Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!


GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Lovely. Does it affect any Arm chips?

The A77 and newer high performance cores from ARM have a uop cache (they call it a mop cache) so I think they would be affected.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor



intel or amd or risc5?

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



Anything with a uop cache, so yes, AMD and Intel, both.

I can't speak to ARM or RISC-V.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.


Pablo Bluth posted:

So in the UK Scan have had 5950x for sale for a couple of days (and they've now put a price against the 5900x so much be expecting stock) and Currys have 5900x for sale since yesterday. Prices seem to be falling down back towards RRP. It definitely feels like the situation is sorting itself out.

I want to replace my 1700 with a 5900 but not at the £630 Currys are asking. The Scan price is now listed as £580 which is at fairly close to the RRP.
So since I wrote that 9 days ago a lot more places have the 5900x in stock. Scan have gone from never having it in stock, to listing a price, to having the 5900x permanently in stock, and the price tumbling from over £600 to £520, which I think is more or less RRP. I'm going to have to fight the urge to pick one up...

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

#essereFerrari


Grimey Drawer

Pablo Bluth posted:

So since I wrote that 9 days ago a lot more places have the 5900x in stock. Scan have gone from never having it in stock, to listing a price, to having the 5900x permanently in stock, and the price tumbling from over £600 to £520, which I think is more or less RRP. I'm going to have to fight the urge to pick one up...

I ordered one, I'm now just waiting for the board I want to come into stock. I've been running a 5820K since like 2016 and this will be my first AMD build since like a XP 2800 or whatever it was called. It's gonna be a full amd system too because I'm sticking with my stupid Vega 64

PolishPandaBear
Apr 10, 2009


Microcenter has had the 5900x in stock for a bit too, but have it listed at $700 in store and on the website. Up until earlier this week it was checking out at $550 according to the Discord, but when I was there on Friday, it rung up at $700.

I bought it anyway, but will most likely return it if I can't get a price match before the return window closes.

South
Apr 9, 2001

I am the highest paid lifeguard in the world. Love me.


PolishPandaBear posted:

Microcenter has had the 5900x in stock for a bit too, but have it listed at $700 in store and on the website. Up until earlier this week it was checking out at $550 according to the Discord, but when I was there on Friday, it rung up at $700.

I bought it anyway, but will most likely return it if I can't get a price match before the return window closes.

Yeah, I bought a 5900x at the St. Louis Micro Center last Friday for $550. They were sold out by Saturday. When they restocked Monday or Tuesday the price was up to $700. The 5600x has also jumped to $350 when it was $290 earlier. The 5800x has stayed at $430 for a while now.

South fucked around with this message at 15:41 on May 2, 2021

lDDQD
Apr 16, 2006


SwissArmyDruid posted:

Anything with a uop cache, so yes, AMD and Intel, both.

I can't speak to ARM or RISC-V.

Likely depends on the architectural features of the uOp cache. Switching the eviction policy to random, for example, would throw a monkey wrench into the works of this style of exploit. Or you could just have private uOp caches for each logical core.

mdxi
Mar 13, 2006

to JERK OFF is to be close to GOD... only with SPURTING



South posted:

Yeah, I bought a 5900x at the St. Louis Micro Center last Friday for $550. They were sold out by Saturday. When they restocked Monday or Tuesday the price was up to $700. The 5600x has also jumped to $350 when it was $290 earlier. The 5800x has stayed at $430 for a while now.

Just checked; in stock at Denver MC as well, priced at $700. No 5950s.

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

#essereFerrari


Grimey Drawer

Stupid question but are no x570 motherboards 5000 series compatible out of the box?

My order for the 5900x is delayed because I ordered the AM4 bracket for my cooler, so I asked if I could get the board I wanted added as it's also on back order.

I asked them if any x570 boards are compatible out of the box and they said no. I thought by now if it's a board that isn't even in stock right now it should have a bios thats compatible?

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014



track day bro! posted:

Stupid question but are no x570 motherboards 5000 series compatible out of the box?

My order for the 5900x is delayed because I ordered the AM4 bracket for my cooler, so I asked if I could get the board I wanted added as it's also on back order.

I asked them if any x570 boards are compatible out of the box and they said no. I thought by now if it's a board that isn't even in stock right now it should have a bios thats compatible?

Get a board with a decent flashback utility, that way you can flash to a newer BIOS without needing a currently compatible CPU. Asus one is pretty good from experience, anything BIOS related for MSI is a loving wild ride.

e: you'll probably want to flash the BIOS even if the board you get is compatible with 5000 series out of the box to enable resizable BAR support which is worth a few frames in supported titles.

Theophany fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 4, 2021

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

#essereFerrari


Grimey Drawer

Theophany posted:

Get a board with a decent flashback utility, that way you can flash to a newer BIOS without needing a currently compatible CPU. Asus one is pretty good from experience, anything BIOS related for MSI is a loving wild ride.

The one I ordered does have it, just don't like the idea of having to update it even before I know the systems working correctly.

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

priznat posted:

I had a Gravis Ultrasound and it was the bomb. It came with a game demo where you listened in headphones to determine if a chicken was in front of you and then you blasted it with a shotgun, lol.

Upgradeable memory with DIP package etc. RIP Gravis, they made some of the first decent joysticks and game pads too.

i had a GUS in the late 90s/early 00s, i got it 2nd hand with all the ram slots filled so i could go really wild with the high quality midi patches, made games with midi soundtracks a real treat to play

can do all that easily on the cpu now tho

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC



track day bro! posted:

The one I ordered does have it, just don't like the idea of having to update it even before I know the systems working correctly.

I'd be very surprised if anyone was shipping boards without Zen 3 support at this point.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

Helter Skelter posted:

I'd be very surprised if anyone was shipping boards without Zen 3 support at this point.

yeah it's very likely that they'll work, but the retailer probably won't confirm either way without an explicit label from the manufacturers because there's no way to make absolutely sure without testing the board directly

SpermaticCord
Sep 8, 2006
<img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>




The box for the MSI Tomahawk x570 I recently received came with a "ready for Ryzen 5000" sticker on it, glad I didn't have to update BIOS. The serial number also contains the manufacturing date, mine was only a few weeks old.

I've been thoroughly enjoying my new 5950x, which is overkill but was easer to find than 5900x. HUGE upgrade over my old i5, fine temperatures, no complaints besides waiting like 4 months to get it.

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC



SpermaticCord posted:

The box for the MSI Tomahawk x570 I recently received came with a "ready for Ryzen 5000" sticker on it, glad I didn't have to update BIOS. The serial number also contains the manufacturing date, mine was only a few weeks old.

Yeah I can't imagine stock is sitting around terribly long without being sold, so manufacturers would have to be actively customer-hostile at this point to not ship with at least basic support.

My recent MSI B550 board didn't have a sticker, but it did have a BIOS from October that worked with my 5800X.

denereal visease
Nov 27, 2002

"Research your own experience. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own."

I bought a board for my partner's build 6 months ago and it was 5000-series compatible out of the box.

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

#essereFerrari


Grimey Drawer

Only thing now I need is a new case, looking at the fractal meshify 2 compact. Gonna be kind of a gamery blingy build compared to the previous one which was a weird mATX cube case which to be honest is a total pain to work in and the 'premium rubber' finish has now turned into a horrible sticky mess after being exposed to sunlight over the years.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH


track day bro! posted:

Only thing now I need is a new case, looking at the fractal meshify 2 compact. Gonna be kind of a gamery blingy build

Really recommend the LianLi Lancool II Mesh or Phanteks P400A. I was very strongly leaning to getting one of those before a variety of factors not related to the qualities of the cases put me in O11 land.

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

#essereFerrari


Grimey Drawer

Craptacular! posted:

Really recommend the LianLi Lancool II Mesh or Phanteks P400A. I was very strongly leaning to getting one of those before a variety of factors not related to the qualities of the cases put me in O11 land.

I think we watched the same gamersnexus video. The LianLi I kinda don't like the look of the front and it's a bit too tall for my liking, I'll have to take a look at the Phanteks one.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014



Another vouch for Phanteks build quality - I have the Enthoo 719 which is probably way too big for what you're after, but the general fit and finish as well as included accessories are up there with the best in my experience.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


I recently got the Gamemax F15M, which is maybe a little on the lower budget side (little things like no plastic grommets included) but I'm really liking the 2x200mm front fan set up. Makes for a very quiet and cool case.

I know LianLi do their own 2x200mm version, and there's also a Phanteks one too? Or maybe it was Cooler Master. Anyway, it's cool

EDIT - right yeah, the LianLi Lancool 215 and the Cooler Master H500

track day bro!
Feb 17, 2005

#essereFerrari


Grimey Drawer

My current case has a 200mm fan and I hate it because it's near impossible to replace with a different one, it's also the one fan that makes a weird noise in an otherwise quiet system.

I had a look at the Phanteks case and I still think I prefer the way the Meshify 2 looks, the fact that it also has a type-c header and comes with 3 fans is a nice bonus too.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008



track day bro! posted:

My current case has a 200mm fan and I hate it because it's near impossible to replace with a different one, it's also the one fan that makes a weird noise in an otherwise quiet system.

I had a look at the Phanteks case and I still think I prefer the way the Meshify 2 looks, the fact that it also has a type-c header and comes with 3 fans is a nice bonus too.

Noctua has 200mm fans and that’s what everyone uses… right?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008



Steve hates the Fractal Design 7 because it's not an airflow test, but he'll also admit it was impossible to make it loud enough to fairly rank in their noise normalised testing.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Alchenar posted:

Steve hates the Fractal Design 7 because it's not an airflow test, but he'll also admit it was impossible to make it loud enough to fairly rank in their noise normalised testing.

Steve's noise normalized testing doesn't account for non-fan noise (like coil whine or hard disks) so it automatically discounts the benefits of case doors and acoustic foam.

Their tests are great, but they're not Silent PC Review style. To their credit, they are very open about it.

You can always open the door of that case if one wants better fan airflow when needed.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



hobbesmaster posted:

Noctua has 200mm fans and that’s what everyone uses… right?

200mm fans have terrible static pressure. Ask me how I know.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


Perhaps I made a terrible mistake then!

VorpalFish
Mar 22, 2007
reasonably awesometm



Alchenar posted:

Steve hates the Fractal Design 7 because it's not an airflow test, but he'll also admit it was impossible to make it loud enough to fairly rank in their noise normalised testing.

They panned the fuma 2 for much the same reason. I get where they're coming from - they work with a huge amount of data and need consistency in order to make valid comparisons, but their methodology just doesn't capture the strengths of products focused on very low noise operation.

SourKraut
Nov 20, 2005

POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION




VorpalFish posted:

They panned the fuma 2 for much the same reason. I get where they're coming from - they work with a huge amount of data and need consistency in order to make valid comparisons, but their methodology just doesn't capture the strengths of products focused on very low noise operation.

200mm fans are still not ideal though.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008



VorpalFish posted:

They panned the fuma 2 for much the same reason. I get where they're coming from - they work with a huge amount of data and need consistency in order to make valid comparisons, but their methodology just doesn't capture the strengths of products focused on very low noise operation.

They didn't pan the fuma 2, in fact they gave GN's highest praise which is to say "its fine".

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH


track day bro! posted:

I think we watched the same gamersnexus video. The LianLi I kinda don't like the look of the front and it's a bit too tall for my liking, I'll have to take a look at the Phanteks one.

It's not so much GamersNexus stuff (though being well cooled helps) as those cases are somewhat compact while offering a few little touches of gamer bling. Particularly having three ARGB fans already included in the Phanteks is a pretty good deal. I prefer the P500A myself, but it's a little large for what you're looking for.

denereal visease
Nov 27, 2002

"Research your own experience. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own."

hobbesmaster posted:

They didn't pan the fuma 2, in fact they gave GN's highest praise which is to say "its fine".


IIRC their major complaint on the Fuma 2 is that the included fans cap out at 1,100rpm; so they couldn't get it loud enough for their noise-normalized testing & it might not be a great option for hotter CPUs.

VorpalFish
Mar 22, 2007
reasonably awesometm



denereal visease posted:



IIRC their major complaint on the Fuma 2 is that the included fans cap out at 1,100rpm; so they couldn't get it loud enough for their noise-normalized testing & it might not be a great option for hotter CPUs.

The fuma 2 is specifically designed for low static pressure operation if you look at the fin spacing. It actually is likely to look relatively worse with faster spinning fans and where it excels is below their noise normalized testing floor, so the observation that it's probably not a good option for hotter cpus is probably spot on.

Their methodology is gonna miss the strengths of stuff optimized for very quiet operation, which is fine if you bear that in mind when you watch.

mA
Jul 9, 2001
I am the ugly lover.

B & H has the 5800x on sale right now for essentially $420 with no tax (with their credit card). I'm kinda tempted to get it and sell my 5600x. I mostly game (I have a RTX 3090) and do basic work stuff (MS office), so I'm not sure it's worth the effort to upgrade.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 28, 2011



I have a couple questions, since Micro Center put the 5900X back at $549 I've thought about upgrading from my 8700K. I'm currently running 3200 memory, is it worth it to upgrade to 3600 or even 4000? What recommended non-Asus boards are there? I say non Asus because I tried a prebuilt with a 3070 before returning it and it had an Asus X570 and it did not play well with my 2.1 setup at all.

Kilson
Jan 16, 2003

I EAT LITTLE CHILDREN FOR BREAKFAST !!11!!1!!!!111!

Microcenter in Denver has a bunch of 5900x and 5950x in stock at normal retail prices.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001
$10


Fun Shoe

Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

I have a couple questions, since Micro Center put the 5900X back at $549 I've thought about upgrading from my 8700K. I'm currently running 3200 memory, is it worth it to upgrade to 3600 or even 4000? What recommended non-Asus boards are there? I say non Asus because I tried a prebuilt with a 3070 before returning it and it had an Asus X570 and it did not play well with my 2.1 setup at all.

It's probably not worth upgrading your memory, unless you need MORE!

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

I have a couple questions, since Micro Center put the 5900X back at $549 I've thought about upgrading from my 8700K. I'm currently running 3200 memory, is it worth it to upgrade to 3600 or even 4000? What recommended non-Asus boards are there? I say non Asus because I tried a prebuilt with a 3070 before returning it and it had an Asus X570 and it did not play well with my 2.1 setup at all.

I bought some 3600CL16 2x16 B-Die when I upgraded, and i absolutely don't think its worth it from what I've seen. Here's my testing. IF/UCLK always in sync, everything is 2 ranks per channel, dual channel on, no PBO or overclocking, 3090 FT3 Ultra with stock settings, same boot drive, win/driver version etc:



No 8700K+3600 cause the B-Die was super unhappy with the 8700K and I wasnt gonna sit there and figure out why when I had the new CPU to play with.

I also did a lot of tests with massaging all of the subtimings, playing with PBO settings all of that... basically none of it was worth the effort considering the stability battle to dial it all in. The only thing that really meaningfully raised the scores was turning SMT... off. But the gains werent huge.

I'm gonna retest all the tweaking stuff later, unfortunately windows pushed an update and I gotta redo the numbers for some of it. But I don't expect anything to change meaningfully. As long as the memory is ~3200 or above, turn XMP on (and resizable BAR) and walk away.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply