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sudonim posted:I know It's probably got something to do with the large intersection between LP and the anime death tentacle rape whorehouse subforum
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and all, but even on these forums, founded by one of the most irreverent men on the internet, people still take JRPG LP super serious and will sometimes add all sorts of narrative mumbo jumbo instead of just having fun while showing a game off to other terrible nerds.
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As in all things, perspective is key. Namaste. (tbh spicing up the dungeon sequences is probably a good idea; they're better by a long shot than P3 and P4 but it's something that only becomes clear when you're actually playing them)
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Part 59: 6/25: Math Is Power Next on our agenda is navigating this massive repository of vaults. This should also be the last update with interference from Ari, thankfully. ...I also fixed the portraits. Music: Price (Another Version)    PIN…? So is this gonna open one of the vaults? Hm, there’s something written above the number pad on here. “RICH”… This is disgusting. How obsessed can one man be with his money? Wait, there might be something more than that! Do you think this is connected to that journal…?You know what? This is fine. This is just my life now.  See? It has all of the letters in the word “RICH”! Huh. That might be worth a try. Can you do it, Joker?  We will leave it to you. The Treasure may be beyond here. If you get confused, just take a look at Kaneshiro’s journal. It’s among our belongings.This just means “go check your Key Items in case you forget the clue.”  This may be worth trying out. Joker, can you do it?  R=C=0, I=1, and H=2, huh?   Simple. Ari seems to have gotten this remarkably quickly, even if it’s not terribly complex. Good for him, though he didn’t seem to write any commentary about it. ...Weird.   The vault rotates, placing a gap in front of us.  So my deduction may be correct...  As long as I’m rich, anything will be possible... That voice… It’s Kaneshiro! Is he watching us!? That doesn’t seem to be the case. It sounds more like the voice of his heart… I guess all he really thinks about is money, after all. So he blackmails people outta their savings and that’s still not enough? What a douche… More importantly, the message in the journal was the PIN code! Yes, it seems so… but I doubt it will be that easy from this point forward. The rest of the pages were torn out of the journal. Who knows what clues they may hold... Well, let’s not get pessimistic. We should look around and try to find some other clues. Time to head further in and find those PINs!  The only option now is to head further into the vault.  This is Rakshasa. It’s weak to Physical and Bless and loves knocking the poo poo out of you with Physical strikes.  Along the way, Ryuji gains Bad Beat, a Medium Physical skill that strikes all enemies with a low chance of inflicting Despair. It’s pretty good, because Despair is loving broken.  Inside this pig, we find a torn page. Sadly, this will not send us to Winnie the Pooh land, but it’s useful nonetheless. Hm? There’s a note here… It says “P=I.” ...The hell’s that supposed to mean? Wait, the edge of it is torn. Maybe it came from Kaneshiro’s journal? Oh, so it’s the continuation of the code we found in there! This should be useful! Further in, we find another one. Hm? There’s a note here… It says “E=9 A=3.” It seems to be the same as the one we found earlier. The edge here is frayed as well. Perfect! The more hints we find, the closer we get to solving the code. Come on, let’s hurry over to the input machine! And here’s the next panel.  Reap? Isn’t that like, to harvest? Why would he have that as a password…? That man sees people as walking ATMs… He must think of collecting money from them as a harvest. Kaneshiro is truly rotten to the core... If this is the same kind of thing as before, the hints should help us find the password, right? We’ll see about that. Why don’t we check the information we have on hand? So we just have to make “REAP” into numbers like before, right? Yes, if we can decode the hints. REAP is only slightly more complicated.. We already know R is 0. Adding on top of that, we know E and A are 9 and 3, respectively. Finally, P is equal to I, which was 1. Together, that gives us 0931.  Ari solves another one, in no time at all. And he’s still silent. Great!   All right, it worked! Don’t gimme your excuses. Just go reap every last penny! This voice again... I’ll make you understand if you don’t get it… People who can’t earn money are worthless to me! He’s completely distorted... It looks like he really believes money is more important than human life… What a pitiful man. Yeah… Let’s finish this quick. The door’s prolly opened up, so we should head back and check it out. What do you think, Joker? Should we go straight over to the vault?  This is the second one… I wonder how many more there are… I’m sure we’ll find out as we go. Let’s keep moving to our next one!  The next floor of the vault is covered with impassable gates of electricity.  To bypass them, we’re forced to climb up and around.  From there, we can jump across the shelves to proceed.  We use our second (and last) Lockpick on this chest, which contains a new revolver for Makoto.  It’s a rather dramatic improvement.  This is the same kind of note as before… It says “U=A.” It’s just like the other codes we’ve been picking up. I think that’ll be a hint! Aw yeah, another note. If I’m readin’ it right, it says “G=P.” OK, we have one more hint than before. Let’s keep it up! It says “HUGE,” you moron! Can you even read?Don’t make fun of Ryuji’s illiteracy. It’s not nice. So we’ll need to transpose this one into numbers too. I hope we can do it with the hints we have... This one’s the third PIN. Uhhh… what’s the word again? Ugh, it’s “HUGE”! As in, you’re a HUGE idiot! Anyway, this can be made into a number too, right? I hope it’s not too difficult. This one isn’t really any tougher than the last. U=A and G=P means 3 and 1, respectively. H is still 2 and E is still 9, giving us 2319.  ...I’ve got a confession to make. It’s not that Ari just mysteriously stopped writing commentary. I know the reason.  I had to piece a lot of it together and ask him and my mother for the rest, but it seems that halfway through doing god-knows-what to my beautiful portraits Ari decided he would try to freak me out as payback for yelling at him. He wanted to replace one of the images with a flashing picture of a T-Rex because he heard I didn’t like Jurassic World very much (though he seems to have misinterpreted and thought I found it scary instead of just tedious). Anyway, during his Google Search he ran across this image:  And now he’s had nightmares for the past few days. He’s just been in no mood to ruin this LP, and probably won’t be again for a good, long while. In light of this, I’ve decided to take the notebook he used to write down various notes about the rest of this update and try to transcribe his thoughts as accurately as I can.  Well then, we should keep-- ”Hitler-man is weird and pathetic.” On that, we can agree. What now? I’m done having other people walk all over me… It’s my turn now… He is beyond redemption… It seems he cares not for those he tramples upon himself. Every step we take just keeps strengthening my resolve. Let’s push onward. Wanna go back to the vault then?  This movement… There can be no doubt. Hm? Did you notice something? Wh-What do you mean…? Can you explain that a little more…? The cylinder is the mechanism that judges if a key is the proper shape. If you use the correct key and all the discs align, the lock opens. Now that you mention it, while the walls rotate, the path forward has remained facing the same way... So you’re saying the whole floor is just one giant lock…? That’s right. All the smaller vaults in here aren’t important. There has to be an area further in, locked away by the room itself. And that’s where the Treasure’s gotta be! Sweet, let’s get goin’! Up ahead, we run into another boss Shadow. Look, behind it! It seems like we’ll have to take it down to move on… Are you ready for this, Joker?   Well, Mr. Kaneshiro ordered me to absolutely not let anyone past this point. Accept your death! ”He ain’t got no arms!” is what it says here. I assume it’s talking about this, anyway. Defeated Avenger Music: Keeper of Lust  This guy is weak to Psi, and accompanied by two Oni, who we should have little trouble dealing with at this point. Music: Price (Another Version)  I guess that’s why the Shadow was protecting it? It doesn’t seem to require any keys, but there are buttons on the left and right of the box... There must be a reason that thing was guarding it. Let’s try and figure out why.  The vault rotates, revealing… a dead end. So, that’s a bust. Let’s try the left button.    The vault rotates once more, placing the gap right next to us. Let’s see what it revealed.  Another panel, of course.    This time, the gap is where the dead end was last time.  Pushing the right button again reveals the path forward. Time to head down into yet another vault.  We don’t have a Lockpick for this chest, but we’ll make note of it for later.  We run into a normal version of the Take-Minakata from earlier, though it’s a fair bit above our level, preventing us from being able to acquire it.  Morgana learns Diarama, finally catching him up to Makoto in terms of healing output. Media’s pretty much garbage in battle right now due to our much, much larger health pools, so for most tough situations we’ll want both of them.  Ryuji also learns Assault Dive, a Heavy Physical strike. Not quite as good as Yusuke’s Rising Slash (especially because Yusuke currently has stat superiority) but enough to catch him up most of the way. “I wanna be a pirate!”  Finally, Makoto learns Energy Shower, an amazingly useful skill that cures Confuse, Fear, Rage, Despair, and Brainwash on the entire party. Considering these are some of the more debilitating status effects, it’s great to have good ways to get rid of them, especially on the entire party.  Another pig, another note. This note is a new one. It says “L = U + G, D=G”Oh… Oh no. Ugh, it’s like, algebra or something! I’m getting confused…”I don’t… algebra? What?” This is bad. Math isn’t Ari’s strongest subject, and it’s a little early to be introducing him to substituting variables. Panther… This is really just simple addition...Yeah, Mona’s right. I’m… I’m sure it’ll be fine.  Hm, there’s a note here… It says “O+H=10.” So we’re getting into calculations now… Good grief. I’m starting to worry that this game’s rating being Mature is actually because it contains copious amounts of math. Hopefully Ari manages to figure this out.  We have to backtrack a bit and climb up on top of the shelves to access a vent leading us to the keypad this time.  I’d expect it’s the same pattern we’ve followed so far. We’ll need to decode that word into numbers. I believe you’re correct. I only hope we can do so with the hints we currently have on us. The code this time is “GOLD.” Wanna give it a try? Okay, so U+G = L, so L is 4 (3+1). D is just G, so that’s 1 as well. Finally, O + H = 10, which means that if we subtract H (2) from 10, we get O, which is 8. Simple enough. Let’s see how Ari did from his notes.  Oh jeez.    The last vault moves aside and an elevator pops out of the ground.   Again? This… This is the fruit of all my hard labor! He thinks robbin’ people is something to celebrate? That guy needs to get his brain checked... With this much, I will be invincible! Omnipotent! I’ve changed… I’m no longer the person I used to be… The person he used to be…? What could have happened to make him so distorted…? I don’t know, but no matter what kind of past he had, his actions are unforgivable. That’s right. Now, if my deductions are accurate, that should’ve been the final mechanism. All right then. Let’s head back and check out the vault! We know where it is, so going back should be easy. What do you think, Joker?  You’re like some kinda prophet, Queen... It’s mostly thanks to that notebook. We wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for that. More importantly, did you hear all those things Shadow Kaneshiro was saying? Oh yeah, I was wondering about that! Didn’t he seem kinda… insecure or something? Exactly. He kept bringing up how rich and powerful he wants to be. So if he’s insecure about that poo poo… he thinks he’s really just some poor weakling, huh? Maybe by thinking he was going to be a strong, wealthy man, he convinced himself it was true. I wonder… Well, we will discover the truth for ourselves when we change his heart. Let us hurry, Joker.  I don’t see anything.Doesn’t look like anything to me. From here on we’re gonna need this callin’ card thing. Making the target believe that the Treasure is in danger will cause it to materialize. That’s quite a bold trick. Huh? She understood? Joker, we’ll defer to you regarding its timing. OK guys, let’s get ready for the heist! In the end, that Kaneshiro only showed his stupid face once... That doesn’t matter. As long as we steal the Treasure, we’ll change his heart. Then let’s act as the Phantom Thieves should and send the calling card. It’s on you, Joker. If you wish to train or explore further before sending it, that decision is purely yours.Music: Aria of the Soul  Next up, we head back to the Velvet Room, because we can fuse Flauros using a Group Guillotine. It requires Andras, Eligor, and Berith, with Eligor supplying the Tarukaja we need.    I shall become a fiery mask of thine, with my powers to see the past and future... Flauros is one of the 72 demons of the Goetia, who can see the past and future (but will always lie about them) and control fire.   This presence… I see. As we requested, you have brought us a Flauros with the skill Tarukaja. *chuckle* Very well… Your assignment’s done....Huh, guess he didn’t get back to these before seeing the cursed image. Lucky me.  True… I guess we’ve gotta at least admit that. Your Personas are starting to get pretty drat strong too. …… Is fostering Personas… truly rehabilitation? What’re you saying that for? It is… merely a thought I had. Will the inmate truly be rehabilitated if we help cultivate power within him…? Keep it together, Justine. This is the job our master ordered us to do. Or… are you gonna try and disobey your orders? That is not what I meant... Don’t worry yourself too much over one measly prisoner. All we gotta do is get the most out of his wild card thing, and make him work hard at his tasks. The wild card... What is it now? The more I consider this list, the stranger it seems. Its writer must have known that the one carrying out these tasks would possess the power of the wild card… You’ve gotta be kidding me. How would somebody know that? …… I mean, even our master didn’t know the inmate had that wild card thing before we met him!  Hmph. Either way, this’ll all get resolved if you just hurry up and finish your rehabilitation already! Justine, give him his next task so he’ll quit talking back! ...Very well. It seems that it is time for us to be serious. I feel like my bond with Caroline and Justine is growing deeper... As previously mentioned, here is the second task you must complete before receiving your reward. You only need speak with us once you obtain it. We will be able to tell. Go work up a sweat, Inmate!   And just like that, Kaneshiro’s Palace is done. All that’s left is to send the calling card and steal the Treasure. We finally secured our route to the Treasure! All we need to do now is send the calling card. Indeed… We have finished the prearrangements, and now we shall face the true test. But this is no time to panic, Joker. Let us ensure we succeed after having come so far.Music: Beneath the Mask   I have to agree. The earlier the better in my book. There is no assurance he will keep his promise, after all. What are your thoughts on the matter, Makoto? I have nothing to say here, it’s just that I keep breaking down laughing at the thought of the phrase “nasty crimes.” Hm, calm as always. Well, we’ll leave it up to you. We’ll be ready to go whenever you are!  No villain can withstand the power of girls’ night! Revive and fight, Phoenix Rangers! Next episode… “I want a Love So Strong, It’d Bring Me Back from the Dead!”I was moderately into Power Rangers in my formative years so seeing this stuff always gives me a chuckle. Anyway, I’m finally free from the diabolical clutches of my ten-year-old brother. I can’t wait for this LP to be boring again. Next time!
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Man, I can see why this dungeon is not a whole lot of fun. It just keeps on going well past its welcome and once you figure out enemy weaknesses, becomes kind of boring to go through. On the flip side, they've gone all in with the theme of greed for Kaneshiro, so I doubt there will be a sudden swerve into a completely unrelated sin like with Madarame.
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AradoBalanga posted:Man, I can see why this dungeon is not a whole lot of fun. It just keeps on going well past its welcome and once you figure out enemy weaknesses, becomes kind of boring to go through. belch (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I haaaaate this dungeon, the rotating vaults had me hating life, the universe and myself for trying to complete it in one day (both in real life and in-game).
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Pink Asas is what happens when you don't use a colourfast dye on your spandex costume.
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The vault section of the Palace has a similar problem to Mementos, where every just looks exactly the same. It's incredibly numbing to go through.
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Gotta admit, the second half of the palace is pretty heavily boring as gently caress. It was tedious to go through, not to mention the SP consumption in this palace can wind up being a higher expense than usual because of all the physical resistant enemies.
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Arist posted:And now he’s had nightmares for the past few days. He’s just been in no mood to ruin this LP, and probably won’t be again for a good, long while. In light of this, I’ve decided to take the notebook he used to write down various notes about the rest of this update and try to transcribe his thoughts as accurately as I can. Aww, poor Ari. I hope he'll be okay soon, Arist.  Though not gonna lie, this really sounds like a Social Link to me. "Good, good, my younger sibling wants to grow up and be like an LPer like me. Oh no, they saw a scary image online. Do I have enough Kindness and Expression to comfort him and help him overcome his trauma?"Also, I'm guessing the passwords feel less clunky in Japanese? Because it's making our cast of idiots look even worse right now. I can't help but imagine that Makoto's been rolling her eyes and using a sarcastic tone in this entire section.
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IIRC the original passcodes involve untranslatable Japanese puns.
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amigolupus posted:Also, I'm guessing the passwords feel less clunky in Japanese? Because it's making our cast of idiots look even worse right now. I can't help but imagine that Makoto's been rolling her eyes and using a sarcastic tone in this entire section. That... wouldn't surprise me either, nor would it surprise me about the pun thing... they do love their puns over there. But I hope Ari does OK, and give him Kudos for attempting the dreaded algebra, at least! (I might have had to write something down at that part too, numbers and me haven't really mixed...)
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Funky Valentine posted:We gonna finish this nasty crime, boy. Don't mean a thing 
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Arist posted:
I'm not going to lie. This killed me with laughter and horror.
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Poor bastard Kaneshiro. There's always going to be somebody richer than you, you know.
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Glazius posted:Poor bastard Kaneshiro. There's always going to be somebody richer than you, you know. But will they be willing to stoop to outright criminal acts like you.
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MonsterEnvy posted:But will they be willing to stoop to outright criminal acts like you. It's not illegal if you get the laws changed in your favor!
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Strange Forest posted:I'm not going to lie. This killed me with laughter and horror. Poor Ari. He never saw it coming.
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Funky Valentine posted:We gonna finish this nasty crime, boy. Nothing wrong with dirty deeds, so long as they're done dirt cheap.
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Mraagvpeine posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but back in Persona 2 or 1 didn't nuclear do almighty damage? in persona 2 Frei was a subset of fire. Like how Bufu is a subset of water. cdyoung fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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I'm kinda wondering how the element "meta" stacks up in this game. In P3, Lightning was king since it could inflict Shock, a lot of enemies were weak to it, and very few were resistant to it. Same thing with Wind in P4 minus the Status effect since those were gone in P4. Is there a particularly dominant element in this game as well or does the larger number of elements help spread things more evenly?
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cdyoung posted:in persona 2 Frei was a subset of fire. Like how Bufu is a subset of water. Really? I never heard that. Are the other elements like that?
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The most dominant element, only when used against you, is physical. There are a lot of nasty moves attached to that element. Some enemies actually use strategy: they use status ailments like rage and they repel physical attacks, or they use mental ailments (forget and stuff) and follow up with psy (bonus damage vs mental ailments). Basically there are enemies who capitalize on bonus damage. Burn followed up by wind, burn/freeze/shock followed by nuclear. And ailments are useful / powerful as always. Taking advantage of these strategies makes tougher enemies go down faster. But bosses I think are immune to ailments.
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Oh hey, I finally caught up with the thread! ... I caught up with the thread. 
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Arist posted:We see the ever-rare hostage situation once more here. i beat the game and never knew this was a mechanic.
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Roobanguy posted:i beat the game and never knew this was a mechanic. That's the one Trophy I'm missing for this game, never personally seen it either.
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One of your (non-Joker I assume) characters have to get knocked down by a weakness (or I assume a critical strike) and then there's a low chance the shadow will take the hostage instead of using his one-more. It's a completely pointless mechanic since you can summon xxxWeedLordSephirothxxx and his Stoners to bail you out thrice per dungeon dive and statistically speaking getting Joker killed is far more probable than surviving enough enemy one-mores to see two hostage situations, nevermind three or four.
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Part 60: 6/26-6/27: When A Fly Pigs I fixed the portraits.  Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)  Nope.   You’ll understand what I mean when you can see clearly with eyes of truth. Do not close your heart in shame of your ignorance. Truth shines its light on open minds. In essence, there are two kinds of thieves: the Robin Hood figures, and the mere criminals. Thieves like Robin Hood rebel against authority. The Phantom Thieves only target individuals. And so, the Phantom Thieves are nothing more than criminals. It’d be best you remember that. Today they’re selling two Uji Matcha Flan for 2980 yen, gifts you can give to female Confidants to rank them up faster on off days. They’re pretty pointless but we buy them anyway because we’re flush with cash. Music: Tokyo Emergency  We did actually remember to claim Yusuke’s skill card, gaining another Rakukaja.  I totally didn’t forget our weekly purchase of special drink and have to rerecord this entire update, no sir. Anyway, what’s with this game and the word “nasty” lately? Maaku gains Guts+1. Now, we have pretty much no options left today but to send the calling card. No one’s available today due to stat locks (Death) or because we haven’t sent the calling card (the entire rest of the party), so let’s just do that. Music: Suspicion   I would agree, but it will not be an easy task this time. Yeah, nobody actually knows him... There’s so goddamn much I wanna write on the calling card too…Huh, nothing happened. I must really be free. Music: Tokyo Emergency  Anon: this is so immature. Anon: they’ll improve the world! Anon: i dont buy into that stuff. Anon: Don’t be fooled, everyone! Anon: i miss this sorta excitement Anon: aww yeah, come back soon!! Anon: JUSTICE! Jajajaja Anon: they’re up to something Music: Wicked Plan  Yeah, we don’t know where he lives... Hm? Why not use the same method as before?  It sounds like Makoto has an idea in mind...Music: Beneath the Mask  Makoto took Ryuji with her. She specifically mentioned that he would be fine and we have nothing to worry about. I’m sure it’ll be fine if Makoto’s there with him. I’d definitely be worried if Ryuji was going alone though. You have a point. I suppose we will find out tomorrow either way. For now, we should get some rest. Yup, cya! We’re finally going to strike tomorrow. Let’s get some sleep so we can be in tip-top shape!  Nothing goes your way in life. You’ll end up failing if you tense up like that.Sojiro gives his usual response on calling card days.  Let’s make some lockpicks. Music: Everyday Days  We get 2 lockpicks from one craft. That means we get a bonus to Proficiency at the end.  ...And again.  Only one from this one though. Maaku gains Proficiency +3 (including an extra Proficiency +1 from the double craft) and five Lockpicks. That’ll last us a while.   It says it’s from the Phantom Thieves... Look, there’s a bunch over there, too! Is this some kind of stealth marketing campaign? Junya Kaneshiro? Who’s that? Anon: Ends justify the means… Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)  Nah man, I’m a loving delinquent. I’m always late.  I can’t be late today too... No, I was up very early, shooting a news show. I have much more work in television because of the Phantom Thieves. I have permission from my school, but it’s still tough to do both. ...Ah, I can’t keep complaining. Well, let’s both do our best today.Music: So Boring   Oh yeah. In Japan, when the rainy season ends, we say that it “opens.” But in English, it’s more common to hear people say the rainy season “closes.” Be careful!I’ve never heard it either of those ways, but okay! Expressions for the weather are totally different depending on what country you’re in. Now then… Mr. Hamiru! In English, what does the term “cat-and-dog weather” refer to? Not to be confused with David Cage’s “masterpiece.” That’s right! Raining cats and dogs. The strongest theory for its origin is that the sound of rain resembles that of dogs and cats fighting. Some other European languages describe bad weather as “dog’s weather,” too. Maaku gains Knowledge +1. Additionally, in Norwegian they say it’s raining witches, and in Polish they say it’s raining frogs.Gonna be honest, being a Norwegian sounds hilarious. Just to say “heavy rain,” as many things fall as there are countries in the world. Oh yeah, over here they say that when a cat washes its face, it rains. I clean my face every day because I like being clean, and lemme tell you, that’s a load of bull.Music: Desire   Uh, I found this on the car. There’s something written on it...This guy is named “Menacing Man,” but his voice actor is stuttering and playing it like he’s quietly freaking out this entire scene.  Hm? Read it.This is really weird. As far as Kaneshiro knows this is some kind of ad. Why would he care what’s on it? Um, but... I said, read it! Yep. Not greed, gluttony. All you people who guessed it was greed were off-base. Now, part of it is that this game’s conception of the sins is kind of warped, but if I squint real hard I can sort of see where they’re coming from, considering Kaneshiro is all about hoarding, rather than actually consuming and depriving. They still have to explain it a bit with that “money-devouring” line though. “You indulge in scamming others with horrendous methods that target minors exclusively. We have decided to make you confess all your crimes with your own mouth. We will take your distorted desires without fail. From, #Millennials...” I-Isn’t this bad…? What of it? I-If something happened to you…! I mean, if the higher-ups find out about this... Don’t waste your time worrying about this useless poo poo. Just keep quiet for now. B-But it’s… posted all around the city… People’re talking about it online too... Grr… If you don’t surpass your quota… I’ll kill you. Y-Yes, sir!    They’ll pay for this…Music: Life Will Change (Instrumental Version)   A good idea, no? Given the theatrical nature of this one, Kaneshiro must surely have been contacted about it. You truly are the brains of this Phantom Thieves operation! Ryuji, you should follow her example! Y’know I’m the one who went postin’ it everywhere, right!? I even had to get all dressed up so they wouldn’t notice me! Come now, we don’t have the time for idle chitchat. Let us get moving. We’re going up against a truly horrible criminal this time… That dick ain’t gonna stop us now that we got our awesome new member! Makoto! You remember how all this works? Once we steal the Treasure, the Palace will crumble and the Palace ruler’s heart will change. Wow, you got that quick! I think Ruji’s still struggling to comprehend it all... Evil adults are nothing more than garbage, and I am no better… I will resolve this, I swear it! Sounds like you’re fired up! All right, Joker! Give us the signal!  For today, we’ll be using Ryuji, Morgana, and Makoto. We want both Morgana and Makoto for healing, but as for why we’re using Ryuji over Yusuke… well, Ryuji has Tarukaja, which is great, but there’s one more reason. We’ll get into that later.  Here’s what was in that chest we couldn’t open. A Revenge Mirror replicates Yusuke’s Counter and a Chewing Soul gives 100 SP. I don’t consider this terribly worth it, so I reload after opening it.    He was waitin’ for us!Music: Blood of Villain  A safe…!? This wasn’t here the last time we came…! He changed the entire room so quickly… Tch, I guess this Palace isn’t a bank for nothing.   Lucky? Don’t be ridiculous. We’re gonna change your heart and make you confess everything you’ve done. That’ll save all those people who’re suffering ‘cause of your lovely actions. Even the police’re strugglin’ to deal with you, so this’ll make the public believe in us too! Those in power work the ones below them to the bone for money. Such is the hierarchy of the world. Just accept your fate as a source of my wealth! We’ll never agree to that! And hierarchy? You have to be out of your mind. All of that was forced on me too, you know!? I went through poo poo until I crawled out of the dregs! Now it’s my turn to profit on everyone else! Still! Don’t you think you’re getting back at the wrong people? What a pitiful man. It doesn’t matter whether you’re clean or dirty! Only the clever come out on top! The strong and the smart devour the weak. That is the natural order of things. You drat brats who think you know the world through the poo poo you read online will make perfect prey. Hmph. He is utterly hopeless. It’s always the fools who get tricked! Fools who have to pay for their foolishness. And if those fools don’t learn, well they have to suck it up and stay as plain, stupid fools! Will you just shut it already!? I guess there’s not much point saying anything to you fools! This is where my gracious lecture ends. Now then, I hope you’re ready to work as slaves here for the rest of your lives. That’s outrageous!   Boss: Junya Bael Kaneshiro           Uhhh…  You filthy fly on dirty money… Get the hell out of my face!These are certainly lines of dialogue.  Music: Keeper of Lust Huh, that’s not the usual track.   Cry all yeh want, but I ain’t gonna forgive yeh! They’re naive, they’re reckless, and on top of that, they don’t even realize how stupid they are. Now I couldn’t just sit back and not cash in on those idiots, right? Okay, so the explanation of “Bael” is a little complicated. Bael, or “Baal,” was a goetic prince of Hell. This version, however, is a lot closer to the similar (or identical, based on your source) figure Beelzebub, which means “Lord of the Flies” (yes, that is where the name of that book came from). German bishop and theologian Peter Binsfield’s classification of demons associated Beelzebub with the deadly sin of gluttony, and here we are.  For this fight we’ll be using pretty much unfailingly the Flauros Ari fused. We might switch to Matador once or twice for Media, but it’s one of our best Physical attackers, and it knows Tarukaja and Rakunda.  Bael gets two actions, but his health pool is rather tiny. He’ll start generally by using Evil Touch to inflict Fear, and attack physically. Makoto’s Energy Shower gets rid of Fear easily enough, so it’s nothing to worry about.  No more games then. I ain’t gonna forgive yeh punks for this. That’s our line! You had better be prepared! He can also use Eiga or Maeiga to inflict Curse damage. It’s still rather pathetic unless you have a Curse-weak Persona equipped.  Keep at it, Joker! Corner him! D-Dammit…! Yeh goddamn punks…! Show no mercy! Let’s finish him!  Looks like I gotta bring out my big guns…! You’re all buzz and no bite! Hehehe… We’ll see about that… Time to roll out…! Here he is… My guardian robot!Music: Blooming Villain Oh, there it is.    A pig!? It ain’t a pig, yo! This is my Palace’s swine-model defensive mechanoid, Piggytron! Goin’ against me’s a real bad crime, yeh know? It’s time for yeh all to go to hell! Dammit…! I didn’t expect he’d have something like this up his sleeve! Joker! Make sure you have us regroup if you think we’re at a disadvantage! That thing’s a giant… If it attacks us while we’re at low stamina, we won’t survive!We’re now in the meat of this fight. And before we really get into it, I should say: this is the easiest boss in the game. That’s not to say it’s impossible to die, but once you know how to deal with his bullshit he’s trivial to counter, and some of his moves seem just designed for Makoto to handle. Sure, I had less trouble with Kamoshida, but that’s as a veteran Persona player who knows about debuffs and had a Persona selection to complement that. Here, we’re just using Flauros, because we don’t have a Persona with Tarunda and to take advantage of his Rakunda and great Strength (Evade Phys and his null Fire affinity also help a lot). Tarunda would be really nice to have, because this boss does, admittedly, hit like a truck. Perhaps we should have upgraded our frankly pretty lovely armor, though he does shitloads of damage even to Makoto, who starts with better gear than any of us have. But as long as we got Morgana to level 24 for Diarama, and brought both him and Makoto, we’re loving golden. I said Media was useless recently, and that’s not entirely true. It’s still useful to have someone topping up multiple people with low health just in case. Diarama is still going to be our bread and butter though. For some context: I fought this boss four times (which will explain why the screenshots differ so heavily from the video). The first time I actually killed him too quickly and had to reload so I could show more of the fight, the second time is the take you’ll see in the video, the third time was because I realized I forgot to buy that loving aojiru and had to rerecord, and the fourth time was to test some stuff I hadn’t tried for the purpose of better explaining the fight.  Thankfully, this form of the boss only gets one turn.  Metabolic Wave sends Piggytron crashing into the ground, causing damage to the entire party.   Ocular Vulcan does a ton of damage to one party member.  Were yeh talkin’ about me too when you said that? If you were… Imma tear yeh all to shreds!Imma fix piggytron Go, Piggytron! Super VIP Fooorm!     Piggytron is now spinning, preparing to roll into us. We keep attacking it.  On the next turn, it begins spinning even faster. It’s definitely about to hit us, and attacking it didn’t make it stop.  On the next turn...  \Yikes.  Now, you may be thinking, “I’ll just guard that attack. That’s why they give you two turns to prepare, right?” And that’s one way to deal with that… though I can’t recommend it. In my infinite wisdom, on the fourth attempt I mentioned earlier, I thought to see if it was possible to survive being steamrolled by guarding. Well, it is. But only just barely. It does upwards of ~400 damage to each party member, and guarding should about halve that. Let’s look at Morgana, who has both the lowest HP and the lowest Endurance in the party. He currently, at level 25, has 240 HP. Unguarded, it did about 550 to him vs 400 for the others. Now, while the other party members were able to guard and survive with HP that didn’t even approach the critical range, from about 80-120 left (and that 80 wasn’t even from full health), Morgana was left with only sixteen. Considering Morgana is critical to trivializing this fight (unless you want to bring Yusuke or Ann instead and make Joker the other primary healer, which would take a lot longer still because that’s way less Rakunda going out), and he only barely manages to survive even while guarding, I don’t think it’s a viable strategy, especially because you probably won’t be at full health for that attack and RNG may very well determine if he survives it at all. Again, you could probably Tarunda this, but I didn’t have that option, and while Rakukaja from Makoto is great, it only affects one person (and Makoto should probably be healing anyway).  So, what do you do? Well, you can try to guard the first one and wait for the game to tell you what to do on the next use of Super VIP Form… or if you press left or right on the D-pad, you can switch targets to Kaneshiro, who has quietly become targetable. I forgive you if you didn’t notice this, because he’s barely loving visible. Let’s do that instead.  Kaneshiro, with his HP pool reduced even further, gets knocked off in a few hits.   He is then flattened by Piggytron when it rolls over him. Now, as Kaneshiro is not the real boss here, this is completely meaningless in terms of progression, but it’s kind of funny I guess.  He then gets back inside.   Missile Party deals considerable Fire damage to the entire party (which is why we didn’t bring Yusuke) and has a chance to inflict Burn.  What’s the plan? Should we knock him off like earlier, or do you want to find another way out? As you know, Kaneshiro is a money monger. Tossing an expensive item his way might draw his attention and serve as a distraction…! Let’s give it a try, Joker! It’s your call what item we throw! All right, Joker! Time to get that bastard lookin’ over here! This is the single most worthless one of these special actions in the game, and the one most people cite when saying the mechanic feels half-baked.    A few things here: I have no idea how the game decides what is and is not an acceptable item. All I know is that there’s no point in ever trying any of the “I’m not sure” items, because to my knowledge they always fail. Here, Ryuji will always provide an item that will pique Bael’s interest, but I don’t know why some items are in the pool and some aren’t. One time, one of the “bad” items was a loving Soul Food, an item that completely restores your SP. Another time, one of the cheap items was a Recover Oil, an item that serves the exact same function as a Hiranya (curing all status effects on one ally), which is in the “expensive” pool. My only guess is that it’s based on how much the item sells for. Either way, I’m not willing to part with a Hiranya, so I use Morgana’s Life Stone.   Ngh, he’s not interested at all… Do we need to use something worth a little more…?It doesn’t work.  My Piggytron’s gonna lose…? No, that’s impossible! It’s already been decided… You are going down.  This has a chance to inflict the entire party with Fear. It’s also gross. As my good friend Freakazoid once said, “I don’t wanna go down into the sewer. It smells like poo gas.”   On the next go around, we get a Magic Ointment (reflects one magic attack). What the hell, let’s throw it.      Th-This’ll make us a fortune! drat good find, yo! D-Did it work…!? We don’t need to worry about getting rushed now! Nice work, Joker! Maybe I can pick up a girl or two once I pawn this thing off... Kaneshiro’s completely engrossed… Attack him while he’s off guard! It’s only right that a money monger like him is destroyed by money!It only incapacitates Bael for two turns, after which he’ll go right back to attacking. If you’re really getting your rear end kicked, I guess it might be handy, but otherwise there’s absolutely no reason to bother with throwing an item. It’s just a waste.   And that’s Bael down. Music: Triumph  Morgana learns Garula to replace Garu.  Ann learns Fire Break, a pretty much worthless skill that negates Fire resistance (except the skill Fire Wall, which adds Fire resistance). On Ann, it’s not quite as bad as usual because she lacks any source of damage outside of Fire, but Break skills are hot garbage across the board.  Finally, Yusuke learns Mind Slice, which deals Medium Physical damage to all enemies with a low chance of Confuse. Arist fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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sorry about the late update but i lost computer privileges for yelling at ari
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Arist posted:I fixed the portraits. unsubscribed
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Oct 9, 2017 18:17
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I assume the sudden jive talk is a badly translated attempt to show Kaneshiro reverting to his low-class roots in a moment of crisis, which is kind of unfortunate in its own way.
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Another thing I should add about his demon form. I that Baal's name was eventully further corrupted in Beelzebub over time. As to why the game did not just call Kaneshiro Beelzebub or Baal (Using another corruption Bael), it appears to be because they wanted Beelzebub and Baal to be playable Personas.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:48
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I can’t help but think of mother 3 when I see the piggytron. Also, to be more comprehensive: Baal is/was the Hebrew/semitic word for “lord”, as well as the title of various semitic gods (notably Hadad.) Baal was also the title of a Philistine god known as Baal Zevuv, which translates to “lord of the flies”; it’s either the actual name, presumably a disease-governing deity, or a terrible Hebrew pun on “Baal Zevul”, roughly “lord of the divine house”. Baal Zevuv became Beelzebub, Baal became Bael, both became distinct demons, and the game mixed them up.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:55
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Also this guy, best antagonist of Stargate
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I can understand how he's gluttony, as in his first appearance you see he's fixated on gaining money to spend it, not to stockpile it. They focus on the spending aspect more than the stockpiling.
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