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Arist posted:You can go ahead, I was gonna mention it in the update but I forgot. i was going to say, she seemed weirdly and randomly crowbar'd in
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Blademaster_Aio posted:...also. This woman is actually a pretty good representation of a victim of domestic abuse. Yeah, the whole "How will he survive without me?" part really felt genuinely unsettling.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Chihaya has some standards at least, since she tells the woman to dump the guy first. Yeah, it seems like she's got talent and cares about people in her own way but can't live without scamming. Shame about that holy stone - I figured it'd save us from instant death. I wonder what she's going to think of #milennials.
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The problem with your idea is that it hinges upon the assumption that she owns a vehicle with tires that can be slashed. Glazius posted:Shame about that holy stone - I figured it'd save us from instant death. Arist didn't show it, but if you check your inventory after the scene where the stone breaks, you'll have three pieces of salt in your inventory. I don't remember off the top of my head, but I think they restore a small bit of SP?
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She's regularly scamming people out of $10,000, she'd better have a loving car.
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Funky Valentine posted:She's regularly scamming people out of $10,000, she'd better have a loving car. 1k, not 10k. 100 yen ~ 1 $ ~ 1 €, give or take and approximating to the closest multiple or ten. E: but still clearly enough for a car, mind you Holy gently caress Maaku owned almost $2k in disposable cash at the start of the last update. It's actually funny staring at your yen total in the endgame and realizing just how much it is. It does explain how the hermit social link in Persona 4 could afford what happened during the final rank up.
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Funky Valentine posted:She's regularly scamming people out of $10,000, she'd better have a loving car. Based off of the fact she lives in Tokyo, she probably has a bicycle instead of a car. We can slash those tires instead. Or maybe a motorcycle. She and Makoto can have races in the middle of the night .
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Or maybe she just takes the train like every other person out there.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Or maybe she just takes the train like every other person out there. Steal her train pass.
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If someone ripped me off I’d vandalize their face before anything else.
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C. Everett Koop posted:If someone ripped me off I’d vandalize their face before anything else. Sure you would, tough guy.
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Arist posted:For context, Hifumi was originally supposed to be a party member. Chihaya meanwhile makes for an interesting constrast with the Moon social link in Persona 3, in that they're both outwardly sort of unpleasant individuals. However, ranking her up is basically mandatory if you want 100% completion in one playthrough.
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Oxxidation posted:Sure you would, tough guy. I would definitely doodle over her face with a sharpie.
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Rangpur posted:Really? Gee, now I'm disappointed we missed out on a rad Shogi-themed dungeon. FWIW I believe most of Hifumi's skills are meant to fall under an umbrella of chess-like strategies, which is why they're kinda all over the place in terms of usage. I don't know enough about shogi to say if that's a sensible or BS-handwaving explanation, but she definitely has one of my favorite confidant schticks. They're named after tactics, but their implementation don't really match anything you'd see in chess/shogi. But they're all useful, which is much more than I can say for Ohya. Also Chihaya at least gives you some sense that she has some morals, whereas Nozomi is... Nozomi.
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Man, I love the goofy answers in this game- not just for the factor to our MC, but for the tangents it causes some of our more out-there party members... particularly Morgana, as moments like this remind us that he isn't as smart as he pretends (although this instance does come off a little more as childish naivete than straight up stupidity). Also, I'm glads we've gotten to Hifumi, because she's pretty much the best.  (and that's in both personality and awarded skills) And Chihaya is... not, but I see her as less evil or assholish and more... well, you'll see. Although it is true that maxing her link is a really good way to get the flexibility of time needed to get all the social links in one go.
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Oxxidation posted:Sure you would, tough guy. you best check yourself, little bitch, unless you want me to remain calm and take this up with the relevant authorities in a measured and respectful manner
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Rangpur posted:Really? Gee, now I'm disappointed we missed out on a rad Shogi-themed dungeon. FWIW I believe most of Hifumi's skills are meant to fall under an umbrella of chess-like strategies, which is why they're kinda all over the place in terms of usage. I don't know enough about shogi to say if that's a sensible or BS-handwaving explanation, but she definitely has one of my favorite confidant schticks. well going by the MO of dungeons so far (as opposed to P4 dungeons), she wouldnt have gotten one anyway
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Funky Valentine posted:I wonder where they'd squeeze the Palace for recruiting Hifumi on the calendar. Maybe a bit spoilerish but not really: There are a couple of time skips near the end of the game that maybe could have been reduced to accommodate an extra dungeon
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Rangpur posted:Chihaya meanwhile makes for an interesting constrast with the Moon social link in Persona 3, in that they're both outwardly sort of unpleasant individuals. However, ranking her up is basically mandatory if you want 100% completion in one playthrough. Chihaya isn't Moon, that's Mishima. Chihaya's tarot hasn't been revealed yet, though it's kind of a no-brainer.
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Funky Valentine posted:I wonder where they'd squeeze the Palace for recruiting Hifumi on the calendar. they could dump Yusuke and replace him with a good character, and swap his dungeon and scenario with good variants
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Keeping in mind that Hifumi was scrapped pretty early, and by general nature of her S-Link her dungeon would have probably been Kaneshiro. One can identify common themes between Makoto and Hifumi and that's where most of her PT aspects seemingly diverted as development ran along. Potentially slight spoilers but I tried to keep them vague enough, Arist may delve deeper at relevant time.
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Materant posted:Chihaya isn't Moon, that's Mishima. Chihaya's tarot hasn't been revealed yet, though it's kind of a no-brainer.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Also Chihaya at least gives you some sense that she has some morals, whereas Nozomi is... Nozomi. Nozomi makes me wonder how much of it was the Social Link being a new feature, and how much was the writer being "lol fat people are awful".
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amigolupus posted:Nozomi makes me wonder how much of it was the Social Link being a new feature, and how much was the writer being "lol fat people are awful". that wasn't what his link was about.
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cdyoung posted:that wasn't what his link was about. I remember his link ending was okay, but I thought about half of his social link scenes gave him an uncharitable impression. I'm just comparing him to how P4 handled Hanako and how the writing really didn't do them any favors.
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Part 63: 7/1-7/3: Mishima’s Getting Arrested For Fraud Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)   Music: Everyday Days   A legendary female pope, huh? Do you think she really existed?Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)   I want something filling, but with summer coming up I’m worried about having too many calories… Why don’t we get tea? The diner in Shibuya serves Frui-Tea. It smells good, it’s great for your skin, and it totally increases your charm! Frui-Tea? What a cute name! Sounds yummy! Being stylish starts from the inside out, after all. Guess I’ll try some. Frui-Tea, huh… Sounds like a hip drink that’s real popular with the ladies. You want to try some? I see… Well, you should keep an open mind. If it tastes good and makes you more stylish, might as well, right? It might be a good idea to boost your charm by drinking Frui-Tea whenever you’re at the diner.Music: So Boring   A variety of heroes battling for dominance—truly an epic time. Charismatic rulers and warlords with the command of a thousand men may have their own appeal… ...But personally, I think that the strategists who support them can’t be ignored. Now then, Hamiru-kun. In the book, Zhuge Liang of Shu is famous for his exploits during the Battle of Red Cliffs… ...But do you know what Chinese dish Zhuge Liang is credited for inventing? I’ve never heard of half of these! That’s right. The answer is baozi. At the time, one region would use a person’s head as an offering to quell an overflowing river. But Zhuge Liang made a baozi in the shape of a head as a substitute.Maaku gains Knowledge +1. These days, you can find baozi with cute faces on them. If you think about their origin, it’s not too off the mark. I never knew strategists came up with cooking, and not just strategies...Music: Tokyo Daylight  The target should be in Mementos. Let’s hurry up and deal with ‘em. We’re not going to deal with them until after the next block opens. Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)    Maaku gains Charm +1 and Knowledge +2. Music: Beneath the Mask   Popular idol Rise Kujikawa is releasing a new song! This time, the theme is “mature love”!  She’s really gained a lot of sex appeal since she hit 20. And look at how sexy her outfit is, too.Aww, good for Rise. Bad for her that people are still creeps, though.   ...You understood what I told you last time, right? And you still want to request me? >Call her over Fine… I guess I’ll have to talk to you properly about it. Just wait for me there.Music: Alright (Elp Version)  I told you that the story about my sick little sister was a lie… You know you’re being used for money… and you still request me?  Are you… an extreme masochist or something? You really are one strange kid… I’m a mediocre teacher and a mediocre maid… And yet, you listen to everything I have to say… ...You’re the complete opposite of me. I don’t even properly attend to my students’ needs. …… ...An “apology.” There was a student named Takase at the school I taught at before Shujin. Takase-kun was considered a problem child, since he had the lowest grades and skipped school a lot. So I was put in charge of guiding him… or rather, pushing him to transfer to another school. But when I got to know him, I realized that he wasn’t a problem child after all. ...In fact, he was working several part-time jobs just so he could cover his living expenses. His relatives took him in when his parents died, so he had to make money to support himself. He couldn’t attend school every day, but he was motivated to study. That’s why I decided to tutor him. After I started working with him, his grades started to improve, slowly but surely. But I was told that it was wrong to only help certain students and not others… Then a strange rumor about him being a juvenile delinquent began to circulate. And on top of that, I got called into the principal’s office… He threatened me… saying that I’d be dismissed if I continued to tutor Takase-kun.Yikes.   But you could say the same about me. I got scared… of losing my job, and of having rumors spread about me. So… I canceled our upcoming tutoring sessions… Takase-kun was on his way to one of his part-time jobs when I told him…Uh-oh. Out of all days, it was New Year’s Eve, and it had been pouring rain all day… And… he died in a car crash.Well… gently caress. This got absurdly depressing.  Music: Confession/Secret He sounded so depressed when I told him that I couldn’t tutor him anymore… But then he said that it was no big deal because he had to work anyway, so I wouldn’t feel bad. If only I had kept my promise to him... Takase-kun was exhausted from the tutoring sessions and working at all his part-time jobs… His guardians blamed me for the accident, saying it was all my fault that he was so tired… They said that they were going to sue me and take the issue to the media and Board of Education. I wouldn’t have been accused of a crime, but if word had gotten out, the school would’ve been done for. ...I wanted to continue teaching, no matter what. So I ended up paying them the “apology” money so they wouldn’t sue me or say anything. It was my indecisiveness that backed him into a corner, and I blame myself every day. I know paying them isn’t going to bring him back, but it’s the only way I can atone for my sins.That’s some hot bullshit. It seems like his guardians are satisfied with our arrangement, so...  I have to keep my distance to avoid hurting others, so I don’t meddle in my students’ lives. I’ve been coming here because of a random twist of fate, but we should say goodbye as well. Hamiru-kun… You’re really not the type to back down, are you? Haha… I guess we’re in this together, now that I told you the whole story, right? ...Yeah. I’ll see what I can do about the other teachers so you can get free periods with them, too.Oh yeah, those free periods you’ve been giving me have been so helpful, all zero of them. ...I look forward to continuing our relationship. I feel like my relationship with Kawakami has deepened... All righty, time to clean. I’m going to put more energy into it than usual today! ♥ A mild cough? Welp, it’s been nice knowing you Kawakami. Oh my, this room is sooo dusty! Even though I wipe the place squeaky clean every visit… Well, I guess it’s all for you, Master. I’ll work hard to earn my keep! ♥ It’s worse than I thought. She clearly has days to live. Oh, uh, wooow! It’s so dusty! If my cough is already this bad… Maybe we’d be better off tearing this place down than trying to clean it? Well, the shabbi-- I mean, chicness of this room is truly its charm, so let’s keep it as-is! All right, I have to go. ♥ I’ll be eagerly awaiting your next request, Master! ♥ Music: My Homie    Mr. Ushimaru, please come to the faculty office at once. What…? I don’t know what business this is… ...You better study on your own until I return! Wasn’t that Kawakami on the PA? There’s no way that announcement was real… It must have been the signal! Kawakami’s graciously given us this free time, so we’d better put it to good use. So, what’s the plan? We finally get some time off in class. This isn’t scripted, we just got extremely lucky that an opportunity arose the day after we unlocked this Confidant ability. Reading lets us read a book, making infiltration tools lets us craft (and gives us Proficiency, as per usual), sleeping gives us points in a random Confidant (including story-based ones like Igor and ones that don’t require points like Tora or Mishima, both of which end up being useless) or, apparently, points in a random stat, and studying on your own gives you Knowledge.  We’ll finish The Illusory Popess.   Maybe the people of that era made up this mysterious female pope, but she’s an inspirational figure. Pope Johanna, loved by so many… Reading about her must have taught you the value of forgiveness…Maaku gains Kindness +3. Ah! The teacher’s back…! Phew, that was close. Kawakami helped us get a good chunk of free time though!Music: Tokyo Daylight   Um, about our trip to the red-light district. Do you have time today? So, what’s it going to be? Do you want to hang out with Makoto? Great. Let’s meet up after we change out of our uniforms. Well, I’m gonna go take a walk while you’re busy with her. Let me know when you’re ready to leave.Music: Alright (Elp Version)  Yep, good ol’  Apparently this place was a hotbed for criminals and illegal immigrants before they installed surveillance cameras… I heard there were quite a few brothels as well.  This is the first time I’ve actually been here myself though. Regardless, it’s become far safer now than it used to be. Of course, the surveillance cameras played a substantial role in that… But it was mainly thanks to the police efforts to clean up the area. Even so, there’s no way to eradicate crime entirely. It seems the operations nowadays are only better hidden… Anyway, seeing is believing, yes? Come on, let’s have a look around. …… Countless men tried to start conversations with her...Music: Wicked Plan  That guy was so persistent… He must have been a scout for a hostess club. He mentioned how “his girls” get paid a lot to wear cute dresses… All I wanted was to ask if any Shujin students worked there… but he nearly dragged me inside with him. If you hadn’t been there to rescue me, I…  I’m glad nobody had to get hurt though. Hm, I guess that’s how they do it… I’ve learned something new today. Oh, and thanks again. It seems you have a knack for helping me out. I hope I can do the same for you someday. I can feel quiet motivation from Makoto... And we get Baton Pass for Makoto. That aside… Even though this is a shopping district, there are absolutely no students around here. And definitely no Shujin students… though I guess they wouldn’t come in uniform either way. Well then... Hm…?   Music: Suspicion I used to be in the same class as her! But why is she here…?  I’m not sure… but it seems suspicious. I’ll have to ask her about it. Oh, and I’d like you to be there too, as my witness. Would that be OK? *nods* Well, we’ve spent quite a bit of time here. Let’s head back to the station. Thank you for today.Music: Beneath the Mask  The Japan Meteorological Agency announced that the rainy season is expected to end next weekend. It feels so gross when it’s this humid. I also really miss the sun... Mishima moves to Shinjuku for some reason after a certain point in the story.  And that Ohya-san? She’s the devil incarnate! It was horrible!Hehehe, awesome.  She’s pretty, but super scary too. Though the drag queen she hangs out with is even scarier…Lala-chan is a perfect soul and I won’t hear this insensitivity. But anyway, I did my best to promote the Phantom Thieves! Remember that when you’re reading a glowing article about you guys, OK? So, you did the request I asked you to do. Thanks! Hey, so I figured out another way I can help as your strategic management representative. It’s a great deal for you, of course. Are you free today? We’ll be going to an expensive buffet over in Shibuya. *chuckle* Don’t worry about the price though! Come on, follow me!Music: My Homie  Phantom thieves are all about fancy stuff like this, right? That’s why we’re here! Oh, and it’s just the two of us, so don’t be afraid to go all out! What do you wanna eat?  Yeah, sure, whatever you say. By the way, this place is all-you-can-eat, so let’s make sure we get our money’s worth. Anyway, I posted on the Phan-Site that I had connections to you guys. The Phandom really ate that up.  I did end up talking about how expensive it is to run our little organization though. The donations I got after that were pretty… generous, to say the least. Oh jeez, Mishima… But I guess our loving sponsors just wanted to show some support! Not bad for strategic management, huh? What do you mean? Everyone was glad to donate if it meant supporting the Phantom Thieves. Speaking of which, the bill for our meal here is a fine place to start taking advantage of that support. I’ve seen on the news that using donations for stuff other than what’s publicized is a serious crime…Your only thought here is that you might get in trouble? Jesus, Mishima. Food is definitely an acceptable business expense… but can the same be said of an expensive buffet…? The more I think about this whole thing, the less I think we should use the donations here. I mean, people would get mad at a politician for using tax money for personal affairs. The same probably applies to the Phantom Thieves. I guess returning the money would be the best choice... Yeah. We really need to make sure we keep the image of the Phantom Thieves clean in our fans’ minds. I think I’ll return the money and thank the Phandom for their generosity. They’ll love that! It might be a waste of some nice resources, but it’s all good as long as it boosts our popularity, right? Man, maybe I was born to do this strategy stuff… I’m honestly getting pretty good at it.Right. Don’t worry, I’m still gathering info on the forum too. I actually have a few solid leads right now. Everything so far has been close to home, but these next ones are gonna blow your socks off! Mishima seems particularly enthusiastic today... So if we’re returning the money… how are we gonna cover our meal? …… I’m flat broke... I guess let’s just go home.Every day with Mishima is a disappointment.  Huh…? Who could that be at this hour…?Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)   We’ve been busy lately, so I wanna be able to at least relax on Sunday. Where would be a good place to go…? I know. Wanna try going to the fishing pond in Ichigaya? The fishing pond, huh? Sounds fun! So are you going there with Ryuji? Sure, why not?  I hope the other fish’ll bite this easily! Let’s meet in Shinjuku tomorrow then. Night. They have lots of fish at the pond, right? I can’t wait! The Ichigaya fishing pond lets us fish in our free time. I didn’t accept or didn’t receive this invitation in my first playthrough and never ended up unlocking this, though there are other ways. We probably won’t end up revisiting this place, so I should mention that we get Proficiency for fishing, and our current Proficiency determines how many times we can fish. There’s a trophy for catching the biggest fish, but again, we won’t be bothering.  Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)   Hey, doesn’t meetin’ in a place like this look like we’re talkin’ some shady business…? I like it.  Man, this is getting’ me pumped up! If only there was a master fisher around. Then we could steal their ideas... ...Oh crap, she’s comin’ this way.  Why are you sitting around like old men? Why don’t you go out and do something more exciting? Wha—Look who’s talkin’! *sigh* Adults need time to themselves to unwind and clear their thoughts. You’ll understand soon enough, when you start working in the real world. Wow… Soundin’ real old there, Kawakami. That’s MS. Kawakami to you! She’s hookin’ fish like crazy…! It’s easy. Just clear your mind and free yourself from negative thoughts. So the trick is not to think! ...How am I supposed to do that? I see. So when you get jaded like Kawakami, you’ll just naturally attract fish… ...Uhh, I don’t think that’s right. It’s a nice, sunny Sunday. I didn’t think I’d be stuck fishing with you two on my day off. *sigh* Two troublemakers, and their no-good teacher… I guess we’re perfect for each other. She keeps gettin’ fish even as she nags… I’m impressed!  Once again, it’s MS. Kawakami. Didn’t think I’d see somethin’ like that today… Guess we’ll head back.We got a bunch of points with both Ryuji and Kawakami, so that was a productive enough day. Music: Beneath the Mask   They’re selling ten cans of Freeze Spray for 3980 yen, which we buy.  Mishima has a new request for us to complete before we can rank him up again.   The truth is, a younger student came to consult with me about something the other day. Right!? From what he told me, money went missing from the register he was supposed to be in charge of. As such, he’s been falsely accused of stealing money from the store. Yeah, this guy is like the most honest person I know. There’s now way he’d steal all that money. And well, I did some research into the store online… According to some rumors, the manager might be the one stealing the money… He’s the only person who checks the registers, after all… On top of that, some other staff members saw him taking cash out when he was calculating totals. Anyway, the guy’s name seems to be Nozomi Odo. I found it out when I looked into the store. Please, you gotta help this student! So the manager himself is taking the money, and then blackmailing the kid to pay him for it… That’s a dirty trick. Let’s talk about it at the hideout when we have the chance, OK?  Next, we head over to buy our aojiru. I don’t know how it’s making me kinder when every time I buy it I want to punch someone. Maaku gains Kindness +1.   How’s your schoolwork? I’m scheduled to give a speech today, but one thing about it will be different… I could use your help, as usual. Do you mind? There will be cameras coming today, apparently. I don’t feel good about that, but I couldn’t decline… Regardless, we will do as we have always have [sic] done.Music: What’s Going On?     OK, we should be able to get a lot of interesting footage. It IS No-Good Tora, after all. Advocate an overly optimistic policy, only to lure in voters during the election season… That’s how No-Good Tora thought and operated 20 years ago, making unachievable pledges. Hm, this isn’t how I saw this going… If you make a promise, you must keep it. If you make a mistake, you must atone for it. These are basic human principles that we have all learned from the youngest of ages… Boring. He’s making some pretty good points, don’t you think? That’s why it’s all useless! Tora, be my best friend However, I’ve been distancing myself from that. Do you think I’ve regained my confidence? Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)  However, I will never forget the disgrace I suffered as No-Good Tora. Can I tell you a story? I mentioned this before, but 20 years ago I was lucky enough to become a Diet member. However, I wanted to be a politician for all the wrong reasons. I wanted to be in a position of power, and I was obsessed with the glamorous lifestyle. I thought only of being popular. I truly was “No-Good Tora”… Learn from me. Don’t let being a member of the Diet be your only goal in life. Voters are much more sensible than we give them credit for. Being ambitious and striving to advance in the political world will change your outlook on life. Yoshida eagerly gave me advice… I feel like my bond with Yoshida is growing deeper... I never ask for items so Manipulation isn’t great.  You’re… Mr. Kuramoto’s grandson? That’s correct. I’m his grandson, Benzo. Does he know that you’re here speaking with me now? I’m aware that you and my grandfather are on bad terms, but that doesn’t concern me. This must be your secretary, huh? I heard he’s been helping you out a lot lately. You know about him? My grandfather was recently hospitalized, and you’ve become the topic of our conversations. I’d like to talk with you again sometime. I learned a lot from your speech today.   Sorry, I have to take care of some business. Let’s wrap this up for today. I feel like listening to Yoshida’s speech has served to increase my Charm…Maaku gains Charm +3. Good job.
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What the hell, Mishima, that's OUR Patreon cash.
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I'm actually super impressed that Atlus actually thought to have situations where your Confidants can interact with each other in meaningful ways. As with the last time when Ann and Makoto talked, it really fleshes them out to make them feel like real people instead of just caricatures.
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I kinda feel like Kawakami's story is just a bit too overwrought. No need for the part time job stuff, just say you were tutoring him, he got stressed, ran out on you, and died in a car crash. I like the idea though, and I like how Kawakami immediately goes back to refusing to do any work, with a new justification. Pope Joan's whole schtick (well, besides not being real, at all) was that she gave birth during a sermon or something: not sure where the "everyone loved her" part comes from, but I guess she doesn't make a good role model without it? Fishing is dumb and bad (in game, that is: fishing in real life is awesome), but I guess it's just expected that an rpg has it, at this point. Never saw that scene before, it's a good bit of characterization for Kawakami and Ryuji. Jen X fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Accept the grim reality of society for true fishing prowess. Accept it goddamnit.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:10
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See, what you do for the fishing is this: Spend a whole bunch of game days just fishing until you get the trophy for the biggest fish. Commit to doing only that. Reload your save to just before you started your fishing spree. You'll still have unlocked the trophy.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:53
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Kawakami's story is like 3 or 4 different extremely annoying awful cultural tropes all bundled up into a big ball of stupid. "Someone got killed in an accident I had nothing to do with, after I delivered some bad news to them, which I was only complicit in, and not an active agent in causing. So it's totally my fault and I have to pay blood money to the family forever."
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Oct 18, 2017 20:54
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Gotta hammer home the idea that the world sucks and there's no justice and it's every person for him or herself, etc., yadda yadda yadda
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Oct 18, 2017 21:04
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RabidWeasel posted:Kawakami's story is like 3 or 4 different extremely annoying awful cultural tropes all bundled up into a big ball of stupid. "Someone got killed in an accident I had nothing to do with, after I delivered some bad news to them, which I was only complicit in, and not an active agent in causing. So it's totally my fault and I have to pay blood money to the family forever." That's Japanese (and East Asian in general) cultural tropes for you!  I kinda got used to it after seeing it way too many times in anime and some Chinese dramas my family watches.Arist posted:
Jiaozi is the pinyin rendering of the Mandarin word for dumplings. Japanese would know them as gyoza, the Japanese reading of the Chinese hanzi (or kanji in Japanese) used to write the word. Baozi is again the pinyin rendering of the Mandarin word for buns, effectively. You know, the Chinese bakery staple of bread with some sort of filling inside, or sometimes the lidded buns sandwiching some sort of filling, usually meat like pork belly or Peking duck. The Japanese wholeheartedly imitated the practice, and some would say improved on it. Arist posted:
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GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Oct 18, 2017 22:35
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That was just a line referencing how often in Yakuza people explicitly call Kamurocho "the largest entertainment district in the East." Shinjuku in P5 is pretty small.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:32
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RabidWeasel posted:Kawakami's story is like 3 or 4 different extremely annoying awful cultural tropes all bundled up into a big ball of stupid. "Someone got killed in an accident I had nothing to do with, after I delivered some bad news to them, which I was only complicit in, and not an active agent in causing. So it's totally my fault and I have to pay blood money to the family forever." The important part is this bit: Arist posted:
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Oct 18, 2017 23:44
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GeneX posted:I kinda feel like Kawakami's story is just a bit too overwrought. No need for the part time job stuff, just say you were tutoring him, he got stressed, ran out on you, and died in a car crash. I like the idea though, and I like how Kawakami immediately goes back to refusing to do any work, with a new justification. Well, that's kinda this game's whole thing, isn't it? On the one hand, it wants to touch upon serious subjects like abuse, corruption, and the neglect of the poor and destitute by the more fortunate ... but on the other hand, it's also a picaresque melodrama in which both the villains and their victims are meant to be symbols rather than relatable characters, sort of how Fantine in Les Miserables is meant to represent all of the put upon women of society, but Les Mis isn't exactly a melodrama (although it had a lot of melodramatic elements). So what you have is a villain like Madarame, meant to be a stand-in for the greater ills of plagiarism and exploitation of students, as almost this gross parody who was singlehandedly responsible for everything bad that happened in Yusuke's life, and you have Kawakami, with her lost student and subsequent exploitation by that students guardians, meant to less be a stand-in for anything in particular except the themes of the arcana associated with her, which we will get to I presume, when her link is finished. Honestly, whether it works or doesn't is up to you... and I would never presume to say that this particular mixing of themes is perfect, not when there is a so much better example in the Yakuza series over yonder, in nearly every way that counts. But for me, I would say that it mostly works, or that it does in Kawakami's particular case. I find that it does dovetail into the themes of the Temperance card pretty well, and moreover, I appreciate the paradigm shift incorporated into the writing of this SL: when I first met Kawakami, I thought she didn't want me to be in her class because she believed the rumors about me, or otherwise didn't care enough to say different...but now we learn it's because I served as a reminder of her greatest failure and where everything went wrong for her, and the profession she used to love turned into a millstone around her neck. It had nothing to do with me... well, yes it did, but not in the way I thought. I find that to be a good incorporation of the theme of things not being as they seem... and of course, it provides us with even more villains tainting the worlf through their villainy. I don't really know where people are getting the idea that the world is fundamentally cruel and unjust, when the message of the game seems to me to be that the only thing cruel and unjust about the world is people like Kamoshida, and Madarame, and Kaneshiro, and these awful fuckers leeching off Kawakami. Just my two cents, anyway.
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Oct 19, 2017 00:19
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