisoned as a punishment that will change their future behavior. That is, by changing the way they think and interact with the world. Same thing. Except one way works with 100% reliability, and the other all too often makes people into worse criminals than they were before. I don't even seeing as totally overwriting a personality. It's more like it strips away pretenses and excuses and allows a person's natural moral fiber to reassert itself.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:28
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SweaterGear posted:So Goro just heard Morgana talk in that hallway, right? Nobody else said anything about pancakes before then. I wonder what that's all about, especially since nobody besides Maybe he's another Persona user? The entire SMT series has a tendency to have opposing teams with the same powers, he's heavily affiliated with law and order from what little we've seen, and Shadow Madarame pretty much outright said there's someone else messing with the meta world.
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resurgam40 posted:it is a real slippery slope before them, as shows like Death Note have already shown. I dunno, Death Note wasn't so much a slippery slope as it was a sheer drop-off that Light gleefully dove into head first. Seriously, he went from, "Might as well test this on someone nobody will care about, on the off chance it's legit," to "Holy poo poo, did that actually work? Better test it again to be sure," to "I AM NOW THE GOD OF THIS WORLD AND ALL WHO OPPOSE ME WILL DIE".
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don't trust anyone with the name 'goro' imo
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W.T. Fits posted:I dunno, Death Note wasn't so much a slippery slope as it was a sheer drop-off that Light gleefully dove into head first. Also, the Phantom Thieves are picking much better targets than Light ever was. He killed criminals who were already in jail, for gently caress's sake. Solitair fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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AriadneThread posted:don't trust anyone with the name 'goro' imo Majima is a good boy
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AriadneThread posted:don't trust anyone with the name 'goro' imo
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AradoBalanga posted:Well, this one's not a four-armed giant warrior prince from a parallel world competing in a violent martial arts tournament, at least. you don't know what's under that jacket
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Saying the phantom thieves should be tried in court, Akechi just hits where it hurts. Also, this let's talk about phantom thieves wherever we go is gonna bite us back one day. Clearly this current group isn't known for its subtlety.
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AriadneThread posted:you don't know what's under that jacket This game would be made 100000000 times better if Akechi turned out to be Goro from Mortal Kombat, or a least a member of his species.
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Aug 26, 2017 07:15
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serefin99 posted:This game would be made 100000000 times better if Akechi turned out to be Goro from Mortal Kombat, or a least a member of his species.
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Aug 26, 2017 08:02
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Montegoraon posted:The thing about dreams is half-true. Actually, most people started seeing dreams in monochrome in the days of black and white movies. Once color movies and TV became the norm, dreams reverted back to being in color. My dreams have save points. Seriously. I play too many vidjagames.
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resurgam40 posted:Maaku said that they only target criminals, and that may be true so far, but... it is a real slippery slope before them, as shows like Death Note have already shown. Well, the Phantom Thieves can only change the hearts of people with palaces / distorted desires, they can't just make anyone believe anything.
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W.T. Fits posted:I dunno, Death Note wasn't so much a slippery slope as it was a sheer drop-off that Light gleefully dove into head first. Well, yeah... I meant slippery slope as presented by the story, not necessarily what the characters within the story do with it. Death Note is far from a perfect story (rehashed some story beats too much and suffered from too many ancillary characters, for two), but one of its great strengths is it's ability to present the classical lure of power and a variety of ways to react to it, and through that struggle between viewpoint, posit other, greater questions: whether it is possible to wield the power of death without becoming a criminal like Light, what measures are necessary to catch such a villain, how society chooses what to deify and the rightness of that, etc. And more impressive is that these questions are never really given a definitive answer. And in this story, the characters are not given the power to kill, but the power to change: to make a bad man good, or at least to direct him down a path you preordain, and we've done that so far not just to Kamoshida and Madarame, but two of our high school peers as well (as well as... Nekohara? Is that his name?). These targets were all "good" targets, as in the harm they were doing is measurable and could not be stopped by other means, but the fact remains that we chose them ourselves, because they violated our own sense of right and wrong, and we have to question just how much the fact that they hurt us, the people we care about, weighs into our decision. Because Mishima is an eager little beaver who has jumped on our bandwagon wholeheartedly, and Ryuji keeps seeing his "lovely" adults and rankles over the lack of respect he still has to deal with. And Morgana has already been established as being clever, but lacking foresight and self awareness. How long, I wonder, before it starts becoming not about "fixing the ills of society" but about "securing our place within it?"
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all this talk does make me wonder if there could be a person so depraved, not even a change of heart would entirely redeem his personality
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