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Power Bottom posted:The Spinner was significantly cooler in the Freelance Astronauts LP. 
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The rod of dominion at least gave you a hearty chuckle the first time you accidentally used a statue to bonk yourself on the head.
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Ah, instant death. I suppose it's a reason to focus down whatever can cast it.
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The best use of the Spinner was in Hyrule Warriors. I also wonder how many Nocturne veterans mentally poo poo themselves when Mot showed up in this dungeon before they remembered this game doesn't use the Press Turn system.
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Glazius posted:Ah, instant death. I suppose it's a reason to focus down whatever can cast it. Isis is a random enemy in this dungeon and she nulls both light and dark, while Anubis will only use light and dark skills, even if out of SP. In my playthrough when faced with Anubis I killed everything else, switched to Isis, activated rush and went to make a sandwich while Joker whittled them down. The party auto-resses at 1 HP outside of battle, so it was far more SP efficient to heal them afterwards than anything else.
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Glazius posted:Ah, instant death. I suppose it's a reason to focus down whatever can cast it. Yep. And the bad thing is, you don't have anything at this level that can block out both Hama and Mudo, making every fight kind of a crapshoot on whether or not you can take Anubis down or not before he gets either off- which can be difficult, given that he has no weaknesses, leaving only crits to knock him down. Though this is (partially) made up for by the voice they designated for him. You can take or leave the setting of this Palace, but I take it, as it is a place in which I can hear Great Anubis, Shepard and Guardian of the Dead, he who weighs the hearts and one of the oldest and most revered figures in the Egyptian pantheon, open a battle with our heroes by snarling "Come at me, clownshoes!" at you. If that isn't the most SMT thing, I dunno what is.
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Part 77: 7/26: Technicolor Dream Pyramid Before we get back into the Palace, let’s fuse! Music: Aria of the Soul  First is Zouchouten from Ame-no-Uzume and Clotho.   My power to encourage growth in all that worships me shall become a mask and protect your soul... Zouchouten is one of the Four Heavenly Kings of Buddhist faith, who each watch over one cardinal direction and fight evil. Zouchouten himself guards the South and leads the troop of Kumdhandas and Pretas.  Next, Lilim from Principality and Nue.   I’ll leave the realm of dreams for a while and become your mask... Lilim are daughters of Lillith from Jewish folklore and similar to succubi.  And here’s where I gently caress up. See, I forgot that I needed to get Anzu to level 28 for Dekaja (it’s currently about halfway to 27 or so) and decide to start fusing up Neko Shogun anyway. Kodama is one of the constituent parts of Neko Shogun, so I fuse it first (using Agathion and Berith).   I’ll turn into a mask and head on out with you! I’m gonna echo inside your heart, bro… Wahoo!  A Kodama is a spirit from Japanese folklore that live in trees. Cutting down trees with a kodama inside is thought to bring misfortune.  Finally, Neko Shogun using the Group Guillotine from Anzu, Kodama, and Sudama.   Your future shines bright like a diamond! I am your mask now! "A prophetic taoist god, originally known as Mao Shogun. Due to a linguistic error involving the Chinese word for "cat," his name was changed to Neko Shogun." It’s a weird pun, got it. We have to re-fuse this guy later though, which is gonna be pretty annoying. Music: The Days When My Mother Was There  Back in the Palace, another slab.  Huh? What is it talking about? I haven’t the slightest idea. It may be a hint of some kind. I’ve actually played this game all the way through and I had no idea what this meant until I had to literally draw a diagram for the purpose of this LP.    Urghhh, that’s it! I’ve had it up to here with her!    RUN AWAY  I’m sick of this bullshit! What the hell is she thinkin’!?Well, that was unfortunate, but let’s try agai--   Welp  It’s hard to see in this picture, but on the other side of the corridor there’s a space small enough to crawl through. That’s where we need to go.   Wait, what? No. This isn’t gonna work. Like half of this game is desert.   This room contains 12 coffins, 10 of which have control panels next to them. We can’t do anything with them yet.  There’s nothing visible on the slab… What do you think we should do?  Nothing is happening. That’s odd. Is it broken? Or could there be another step to this mechanism? Up ahead, a door and a plank standing upright next to a gap.     Not much of a puzzle there, but the path forward is clear.  Sounds pretty useless to me. Whaddya wanna do, Joker?  Oooh! It’s shinin’! Hm, the devices controlling the murals seemed to react in a similar fashion. Something showed up! It says B01010! That may be a clue of some sort. Either way, we should search to see if anything has changed.  Quite the impressive contraption. Why don’t we examine it closer?   Nice.  It looks like we should be able to turn the holograms on or off by accessing each control panel. Do you think this is related to that code from earlier? The color of this hologram is different as well. It’s blue. That might be pointing us toward what we need to do. Blue… You know, that sounds familiar…Here’s a helpful diagram I made showing which holograms get left on. Yellow is on and white is off:  It’s fairly simple to reason that 0 is off and 1 is on, leading to this pattern when facing the coffins.  Let’s press the button, then.  Ah! The door opened! I suppose this is the first step in the process? The next device must be beyond this point. By the way… what’s up with these things? Are they all because of Futaba-chan’s mental state? It’s hard to say… But it does prove that she might not be as simple a target as we were hoping she’d be... I wonder about the meaning behind that stone slab as well… Hey, our path’s open now. Can we just keep goin’?Shut up Ryuji, we’re trying to be depressed here.  Touching this one will probably activate it too. What do you want to do, Joker?  Woo! It’s lit up now, just like we were expectin’! There are red inscriptions on there this time. They say… R01100 and B10011. If this code is similar to the prior one, these would surely be hints for those buttons. To be honest, it somewhat reminds me of binary. It makes sense, given Futaba-chan’s hacker background. Well then, let’s go see if anything has changed.  Something changed in the room, just like we expected. There should be some connection between that and the code that appeared on the stone slab. Going by the way we solved the last one, it should be this, right? Well...   Enemies spawn.  Just blindly entering whatever you please will be dangerous. We need to be careful, Joker.Not quite, huh?  It’s actually this, because the game is trying to trick you. See, the fact that “R” is before the code tells us that the red coffin needs to go before the pattern, meaning that we have to input it in reverse. It’s surprisingly devious for this game’s generally rather simple puzzles, especially because only takes about two seconds to notice and correct, making me wonder what the point is.   Guys, look! Dude, they ain’t stoppin’! Is this gonna be OK!? The rolling boulders intensify. Ngh…! That only made it worse! D-Do something about this, Joker! Joker just loving kicks it, because what the hell.  Is this what the slab could have meant by “form a path”? ...It’s broken. Well, I guess it would be a little more precise to say we broke it. We can’t get through like this! What’re we gonna do!? Perhaps we could walk over the giant boulders? Let’s try it. Sure enough, Makoto provides the path forward.  We find another beam of light this way as well.  With another mural, to boot.  Then we just gotta touch it and make something happen, yeah? C’mon, let’s try it out. It must be scrambled as well. Let’s use the controls to put it back together.This one involves rotating the pieces, and it’s a bit more annoying than the last one because, as triangles, the pieces rotate with their pair. Still, it’s not a huge problem to overcome.  Is she jumping in front of a car…? Could this be the moment when Futaba’s mother committed suicide…? Hm? Another voice...  ...Y-You… aaaaaareee…  The door unlocks.  That’s horrible… So, did her desire to forget those memories cause her to repress them? We’re pretty far in now, right? This has to be past halfway. Yeah, the Treasure is definitely close. You better be excited! Right idea, wrong Final Fantasy.  Always love when they let you input a name.  Hehe. Huh? What do you mean that’s his real name? That doesn’t make any sense. 2/3 of the game later...  Okay, we’re finally at the Pyramid. Lenna and Galuf are both dead and we need to get the tablet to unlock the Sealed Weapons.  The entrance is guarded by these Gargoyles, who will revive their partner if they’re left alive for too long after its death. We have Butts, our Thief, who lets us steal, sprint at lightspeed, flee, and prevent back attacks, you know, generally useless stuff like that. There’s Faris, our Mystic Knight, who can apply spell properties to her swords. Finally, there’s Krile, our Chemist, who can break the game. Lenna’s currently deceased, but she was our Ninja, who could dual-wield and throw weapons. Our main damage dealer is actually our Thief currently, because he just acquired a weapon called the Chicken Knife that powers up every time we run from a battle, but has a 25% chance of making us flee instead of attack. We can circumvent this by selecting “Mug” instead of “Attack,” however.  And so here we enter the pyramid.  SNAKES I always wanted a snake, but Mom said a pet would be too much work. I think they just gross her out, though.  One fun feature about this dungeon is that it’s chock full of monster-in-a-boxes! Awesome!  *Surreptitiously adds Flee to my abilities so I can get out of this nightmare dungeon without fighting anything because it’s annoying enough to deal with these enemies with a full party*  We enter a maze filled with roaming Mecha Heads.  They’re normally pretty annoying, but Faris’ Thundaga Sword is an instant kill.  Butts, you wimp, the only scary thing about mummies are those review scores wakka wakka  Like the Mecha Heads, these Mummies can also be instantly killed, but with Firaga Sword instead of Thundaga.  The floor here shifts!   Falling down just puts us on the previous floor, though, and lets us grab some other chests.  Oh hey, the tablet! Now we can finally leave this trashfire!  The platform rises!  And suddenly, we’re at the top!     How can you see that? It’s on the other side of the planet.   Well, uh… We don’t have a Summoner, so we’re never, ever gonna do that! Bye!   On the way back, the wind drake drops off Lenna, who’s… alive, I guess? Huh?  But then Exdeath shows up (he’s a tree, remember this, it’ll be on the exam), and there’s a demon in Lenna’s body, and it’s a whole thing.  And then the wind drake swoops down and attacks, expelling the demon, but dying in the process. RIP.  The Pyramid doesn’t actually have a boss fight, so this is kind of it. Melusine’s gimmick is changing her weakness with Barrier Change… and that’s it. It’s more annoying than it sounds. I had to record the entire Pyramid and this fight three times due to recording errors, and on the second time I got through it without any Barrier Changes by using Mix to boost Faris’ level so Firaga Sword, which Melusine starts out weak to, does crazy amounts of damage. This time I wasn’t so lucky, but I still got through it pretty easily.  Also zombie Lenna’s in the party now.  Yeah, I guess you prolly wouldn’t be seein’ anything like this poo poo if we weren’t in a Palace. Seriously. This almost feels like a trip abroad or something. Hey, now’s not the time to be letting your guard down. I can sense lots of Shadows up ahead!  A decent haul.   >Let’s push it.   Further ahead, this sarcophagus is rather suspicious.  That is odd… Why don’t we check it out?If you want… It’s up to you.      Meanwhile, in another room, a different sarcophagus opens.    If we head over to that one, we can press that button as well.  Ah! It moved! Inside, another Anubis, with another gem.  C’mon, let’s just take it with us. We can figure out how to use it later. We near-immediately find a place to put it. Wait, don’t we have a gem now? We should try putting it in here! >Insert the gem This pathway of light is quite impressive. It seems we will be able to pass over it! It’s not gonna disappear while we’re crossing it, right? This is a little scary... While we’re here, Morgana learns Wind Break (bleh) to replace Patra, whatever.   Again, some armor and sellables aren’t terrible.  And our next safe room is right up ahead.  It’d suck if we had to go through hell again ‘cause we walked up to her without thinkin’ first. So… what’s your call? You wanna keep goin’? OK, but we should be careful. We almost did thanks to you! I mean, do you really wanna help us!? Make up your goddamn mind! ...I’m not sure. There’s not much left at this point though.  This is my fault!?Everything is your fault, Ryuji.   THIS IS THE PHARAOH’S TOMB. NONE MAY DISTURB HER SLUMBER. Ngh, we can’t retreat now. We’ll just have to do this!Coffin-borne God Music: Keeper of Lust  This is the exact same fight, but the Coffin-borne God just starts with some helpers this time. It’s mindlessly simple, especially because it’s still weak to Wind.  From that fight Makoto learns Dekunda (eliminates all stat debuffs on the party), a fantastic skill that will be replacing Frei. Music: The Days When My Mother Was There  Can you just try to calm down? Nothing good will come of letting your temper flare up like that. She did say “there’s not much left” though. The end of this Palace may be drawing close. Before we leave this area, climbing into an alcove over on the left side reveals another Anubis statue, hidden rather deviously.  I bet we’re gonna have to use it somewhere. Let’s take it, Joker! >Take the gem OK, we’ve got it now. Let’s go. The way forward is where the light is shining, but there’s no way inside just yet.  Another pedestal.  We already have another one of those gems, do we not? We should try placing it in here. >Let’s give it a try. Hm, this sight brings a tear to my eye yet again! You’re so freakin’ weird, dude... Now we can follow the path of the light.  Next up, jumping across the statues we saw from earlier.   I’d expect so. Joker, if you please. It may be a rather difficult puzzle for us to solve…Not really, no.    More voices… I’m… I’m tired of eating dinner alone all the time. It’s always just convenience store bentos…For those of you who don’t know, a bento is a common, extremely Japanese form of cuisine. It’s basically an entire meal packed into a box, whether takeout or home-packed. Rice is a traditional ingredient, as well as meat and vegetables. I think the closest thing we have to that is like a TV dinner but this doesn’t seem nearly as outrageously bad for you, as well as possibly being homemade. Anyway, back to the sadness! I wanna go somewhere. Take me on a trip! The one clinging to her mother would be Futaba-chan, right? You know I’m working hard to support you, right!? Ugh!  The door unlocks.  Is that the maternity neurosis the voice from earlier mentioned? I thought it was prettty normal for a child to want to spend time with their parents though… Yeah. Looks like Futaba was a pretty lonely kid growin’ up… So these incidents compounded, forcing her mother to suicide…?The only impression I’m getting here is that Futaba’s mom seemed like an awful person.  Huh? I killed her… That’s why I’m here in this tomb… Don’t say that! I will die... Why’d she get so quiet all of a sudden? What happened to that snarky personality!? Could her heart perhaps be growing weaker? We have to hurry and save her!  When last we left off, Steely Dan was seemingly defeated when Jotaro plucked his Stand, The Lovers, out of the air!   Jotaro’s all “I’ll punch you to death if I ever see you again” and Steely Dan’s like, OK.   But Steely Dan’s not done!   Jotaro!  My Stand, The Lovers, just went into her ear! If you don’t want her to get hurt, stand still and let me stab you in the back! I’ll make sure you never move again! *crazy laughter*Steely Dan, you fool, Jotaro’s music is still playing!   Go ahead. Did you not hear me? I told you not to-- Weren’t you gonna stab me? Like this? Why can’t I move? Unbeknownst to Steely Dan, one of Hierophant Green’s strings was attached to The Lovers the whole time, wrapping it up!  And The Lovers gets pulled right out of the girl’s ear!  Forgive me! Ask for forgiveness from Enya, the woman you killed. Forgiving you never even crossed my mind. DIO paid me in advance… You can have it all… Good grief… You really are scum. What you owe can never be paid back with money! Oh poo poo, Quick Time Event, gotta mash Square for the ORAs!   ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA   ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA he ded   Here’s your receipt. He signed his name and it’s badass. All right, what’s next?  Sun!? Ugggghhhhhhh. Music: Suspicion  Hm? This door... It looks familiar... Oh! Futaba’s room! That’s it! Why ain’t it openin’? It must be her cognition that no one can enter it. Beyond lies the Pharaoh’s Chamber. Indeed. However, you need my permission to open this door. Then open it for us. I cannot. You must have her invite you in. What the eff. Ain’t this your Palace?Ryuji, having briefly flirted with the word “gently caress,” decides he doesn’t actually like it after all. What’s she mean, Mona? The Shadow is Futaba, but not Futaba herself. In other words, we need the real Futaba’s permission. So, we need to have Futaba-chan open her room and let us in?  But I remember Boss saying that she won’t let anyone in. Right. She’s a serious shut-in. How will we convince her to allow us entry? Standing around here won’t help. We’ll just have to give it a try… That’s what she wants, after all. I think that we should do it too, even if it means we have to force ourselves in.Uhh, didn’t you hear the Shadow? Forcing our way in won’t work. This works on vampire rules. Someone sure is stoked about this... We have no choice but to sneak in again. Joker, it’s your call when we do this. Make sure you think of some excuses just in case Boss catches us. We’re countin’ on you, leader. On that note, is everyone clear on what needs doing? Oh, that reminds me. Gimme the calling card. The one Alibaba sent us. What are you going to do with it? We’re the Phantom Thieves, you know? We gotta announce this. If the Treasure’s there when we get the room open, givin’ this to her will let us take it right away.Translation: We can prepare the calling card and take the Treasure on the same day. Queen, help me think of what to write. I suppose... We got this covered! You decide on a good time we barge into her room! That’s all you!Music: Aria of the Soul  We didn’t quite get Anzu to level 28, but we can Gallows away our Leanan Sidhe to make up for the experience deficit and get Dekaja.  We even get Anzu Eiga for our trouble.  And we fuse our Neko Shogun with Dekaja.   Oh? Good, you’re here... I can sense it within you… A Neko Shogun with Dekaja... …… What’s wrong, Justine? It is nothing vital… However… presiding over the growth of another feels almost… nostalgic, in a way… Do you feel the same, Caroline? Whaddya mean…? We’ve never taken care of someone like this before. You are not wrong about that… And yet, our duty to aid his rehabilitation aside, observing his growth feels oddly familiar... That can’t be right! The inmate’s growth and this rehabilitation are the exact same thing!I kinda lost the plot of this conversation. Hey, Inmate. The growth you’re getting from these tasks is helping with your rehabilitation, right? I mean, probably. See, Justine? They’re the same. Is that not something we should judge for ourselves though…? Anyway Justine, don’t forget about our job. The duty we’ve been handed is all that matters. Don’t think about anything else. I suppose… you are correct... *sigh* I guess you’re gonna keep worrying about this till the inmate finishes his rehabilitation, huh, Justine? Look what you’ve done, Inmate. Getting us all wrapped up in your fate… Ugh.  Could it be…? What’s up? ...Nothing. But… I believe I am beginning to look forward to seeing whether the inmate can complete his tasks. You heard her. Don’t disappoint us, Inmate! I feel like my bond with Caroline and Justine is growing deeper... OK! On to the next task! ...Justine?Justine stares blankly.  We would like you to harbor a Lachesis with the skill Tetraja within you. You only need speak with us once you obtain it. We will be able to tell. Bring us a Lachesis, you hear!? One that knows Tetraja!We’re actually a high enough level to try and fuse Lachesis now, but this update’s monstrously long already so let’s save it for further down the road. For now, we should just head home.  We finally secured our route to the Treasure! All we need to do now is send the calling card. Mkay, I’ve been waitin’ for this! Anyways, when’re we gonna send it? I guess that part’s up to you, dude. Let us know when you need us! I’m sure the Phantom Thieves will do something about it… We don’t even know who Medjed is… What can they do about it? August 21st is the deadline, right? I can’t wait! Aw man, we have to wait a whole month?Music: Beneath the Mask   That was fast! I mean, I already wrote three of ‘em before this, remember? But I came up with almost all of the sentences... You don’t gotta mention that! Smooth, Ryuji... The real question here is when we should go to Futaba’s room... Well, um… I think our leader should decide. Look who’s the smooth one now... It really should be up to him though… don’t you think? Absolutely. We have no choice but to carry this out. It’s all on you, Maaku! ...There you have it. Sounds like a pretty important task got pushed on you. No point in thinking about it now though. We have to do it. Once you’ve made up your mind, just give the order as usual at the hideout.  Ah, what about the beach? I could buy a new swimsuit! There’s nothing to do at the beach, and it’s going to be hot. We should just go to the movies.Boyfriend of the year over here.   After issuing their second statement, people are concerned about an impending cyber attack. The Phantom Thieves, however, continue to remain silent. This is really getting to be a big deal. I want to just go and take Medjed out, but…Well, we’re ready to send the next calling card. I’d hope it all goes smoothly, but when do they ever with this group of chuckleheads, am I right? Arist fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Aug 25, 2019 |
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Hey guys, I'm sorry I'm updating so much later than normal, I've been pretty swamped this week, but that's ending shortly Now to take a big swig of coffee and read the last three updates
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Thank god this palace ends when it does because it really begins to overstay its welcome with the gem bits.Arist posted:
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Funky Valentine posted:Thank god this palace ends when it does because it really begins to overstay its welcome with the gem bits. Makoto is past the point where she wants attention from her big sister. The Futaba in the mural is a little girl. Also, this palace is a monster to complete in one day. It just tires you out.
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Dec 14, 2017 01:53
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screw that puzzle with the balls and lights in particular
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resurgam40 posted:Yep. And the bad thing is, you don't have anything at this level that can block out both Hama and Mudo, making every fight kind of a crapshoot on whether or not you can take Anubis down or not before he gets either off- which can be difficult, given that he has no weaknesses, leaving only crits to knock him down. You say this but literally right above your post someone says the exact opposite. Omobono posted:Isis is a random enemy in this dungeon and she nulls both light and dark, while Anubis will only use light and dark skills, even if out of SP.
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I actually enjoyed the binary puzzle. Then I couldn't find a way after the passage collapsed and wandered around lost and confused. Again. You get personas that null light and dark; you can even abuse lockdown to get resistances you want. Anubis is just annoying. It has no weaknesses and it's pretty high levelled. I actually just used Ryuji to use that attack that causes phys damage + forget. And that was that.
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I like the murals. They're all pretty on-theme. Please don't keep being an rear end in a top hat to the suicidal kid, Skull.
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Glazius posted:I like the murals. They're all pretty on-theme. I'm trying to be charitable to Ryuji here and consider reasons why he might be acting this way: - He's an immature lovely teen - The heat of the desert and the length of the dungeon is making him hot an irritable - There's been a lot of annoying puzzles and death traps - Maybe he doesn't know how to deal with someone who asks for help but pushes those who want to help away? But the fact that going through the dungeon means he's seen what Futaba's going through and heard how people are awful to her, and how none of the team have reacted in a similar manner makes Ryuji being an rear end in a top hat here stand out more. It's also weirdly inconsistent because he dropped a "gently caress!" when he heard how people were awful to Futaba to show that he cared about her problems.
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Point 2 doesn't hold up as well when you consider that you don't have to do the whole dungeon in a day.
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amigolupus posted:But the fact that going through the dungeon means he's seen what Futaba's going through and heard how people are awful to her, and how none of the team have reacted in a similar manner makes Ryuji being an rear end in a top hat here stand out more. It's also weirdly inconsistent because he dropped a "gently caress!" when he heard how people were awful to Futaba to show that he cared about her problems. If he cares that much about how she's mistreated, then it must be frustrating to constantly get physically attacked or otherwise hosed with by the person he wants to help. The fact that he can distinguish between the shadow version and the real person probably contributes to this.
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He's not being mean to Futaba herself. He's just reacting to, you know, being chased by boulders, giant rolling balls, arrow pin cushion traps, pitfalls etc. Basically there is no difference between how this palace is playing out than how it usually plays out. And Futaba's shadow consistently leads them into these traps which is HER world, so... it's pretty much justified. Someone having a horrible past doesn't mean you'll be happy if they constantly try to off you in their mental world.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Point 2 doesn't hold up as well when you consider that you don't have to do the whole dungeon in a day. Either way, no matter how much you space it out, going and doing acrobatics in the sweltering(maybe) heat. It's really hard to tell with mind places, honestly.
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The real issue with Ryuji is that the game is treating him like a cardboard cut-out so they can have a reason for Shadow-Futaba to run away/be chased away. Which honestly is a big problem for most the characters regarding how they react in Persona games.
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RareAcumen posted:Either way, no matter how much you space it out, going and doing acrobatics in the sweltering(maybe) heat. It's really hard to tell with mind places, honestly. Didn't they mention how it was cool inside the pyramid?
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fractalairduct posted:Didn't they mention how it was cool inside the pyramid? Yeah, since the house (and especially Futaba's room) has air con, he Palace should have that too.
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RedMagus posted:The real issue with Ryuji is that the game is treating him like a cardboard cut-out so they can have a reason for Shadow-Futaba to run away/be chased away. Which honestly is a big problem for most the characters regarding how they react in Persona games. I think the first time Futaba 'ran away' was her dropping us in a pit - not Ryuji's fault.
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Oh hey this dungeon! It's honestly one of my favorite ones thanks to the whole ancient aliens vibe it has going on. The tech lights popping in and out all over the place are pretty cool. As a side note, I didnt have that many problems with Kaneshiros Bank. It probably had to do with the absurd amounts of grinding I did in Madarames palace... I rememeber autokilling the Angel mobs in the bank and had fused up a Shiki Ouji (the physical immune miniboss from Madarames palace) which helped considerably. The 100k+ yen I got from the Palace plus selling stuff and Mementos visits was also useful. The grinding was sustained by the fact that A) Asparases and Hua Po in the dungeon have really low defense and its easy to arrange it so that all but one are taken out by physical attacks, which is left critical and begging and B) Hua Pos give SOUL DROPS as one of their negotiation items. This was also the case in Nocturne and other games so the moment one popped up I knew it was time to start farming. And yeah, this is also where I started to deviate from the 100% guide too. It mostly involved me gunning Chihaya's Confidant (vauge hints regarding Confidant abilities) as fast as possible and abusing the gently caress out of her readings with my mad stacks of cash. Also the fact that I actually liked her (or at least more than Ohya, who she's competing for night time slots with) . I got the impression that she's actually buying into her own hype and not intentionally bilking people. I read the abusive boyfriend thing as her going "please just  getting another of my ~magic charms~is a very distant second behind RUNNING THE gently caress AWAY."
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Sorry, what hype? She can actually predict the future, she just had no idea you could change it until Joker came into the picture doing just that.
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Part 78: 7/27: Psience Is A Dumb Word I’m actually kind of impressed with Ari’s antics in the last few updates. That looked like a lot of work. Still gonna bury his action figures in the lawn, but interesting stuff.  Huh…? Who could that be at this hour…?Music: Break it Down (Elp Version)  The cafe is cool and quiet, and it’s relaxing with the “Sayuri” there. It’s a peaceful place. I’m thinking of relaxing and reading a book. Moreover, we can easily meet up should something occur. We can kill two birds with one stone. If you’d like, we could spend some time together. Yusuke’s coming tomorrow, huh? Might be nice to hang out with him. *yawn* I’m going to bed...Why does everyone always send their invitations right when they’re going to bed?  Music: Beneath the Mask -Rain (Instrumental Version)  Relax, Morgana, we got plenty of time! ...But, you’re right, let’s do it now.  Sounds like Yusuke’s here. Come on, let’s go downstairs.  There’s not going to be any time to prepare in between, so make sure you’re ready to go beforehand.As I mentioned last update, there’s no waiting period on this one, which means no time to make infiltration tools the night before. We’ll manage without it.    Why us? They can’t expect to gain any notoriety by targeting a small business like ours. Is that their way of calling our the Phantom Thieves? Everyone seems to be talking about it. How should I know? Hey, let’s head out after you finish drinking that. We gotta get some work done. Thanks for the coffee. I’ll just leave what I owe you here, Boss. Yusuke’s down here, waiting for us, but… nah. Let’s blow him off and send the calling card. Music: Suspicion   Well, I got the calling card, so lemme know when you decide. This is different from past cases. We’ll be handing the calling card directly to Futaba herself. Once we give it to her, we’ll head straight into the Palace. There won’t be any time for prep work in between, so make sure you’re ready beforehand.Music: Beneath the Mask -Rain (Instrumental Version)  Are you sure we’re ready to go? Once Futaba sees the calling card, we’ll need to head straight into her Palace. Is that OK? Music: Suspicion  Looks like it’s my turn to unlock the entrance. Forgive me, Chief. How will we convince Futaba to let us into her room though? Even Boss is forbidden entry.  Yes, that is the best course of action. You know a method? I think it’s quite straightforward. Futaba doesn’t know what we’re doing inside her Palace, correct? Hence, if we tell her we’ve come to steal her heart, she’ll surely open the door and let us inside. Wait… That’s it? Futaba wants to have a change of heart. After all, she contacted us for that express purpose. That desire should lead her to open the door as well. …You’re right. Our feelings should get through if we just try and talk to her. All right, I believe in Futaba! C’mon, let’s get this done!  When did it get on here…?Oh dear. Music: Desire   Wh-Who’re you…? I am the other you. Is this some kinda hallucination? It’s different from usual… How long will you continue blaming yourself and shutting yourself away from the world? Blaming myself for what…? For your mother’s death. Don’t you think it’s time you grasped the truth of that moment? What happened before your eyes… What happened to your mother… The truth… Why did you choose to rely on the Phantom Thieves? That’s… Are you simply going to shut yourself in and do nothing? Are you going to avert your eyes from the true answer? If so… I will kill them in your world. Music: Wicked Plan  There’s no mistaking it. This is the same door as in the Palace. I doubt she’d answer... Alibaba, we know you’re there. It doesn’t matter if it’s through chat messaging. Just answer us. In order to steal your heart, we need you to open this door. We can’t change your heart otherwise. Please let us in. I’m not mentally prepared! It’s too sudden. The other you within your heart told us to have you open it. Deep down, you want to open this door, don’t you? The other me? Right.Um, I don’t think she understands, Makoto. We’re trying to uphold our promise, but you’re the one resisting us. Give me some time. Ten seconds. That’s too short! At least minutes. Please! Fine. But if Boss comes home, we’ll kick down the door and enter if we must. All right, I’ll open it now. We need to change her cognition. Better to be completely safe than sorry. So she has to be the one to invite us in... Futaba, please open the door. All right, let’s go in...Music: Suspicion  Medical science, information technology, biology, psychology… these are all technical books... She keeps herself cooped up in a room like this all the time…? Where’s Futaba? Where could she be hiding…? The closet!? She’ll shut herself in to the bitter end, hm? Even if that door’s opened up, we’ll get stopped again inside. I bet a fence or something formed right in front of the Treasure now. Whoa, she talked... We needed to change your cognition. Unless we do so, we can’t steal your heart. I highly doubt she would understand it even if we explained it to her… So basically, my cognition is being a hindrance, keeping you away from the core of my cognitive world?I mean, it’s confusing that she understands this, but hey, at least someone here doesn’t need the entire drat game explained to them in advance. Huh? She understood it? Why do you know about that? Who are you? …… Why’d you call yourself Alibaba and make things more complicated? If you wanted help, you could have just asked for it. (mumbling) ...was ...rrassed. Huh? M-My bad. I didn’t catch that. *annoyed groan* ...’Cause I was embarrassed. I think I get it. Asking someone for help isn’t that easy… Futaba, can you tell us more? How do you know about the cognitive world? …’Cause I knew about it. Oh… That reminds me. Boss was talking about “cognition” or something before, right? You think this is related to how he was gettin’ grilled by that one lady? Perhaps her mother was researching this cognitive science that was mentioned? Cognitive psience with a PSI in front! Less science, more supernatural. That’s important.This is a total guess, bur my assumption is that the words for “science” and “psience” (ugh) are pronounced differently in Japanese and this bit just makes no sense in English. Well that certainly got her attention… It seems we’re on the right track. So, cognitive… psience? Futaba, what was your mother working on? Futaba does not respond. Please tell us. What happened? She’s not answering. Shouldn’t we do this later? She seems to have gone through some poo poo in the past... True… She did say things like “die”... Futaba-chan. Did you really kill your mother?WHOA Whoa, you moron…! Wasn’t her death an accident? What actually happened? Um, there was a suicide note, Ann. Maternity neurosis? Is that really true?Ann Takamaki, master of tact. Ann. We saw what your heart is like, but we still can’t figure anything out. The mother that Boss told us about is completely different from your cognition.Music: Alleycat *groan* We want to hear the truth from your mouth. ...M-My mom… was… The… one who killed her… was… Nngh... It’s possible that she can’t remember because her heart has become distorted. I’m so sorry, Futaba-chan. I, um… A lot happened, so… I’m sorry. Th-There! Now steal it! Music: Everyday Days ...What’s gotten into you all of a sudden? C-C’mon, hurry it up! We did come to steal your heart, but it’s not really done right here at this moment… All you really had to do was open that closet door… ...I’m sorry we made you jump to conclusions. You don’t have to be like that...   ...Wh-What’s the meaning of this!? Did you guys trick me?Music: Wicked Plan No! Please listen! There’s a reason we had to do this! She’s aware of the cognitive world, but it seems she doesn’t understand how a change of heart occurs. Um, Futaba, how much do you know about the cognitive world? I know that there’s another world based on cognition. But I don’t know how to get there. Can you guys go there? You said you “saw my heart” earlier. Yes, that’s right. How do you do it? We use a smartphone app. An app? Yes. By entering the required information, we can go to the cognitive world. A name, a place, and a distortion—those three. So in this case, “Futaba Sakura,” “Sojiro Sakura’s house,” and-- Futaba, you don’t happen to have this app, do you? This… …I don’t.Liar! Thank goodness… OK then. Can you take me with you too? Why’re you even askin’? Of course she can’t come with us. I’ll leave it to you then. Good. And you better not forget about our promise, all right? Oh yeah! Almost forgot! The Treasure’s not gonna appear if we don’t have her read this! Ryuji slides the calling card through the crack in the door. Hm? A calling card? It’s the one you prepared. Read it. ...I can’t read it. It’s too dark. You could just come out… ...It’s embarrassing. I’ll make sure she reads it, so you guys go on ahead. Futaba, make sure you read it, OK? ...OK.   Now, this is odd. This is not supposed to say sloth. Now, I found this out from an unsourced Reddit post, so it could be complete bull, but in the Japanese version, Futaba’s sin is apparently never mentioned. The English version added this in, and it’s wrong. I found this out from a few sources, including the name of the corresponding trophy, the name of a song on the soundtrack, and pretty much everywhere I looked for clarification. Futaba’s sin is something else, which we’ll go into when it comes up very shortly. It can be argued that Ryuji, who seems to be the one who comes up with the sins, is acting on incomplete information, but for now, just know that her sin is not actually Sloth. ...Thus, we will rob every last bit of those distorted desires. …...     Music: Life Will Change (Instrumental Version)  Futaba seemed totally up for gettin’ her heart stolen… What’s up with this? Hm… Something about this place really is unusual. Either way, there’s only one thing for us to do now that we’ve sent the calling card! Hell yeah! No matter what we gotta face, we’re gonna take that Treasure for sure! I mean after all the trouble we went through, she drat well better’ve read it! Well yeah, Futaba-chan opened the door herself. Anyway, the Treasure is up ahead! Let’s finish this! Yup, this is the heart of a hacker all right. Anyways, where’s the Treasure? I’m getting a strong signal from above us. The Treasure has definitely manifested. There’s no knowing what may lie ahead, so let’s be vigilant as we push toward the Treasure. A new foible has been added to our plan, however: there’s an enemy gauntlet between here and the exit.  We learn a few skills from these enemies, even if it is annoying to fight before our boss encounter. Ann learns Ambient Aid, which greatly increases the odds of status effects sticking during Rain, Flu, or Pollen weather days. It’s not great, but it’s something to replace the garbage Fire Break, and it’s good for Mementos money farming.  Next, Yusuke learns Tempest Slash, which deals Miniscule Physical damage 3 to 5 times. It replaces Vicious Strike.  Finally, Ryuji learns Shock Boost, which increases the odds of inflicting Shock with Electricity. It’s okay, but Adverse Resolve is so incredibly situational (especially because it’s a situation you should almost never be in) that it’s worth replacing anyway. I still might have replaced Headbutt instead of Adverse Resolve, though.  There’s even a treasure chest in here! Too bad it only contains a Balm of Life, which we can just buy equivalent items of. To get through this place while minimizing SP use, we keep our SP Adhesives on, leave Ann in the reserves, and have her Diarama everyone after every fight. It’s pretty costly, but we’re not using her here anyway.  What may await us within…? No matter what it is, we need to be ready for it! We’re coming to save you, Futaba-chan! Vocal input…? Fu-- Fu-- Futaba Sakura. ...Sojiro Sakura’s house. Candidate found. And then… Something about “distortion”… Distortion… Distortion…“Distortion” and “cognition” are becoming this game’s equivalent of Kingdom Hearts’ “darkness.” Hm? Music: Desire You killed her! You’re a plague! Murderer! It’s all your fault! You’re the one who killed her! Don’t come near me! It’s your fault! Murderer! That’s right… I remember now. Back when they were here, I-- ...I messaged “tomb” in the chat, and… Input accepted. Searching for route to destination. No... You’re a plague! Murderer! You’re the one who killed her! It’s all your fault! Don’t come near me! It’s your fault! Beginning navigation.Way to go, Ryuji! You told her how to enter her own Palace! What could possibly go wrong?  The hell? This ain’t what I was imaginin’! Were you expecting a mountain of treasure or something of that sort? There IS that over there. That’s it..? The Treasure must be inside. All right, let’s take it! T-Treasure…! A shrill cry is emitted from somewhere unseen. Music: Blood of Villain There’s something here… I got a bad feeling about this...Cognition (Watch this)    Oh god, this is some Catherine poo poo Music: Blooming Villain  No… Then-- It’s not Futaba!   This is insane!    A monster that Futaba’s cognition created!  The wind from the beast’s wings collapses a pillar next to Makoto. Hey, look out! Joker dives to knock Makoto out of the way. Here it comes!
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Omobono posted:Sorry, what hype? She can actually predict the future, she just had no idea you could change it until Joker came into the picture doing just that. Yeah true, but that honestly makes her more sympathetic? And not just a con lady Oh hey an update! And Makoto still holding strong in the "party member who makes me headesk the least" position. Still the only one with any degree of planning skills for their shenanigans. I mean even her ill-advised Kaneshiro encounter was based on faulty, but not entirely illogical, conclusions she reached on how weird rear end poo poo she had no experience with worked Arbitrary Coin fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Dec 18, 2017 19:21
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Futaba's cognition of her mother is just sad and scary. And even if she left a suicide note, WHY would you read it to a little kid? Messed up.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:48
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Also Futaba's room is filled with junk and trash. She really does sound like sloth if you consider that, even if that's not supposed to be her sin.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:46
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More on why the actual sin is the most fitting one once we get there and it's not a spoiler anymore, but sloth is absolutely what you're going to think of first before the post-boss scenes make it clearer. Her actual sin is masquerading as sloth. (This is your once-a-boss reminder that the 7 deadly sins are medieval Italian fanfiction with little to no basis in the gospels)
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Dec 18, 2017 20:59
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Futaba is actually a sloth in human disguise
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Dec 18, 2017 21:09
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Omobono posted:More on why the actual sin is the most fitting one once we get there and it's not a spoiler anymore, but sloth is absolutely what you're going to think of first before the post-boss scenes make it clearer. Her actual sin is masquerading as sloth. I didn't play the game, so this is only speculation, but if it isn't Sloth there aren't many candidates left. We already used Lust, Envy and Gluttony, so we are left with Greed, Pride and Wrath. Wrath could be misconstrued as self-loathing, but that's very specifically the original definition of Sloth, the unwillingness to see the joy in being God's creation, so that's out and I can't honestly contort Greed until it fits, which means I am left with Pride, but that too is iffy. She accuses herself of things bigger than her, and she's too proud to see that they aren't her fault? I'm actually betting that it's said it's Wrath, using a modern definition of Sloth as slovenly laziness.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:31
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Second sin was Vanity, not Envy.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:37
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I'd have to assume that Futaba's real sin is Despair based on her actions. It may not be in the more common modern interpretation, but SMT has definitely used it before as a Deadly Sin, specifically in Strange Journey.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:39
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It’s kinda dumb to try to fit a sin over crippling agoraphobia/anthropophobia in the first place, imo
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Dec 18, 2017 21:47
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Look, Ryuji slaved for six hours on that card and he's real proud of it. I say let the boy maintain his inconsistent motifs.
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Dec 18, 2017 23:17
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Omobono posted:More on why the actual sin is the most fitting one once we get there and it's not a spoiler anymore, but sloth is absolutely what you're going to think of first before the post-boss scenes make it clearer. Her actual sin is masquerading as sloth. Yeah. Traditionally, Sloth is despair. Edit: You know I really shouldn't be surprised that I was scooped.
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Epicmissingno posted:I'd have to assume that Futaba's real sin is Despair based on her actions. It may not be in the more common modern interpretation, but SMT has definitely used it before as a Deadly Sin, specifically in Strange Journey. It does help that Vanity/Vainglory was used, as well. I'd definitely agree on Despair.
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Sloth is used later on something that makes much more sense then Futaba.
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