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I haven't played the game but I'm like 99% certain that's a spoiler. At least slap a tag on it, please.
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Dec 19, 2017 08:30
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why on earth would you post "the trophy for beating futaba's palace says X" when Arist hasn't yet posted the update where he beats futaba's palace
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Dec 19, 2017 08:37
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Yeah, that's probably a spoiler.
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Dec 19, 2017 10:04
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Besides, the trophy localisation might be mistaken, just like the in-game localisation. 
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Dec 19, 2017 14:35
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So this whole time, Shadow Futaba's been in the pyramid because cognition mom told her to go to her tomb? Sure, why not.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:19
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:So this whole time, Shadow Futaba's been in the pyramid because cognition mom told her to go to her tomb? Edit: It was a pun. Okay then. Blademaster_Aio fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 01:10
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Cognition mom is part of the pyramid. Shadow Futaba 'lives' in her palace which is a pyramid. It was a pun
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Dec 20, 2017 01:12
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GeneX posted:It was a pun Oops. Sorry.
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Dec 20, 2017 03:07
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Part 79: 7/27: What’s Better Than A Motorcycle? Beast That Rules The Palace Music: Blooming Villain    Ugh, look at it fly about! We can’t reach it like this! We’ve got no other option. Let’s take it down with our guns and skills! So, this is the real boss this time around. Not Futaba’s Shadow, because as “tsundere” as she was, to borrow the phrase from Yusuke, she still wants our help. No, this is a radical part of her cognition that’s going to fight us every step of the way.  True to Morgana’s word, using any type of Physical attack, including skills, is fruitless, as the beast is out of range. We can use guns, but that’s rather pointless as well. We haven’t exactly been upgrading them, and they don’t do much in the first place. Hilariously though, Ryuji’s loving shotgun can hit while his Physical attacks can’t.  Here’s our first sign that something is wrong: we’re doing decent numbers, but the beast’s health is barely going down.   For its turn, the beast gets two moves, so it can Slam twice.   It can also use Wing Blast to deal Wind damage and inflict Dizzy. Ryuji’s Wind weakness means we might have been better off bringing Ann (or even Yusuke) for this stage of the fight if we hadn’t already used all her SP healing through the enemy gauntlet, but we want his Tarukaja, and for better or worse this part of the fight doesn’t last long.  Morgana’s Me Patra will clear up that Dizzy easily enough, however.   Don’t tell me… Is it gonna dive attack us!?So now we wait.  And wait.  Aaaaand wait.   Yeah, this is pretty much an instant kill if you’re not guarding, which is why I’m lucky it didn’t hit Joker even if he had a Resist Physical Persona equipped.   What do you mean you can’t tell!? You gotta tell us, Mona! I-I can’t help it! There are some things that even I can’t do!Music: Disquiet   I didn’t think it’d be like this... Huh…!? Music: Regret  Do you remember? This is the suicide note… The men in black suits read it right after Mom died… This… This is… when Mom jumped in front of that car… I don’t think Futaba wants to see any more of this traumatic PowerPoint. No… Don’t run. I thought you made your mind up after you talked to the Phantom Thieves. OK… I’ll look. ...It’s me complaining. Mom scolded me for bothering her. Yes. I knew it. It was me who killed Mom. I was a bad daughter… I weighed her down, and she hated me for it… It’s just like I remember…  Huh? Remember everything. Don’t avert your eyes. When did this happen? Just a little before Mom died… I whined about wanting to go on a family trip… But she scolded me and said no. Was that all she said? Mom said… “I’m too busy right now. I need to finish my cognitive research as soon as possible.” And what did you do? I threw a tantrum. Told her she thought her research was more important than I was. That’s when she scolded me… What did she say afterwards? There was more. …… Did she say…? “My research is almost over. Once it’s finished, we can go wherever you like. I’m sorry I’ve left you alone for so long, Futaba. Please try to understand though. This research is really important. I need to complete it, even if it costs me my life.” Did she hate you? She didn’t…?   Which is true…? Your memory is... Futaba hears the cry of the beast from above. Huh…? It’s calling me…? Futaba runs toward the sound. Music: Desire  The hell!? We ain’t doin’ poo poo to it!  You came into your cognitive world!? Mm-hm... The person themselves coming into their own Palace…? If that happens…The beast cries out. That’s... No...  It’s my fault… It’s my fault that Mom...  You killed me! Wait, is that monster her mother!?How is this a twist!? You idiots know what Wakaba looked like! Futaba’s desires and guilt must’ve distorted her cognition of her. The wish that her mother was alive again is mixed in as well, along with those eerie jeers... You are nothing but a demon who stood in my way! I wish you had never been born! That way I could’ve announced my results without having to waste my time on you! I poured my heart and soul into that research! It would’ve been the discovery of the century! What does she mean by that? Could she be talking about cognitive psience? There’s no meaning to your life! No one needs you! Nobody cares about me...  It seems you caused your mother a great deal of trouble, Futaba-chan… She must’ve had some kind of maternity neurosis… N-Ngh…  ...Y-You… aaaaaaareee… Ngh…! So because she thinks she killed her mother… and because she thinks she deserves to die… Futaba gave birth to a Palace where her mother wants her dead…? Futaba-chan, look! There’s no way that monster is your mother! It’s just an illusion you created! B-But… She never abused you, did she!? Boss told us! He said she did her best to raise you alone! Isn’t this a false memory that’s been imprinted upon you? A false memory…? Aagh... She had worked so hard on it as well… She lost her mind, and it’s all because of you... It’s your fault! Murderer!  Futaba Sakura! Remember!Music: Regret   ...Because of the note. Exactly. The men in black suits read her suicide note to you, and what was written on it? All of her complaints… about me. Yes. The shock and the pain led you to avert your eyes. But they kept reading it aloud in front of your relatives. Think hard. Was that suicide note real? Would the mother you loved so much truly have written that? Did she ever say such horrible things to you?Music: Swear to My Bones  She scolded me whenever I had tantrums, but she cared for me! Then what about the suicide note? A total lie! You were used! They forged her suicide note and laid the blame of her death upon you! They trampled all over your young heart! Get mad! Don’t forgive those rotten adults!Now, this game walks a delicate tightrope and doesn’t always nail the act, and one such example is this, which is downright absurd. I think it actually kind of works in the context of the rest of the game, but at this point it’s just comical. It’s because I couldn’t face myself, or Mom’s death… Even then, why did they have to yell at me like that!? Futaba-chan!?   A curse put upon you by the heartless… You knew from the very beginning… And yet, you cowered in fear… ...That’s right. I knew, but I… It’s all your fault…! This time, you’ll be the one to die! Will you die as you are told…? Who will you obey…? Cursed words spat out by a seething illusion? Or the truth within your own soul?  And I won’t be led astray by other’s voices either… I’m going to trust my own eyes and my own heart to distinguish the truth from the lies. There’s no way you’re my mom! You’re just a fake created by those horrid adults! I’ll… I’ll never... Futaba’s Awakening (Definitely watch this)     ...what the gently caress. Music: Blooming Villain    Uhhh  Uhhhhhhhhhhh  Well, this is certainly some imagery.         I’m OK! Please, help me!  And a cool group pose before the fight.  Futaba’s Persona is the loving Necronomicon, a fictional grimoire from the stories of HP Lovecraft, as represented by... a UFO. Sure, why not? Written in the 8th century by the “mad Arab” Abdul Alhazred (because Lovecraft was extremely racist, natch), the tome details the truth behind ancient cosmic beings that had come to inhabit Earth, influencing humans for their own ends. Those who read it risk going mad from the forbidden knowledge. Futaba is also our new navigator, seeing as how we need to get an upgrade midway through every one of these newer Persona games. She can do a whole bunch of poo poo, but if you’re familiar with Rise’s gimmicks from Persona 4 Golden, it’s a lot of stuff like that. We won’t be covering what she can do until much later, but it’s pretty cool. Futaba is voiced by Erica Lindbeck, a relatively newer voice actor known for roles like… uh… Menat from Street Fighter V (to keep things Egypt), Celica from Fire Emblem Echoes, and Magilou from Tales of Berseria. Play that last game, it owns and Magilou owns. Arist fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 25, 2019 |
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Dec 20, 2017 18:21
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I believe the technical term is 'Pose as a team because poo poo just got real.' So wait, Futaba's mom was working on some kind of cognitive research for some people who were apparently willing to blame a child for her mother's suicide and now people are apparently right now acting extremely out of character (not the phantom thieves' victims- well not just them) to commit various acts of malfeasance? Those fuckers are somehow responsible, aren't they?
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Dec 20, 2017 18:57
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Well, that whole thing seems extraordinarily contrived. Why blame Futaba for her mother's suicide instead of literally any other factor? Also, why kill yourself directly in front of your daughter? What the gently caress?
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Dec 20, 2017 18:59
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Well, that whole thing seems extraordinarily contrived. Why blame Futaba for her mother's suicide instead of literally any other factor? My take on what we've seen so far is that her mother didn't commit suicide (or at least, didn't do so of her own volition, we know that there's at least one other person besides our team loving around in people's psyches and they don't seem at all benevolent) and the people who offed her decided to put the blame on Futaba to avoid any suspicion of foul play.
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Dec 20, 2017 19:12
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Arist posted:Part 79: 7/27: What’s Better Than A Motorcycle? Nothing, that's what
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Dec 20, 2017 19:22
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Well, that whole thing seems extraordinarily contrived. Why blame Futaba for her mother's suicide instead of literally any other factor? Looks like they broke (into) her brain and cobbled together a suicide explanation on the fly pointing the blame at someone who wouldn't be a: formally investigated for involvement and b: unable to fight back.
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Dec 20, 2017 19:47
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Futaba's the best Navigator in the series; her perks are goddamn insane. She also gets top-tier Persona designs.
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Dec 20, 2017 20:01
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Oh right, there is someone else out there brainjacking people, isn't there?
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Dec 20, 2017 20:03
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Funky Valentine posted:Futaba's the best Navigator in the series; her perks are goddamn insane. I might give the edge there to Rise in Golden, but it's close.
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Dec 20, 2017 20:04
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Everything about the UFO is very good even if the dialogue and setup here drags on much more than it should
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Dec 20, 2017 22:11
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Oh right, there is someone else out there brainjacking people, isn't there? The last two bosses all talked about there being someone else in palaces so that would seem to be the case.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:05
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Having a null phys persona for this fight is so great. But definitely an interesting fight.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:29
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It owns how Futaba has a more persona 4 style awakening, but she and her shadow just sort out the stuff she's been ignoring instead of trying to kill eachother over it.
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Dec 20, 2017 23:44
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Gruckles posted:It owns how Futaba has a more persona 4 style awakening, but she and her shadow just sort out the stuff she's been ignoring instead of trying to kill eachother over it. The shadow is basically the emotions and thoughts you supress. If outer Futaba was thinking her mother hated her and she should die, Futaba's shadow is the part of her that believed in her mother and the one part wanting Futaba to live. Because she always knew her mother loved her - and a part of her always held on to it, despite hearing crap about it from everyone how 'you killed her!'. What a thing to say to a kid. Ugh. So I don't think the shadow said anything to Futaba that made her want to ignore the things she was saying or denying that isn't a part of her. In P4 the outer versions were normal, and the inside shadows were... all the messed up thoughts that they knew were messed up, so they hid them deep down.
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Dec 21, 2017 00:21
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Arist posted:Futaba’s Persona is the loving Necronomicon holy poo poo this owns so hard 
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Dec 21, 2017 00:31
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Arist posted:Futaba’s Persona is the loving Necronomicon, a fictional grimoire from the stories of HP Lovecraft, as represented by... a UFO. A UFO with a sweet rear end gargoyle on the roof, because yes.
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Dec 21, 2017 00:58
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I wonder why the Japanese zeitgeist locked onto the Adamski-style UFO as the stereotypical UFO. (And the Flatwoods Monster as the stereotypical alien, not that we're seeing it here.)
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Dec 21, 2017 01:00
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Not going to lie, I was expecting Hapshepsut the lady pharoah. Still, the Necronomicon is awesome, UFOs are awesome, please tell me it gets Cthulhu lasers.
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Dec 21, 2017 01:32
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Man, the game keeps coming up with worse and worse bad guys; you start with a teacher abusing kids and now we're up to faking a suicide and deliberately tricking the kid into thinking they're the cause? Kinda disturbing to wonder how bad they'll get by the end of the game.
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Dec 21, 2017 01:51
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Aumanor posted:My take on what we've seen so far is that her mother didn't commit suicide (or at least, didn't do so of her own volition, we know that there's at least one other person besides our team loving around in people's psyches and they don't seem at all benevolent) and the people who offed her decided to put the blame on Futaba to avoid any suspicion of foul play. Probably also because she witnessed the whole thing and by blaming her in front of her whole family, it would prevent them from believing her own account and compelling her to testify because everyone will now think "she's making it up because she knows she's guilty". It's incredibly lovely but in a twisted way it makes sense.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:10
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And people get weird when love ones commit suicide, so for some people it wouldn't take a conspiracy to blame a little girl for it.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:13
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Gruckles posted:It owns how Futaba has a more persona 4 style awakening, but she and her shadow just sort out the stuff she's been ignoring instead of trying to kill eachother over it. It really is great, isn't it? You can take or leave this dungeon with its standard setting and samey corridors and repetitive gimmicks, but this scene makes the dungeon worth it because it delves into the mechanics of what a Shadow is. The fact that the Shadow, it its own way, is trying to help Futaba underlines that the Shadows really are the suppressed side of a person; the P4 cast were initially unable to accept what their Shadows were saying about them, causing the shadows to turn violent... but here we see Futaba finally solve tne mystery weighing her down, because the inclination to solve that mystery is what she was suppressing. Like the others, she feared the truth, but on her own realized the truth is not to be feared... it's such a low key revelation, and yet it's one of the most courageous, embracing, and dare I say revolutionary actions in this series yet.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:59
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Futaba actually played Persona 4 Golden and decided to just cut straight to the part where her Shadow turns into something cool.
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Dec 21, 2017 03:03
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resurgam40 posted:it's such a low key revelation, and yet it's one of the most courageous, embracing, and dare I say revolutionary actions in this series yet. Plus she discovers that, deep in her heart, she's a  UFO
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Dec 21, 2017 03:29
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I have to admit I feel a little disappointed by not having a scene where she rips a mask off in a metal-as-hell way.
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Dec 21, 2017 03:33
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Yvonmukluk posted:So wait, Futaba's mom was working on some kind of cognitive research for some people who were apparently willing to blame a child for her mother's suicide and now people are apparently right now acting extremely out of character (not the phantom thieves' victims- well not just them) to commit various acts of malfeasance? The second anybody stops and thinks this through, they're going to realize this poo poo is a whole lot bigger than they were expecting. Funky Valentine posted:Futaba actually played Persona 4 Golden and decided to just cut straight to the part where her Shadow turns into something cool. Yeah, who let a Persona 4 character in this game? The highlight of the video has to be Ryuji's "I've seen this hentai!" face. PoptartsNinja posted:Plus she discovers that, deep in her heart, she's a Eh, she probably is. I mean she's already got the hacking part down.
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Dec 21, 2017 03:40
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I'm not sure why, but I figured she'd end up as a team member early on in this chapter Yvonmukluk posted:I believe the technical term is 'Pose as a team because poo poo just got real.'  Okay, yeah, I admit the first thing I thought of during the transformation here was "god-tier." You're excused. 
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Dec 21, 2017 04:07
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Phy posted:(And the Flatwoods Monster as the stereotypical alien, not that we're seeing it here.) There's also the stereotypical Japanese pop culture representation of a Martian alien, which is a War of the Worlds style grey tentacled being with a huge head and bulbous eyes.
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Dec 21, 2017 06:01
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Geomancing posted:I have to admit I feel a little disappointed by not having a scene where she rips a mask off in a metal-as-hell way. I feel the P4 comparisons are spot on because she actually is a Persona 4 character that got into the wrong game. The other P5 party members are defined by their rage, but Futaba isn't. Of course she's loving seething at the assholes that threw her under the fake suicide note, but making those bastards hang is not going to be her primary motivation, merely a nice bonus afterwards. Ok, a really, really nice bonus that she's going to enjoy with the finest of Sojiro's coffees, but a bonus nonetheless. Thus her awakening is not a rage-fueled catharsis like the others, but a more understated realization of the truth. Epsilon Moonshade posted:Okay, yeah, I admit the first thing I thought of during the transformation here was "god-tier." You're excused. Now that Homestuck is over (it is, right?) I should probably set aside a month or so and actually finish that, starting from the beginning. let's make it next August it's not like I need a functioning brain during summer
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Dec 21, 2017 13:13
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Huh, so the Mom Cognition here is really just a manifestation of the false guilt those assholes gave to Futaba? I honestly thought it would take a darker direction and it would be revealed that Futaba's mom implanted part of her psyche into her child right before she died, and the Thieves had to exorcise it from Futaba. While I'm all  towards the assholes who tried pinning them murdering Wakaba (because let's face it, that's probably what happened) on Futaba...it also seems kind of contrived, I guess? I mean, that's Wakaba's funeral so we can assume her relatives and close friends attended it, including Sojiro (I forgot if it's mentioned, but is Sojiro supposed to be Wakaba's boyfriend?). It just seems really silly that not one of them even tried stopping or punching the assholes for even daring to read a suicide letter blaming the dead person's daughter to her own face.
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Sojiro was a friend of Wakeba who clearly was interested in her but I think the feeling wasn't mutual.
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Dec 21, 2017 15:12
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