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SourKraut
Nov 20, 2005

I'M FLYING TO HARDEE'S

I'm so ready to build a Threadripper system.

Someone want to buy a lightly-used i7-4770K?

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Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

As an addition to all the other updates re this in this thread, that guy updated with a note that the stress test is working fine other than the apparently-expected conftest segfaults. So it seems Epyc isn't susceptible to whatever the bug is on Ryzen. Wait for B2 Ryzen I guess

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


On newegg.ca the available threadripper motherboards are holy-poo poo expensive. sTR4 is the socket, right? Is there any other? https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ...624%20601301149

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Volguus posted:

On newegg.ca the available threadripper motherboards are holy-poo poo expensive. sTR4 is the socket, right? Is there any other? https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ...624%20601301149

It's not really that insane, HEDT motherboards are going to be more pricey due to more layers for the extra pcie channels, memory channels, etc.

If you look at X99 mobos there are quite a few in the similar range and those have been on the market for quite some time.

Gots to pay to play

One thing I am trying to figure out is if there are any differences I would care about between the ASRock boards.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


priznat posted:

It's not really that insane, HEDT motherboards are going to be more pricey due to more layers for the extra pcie channels, memory channels, etc.

If you look at X99 mobos there are quite a few in the similar range and those have been on the market for quite some time.

Gots to pay to play

One thing I am trying to figure out is if there are any differences I would care about between the ASRock boards.

X99 i can find in the $300 range. These ones are in the $500 range. Quite a jump. I guess these are the top on the pop for the platform and are aimed at those who can't wait. I hope there'll be a few cheaper down the road (october maybe?)

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Volguus posted:

X99 i can find in the $300 range. These ones are in the $500 range. Quite a jump. I guess these are the top on the pop for the platform and are aimed at those who can't wait. I hope there'll be a few cheaper down the road (october maybe?)

Yes but there ~are~ X99 motherboards on newegg in the $500 range too. There's more of a price range because there are more X99 boards. Also the prices will probably come down as the designs get refined and cost-reduced.

Drakhoran
Oct 21, 2012



Volguus posted:

On newegg.ca the available threadripper motherboards are holy-poo poo expensive. sTR4 is the socket, right? Is there any other? https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ...624%20601301149

The Asus board listed on newegg.ca is their top end board. They have also annouced a low(er) end board, but it looks like it won't be out until a couple of weeks after the Threadripper launch.



priznat posted:

One thing I am trying to figure out is if there are any differences I would care about between the ASRock boards.

The main difference I can see is that the Fatal1ty board has a 10Gb ethernet port in addition to the two gigabit ports of the Taichi. When it comes to sound, the Taichi claims to support " Purity Sound™ 4" while the Fatal1ty instead supports "Creative Sound Blaster™ Cinema 3". Whatever that means.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Drakhoran posted:

The main difference I can see is that the Fatal1ty board has a 10Gb ethernet port in addition to the two gigabit ports of the Taichi. When it comes to sound, the Taichi claims to support " Purity Sound™ 4" while the Fatal1ty instead supports "Creative Sound Blaster™ Cinema 3". Whatever that means.

Ah cool, I don't have a use for a 10GbE port right now so the Taichi would be fine. That and the 1900X is looking really tempting!

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011



Malloc Voidstar posted:

From the linustechtips video going live in a few hours:







what a loving useless comparison. and are amd still doing the thing where the processor reports a temperature 30 degrees higher than what it actually is??? also anyone buying these high core count cpus for gaming should donate the money to charity or your local leftist political party or idk, drop it from a helicopter. your gaming experience will be affected about as much and you'll feel slightly better about yourself

Drakhoran posted:

The main difference I can see is that the Fatal1ty board has a 10Gb ethernet port in addition to the two gigabit ports of the Taichi. When it comes to sound, the Taichi claims to support " Purity Sound™ 4" while the Fatal1ty instead supports "Creative Sound Blaster™ Cinema 3". Whatever that means.

it means that if you have the disposable income to buy a £300 motherboard and are torn between them based on the soundcard you have your priorities wrong. buy a usb soundcard at the very least

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2017 around 07:19

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


Generic Monk posted:

local leftist political party

Don't think that would make me feel better..

But yes, testing a 16 core CPU paired with suboptimal RAM on gaming workloads isn't much more than a curiosity; we're balls deep in diminishing returns, or indeed regression.

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2017 around 07:53

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Meh, I am getting a ThreadRipper anyway. Those gaming benchmarks are dumb as hell and don't really tell you anything. ( 4K WTF? )

Right now I am running a W3690 so the upgrade will be significant anyway, and that is not even regarding the core count.

The Mac Pro I have is running SATA2, has no USB 3 and hobbles the bios when you run Windows. All in all the upgrade to NVMe, USB 3.1, faster RAM and a normal bios will make it worth it I guess.

ufarn
May 30, 2009


It is pretty weird that so few bother to do more extensive testing with different components. Like AMD or not, there are clearly some different results depending on game, graphics card, and even RAM.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Aug 22, 2004



Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Meh, I am getting a ThreadRipper anyway. Those gaming benchmarks are dumb as hell and don't really tell you anything. ( 4K WTF? )

Right now I am running a W3690 so the upgrade will be significant anyway, and that is not even regarding the core count.

The Mac Pro I have is running SATA2, has no USB 3 and hobbles the bios when you run Windows. All in all the upgrade to NVMe, USB 3.1, faster RAM and a normal bios will make it worth it I guess.

Please post a build log when you get it. I'm waiting for Ryzen +.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Please post a build log when you get it. I'm waiting for Ryzen +.

I'll see what I can do. So all the talk of memory got me confused. Does it work with 3200 Mhz mem or faster? Or do I need to OC it for that to work. I really dislike overclocking my machine......

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
MY SLEEP IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN CHILDREN'S LIVES


ufarn posted:

It is pretty weird that so few bother to do more extensive testing with different components. Like AMD or not, there are clearly some different results depending on game, graphics card, and even RAM.

If you watch the LTT video, they mention they couldn't do a full set of tests yet. It's a review of the Alienware, not a full teardown of the entire platform.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.


The Dell AIO Ryzen 7 looks nice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGpAfauCrdU

..but I'm rather cynical about the cooling.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


I just watched them installing a ThreadRipper, are they retarded or what?

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.


I watched that video too. It started out so well, 'finally somebody who took the centre package out of the foam blocks before turning the handle and hence not dropping the CPU oon the floor" but it went downhill from there.

Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2017 around 13:30

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

WolfDad is Best Dad.


ufarn posted:

It is pretty weird that so few bother to do more extensive testing with different components. Like AMD or not, there are clearly some different results depending on game, graphics card, and even RAM.

That would delay the reviews greatly. People tend to underestimate how long it takes to just do the benchmarks for a review but it can take a week or more of nothing but running benchmarks to get a reasonably accurate picture of how each tested configuration performs, especially with some of the benchmarks having dumb quirks like results getting worse with each consecutive run without a reboot and other fun stuff that adds a lot of extra time to the testing.

SourKraut
Nov 20, 2005

I'M FLYING TO HARDEE'S

Generic Monk posted:

also anyone buying these high core count cpus for gaming a Mac for general usage or productivity should donate the money to charity or your local leftist political party or idk, drop it from a helicopter. your gaming general usage experience will be affected about as much and you'll feel slightly better about yourself

Since I know you post in the Mac thread, there, I fixed that for you. Yeah, Threadripper might not be the best option (yet) for gaming, but it falls into that same category as a lot of other hardware that people spend far more than they need to for the intended purposes. Look at Apple's accounting books and all that money that could be going to leftist parties!!!

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011



HalloKitty posted:

Don't think that would make me feel better..

excepting the khmer rouge or something lmao

SourKraut posted:

Since I know you post in the Mac thread, there, I fixed that for you. Yeah, Threadripper might not be the best option (yet) for gaming, but it falls into that same category as a lot of other hardware that people spend far more than they need to for the intended purposes. Look at Apple's accounting books and all that money that could be going to leftist parties!!!

tim cook seems to be pitching the defining aspect of his tenure at apple to be the tax-free repatriation of apple's loving medieval hoard of overseas profits to be paid as dividends rather than to clothe, feed and educate the destitute in his country. gently caress him. would literally be a better use of money to use that poo poo to build the border wall, at least it might create some jobs

anyway a mac is a demonstrably nicer experience than competitors for general usage and productivity rather than being measurably worse so i don't understand your analogy

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2017 around 15:02

Dadbod Apocalypse
Feb 19, 2005



THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR


Buglord

turn left, amd thread, nooooooooo...!

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!


WAR DOGS OF SOCHI posted:

turn left, amd thread, nooooooooo...!

But it is turning left

Measly Twerp
Nov 5, 2009

Bite my entire ass! Go legally brain dead from lack of oxygen from choking on my entire ass!



Lipstick Apathy

WAR DOGS OF SOCHI posted:

turn left, amd thread, nooooooooo...!

Eat the rich.

SourKraut
Nov 20, 2005

I'M FLYING TO HARDEE'S

Generic Monk posted:

anyway a mac is a demonstrably nicer experience than competitors for general usage and productivity rather than being measurably worse so i don't understand your analogy

The "analogy" was really just to point out how ridiculous your statement was, but if you meant it 100% as a joke, cool.

Threadripper is not "measurably" worse any more than Macs are "demonstrably better" at general usage. Once Safari/Firefox/etc. is open and Joe Casual is reading Facebook or once Excel or Word is open, he will literally not be able to see any demonstratable difference between a $1000 Lenovo (with superior specs) or a $1800 rMBP besides that his porn might look a little better on the Retina display. Guess he should have donated that $800 to a leftist party!

WAR DOGS OF SOCHI posted:

turn left, amd thread, nooooooooo...!

Don't worry, that's my last response to the derail.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


FaustianQ posted:

But it is turning left

Underrated post

Measly Twerp
Nov 5, 2009

Bite my entire ass! Go legally brain dead from lack of oxygen from choking on my entire ass!



Lipstick Apathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012



See, you can't have too many cores.

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010



Combat Pretzel posted:


WALLETRIPPER!

That's not very nice

all he wants to do is find life

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Mr Shiny Pants posted:

I'll see what I can do. So all the talk of memory got me confused. Does it work with 3200 Mhz mem or faster? Or do I need to OC it for that to work. I really dislike overclocking my machine......

If someone would be so kind to answer this, I would be much obliged.

If the CPU takes ECC, do I still need to figure out if the Mobo supports it?

God, it's been ages building my own system........

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014




that guy's accent bewilders me. It's like he's a Dutchman who has lived in Brighton for the past 20 years.

ufarn
May 30, 2009


SwissArmyDruid posted:

that guy's accent bewilders me. It's like he's a Dutchman who has lived in Brighton for the past 20 years.
Isn't that just his rhotacism being extremely strong?

Measly Twerp
Nov 5, 2009

Bite my entire ass! Go legally brain dead from lack of oxygen from choking on my entire ass!



Lipstick Apathy

ufarn posted:

Isn't that just his rhotacism being extremely strong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld3A3QCpXd4

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



Mr Shiny Pants posted:

If someone would be so kind to answer this, I would be much obliged.

If the CPU takes ECC, do I still need to figure out if the Mobo supports it?

God, it's been ages building my own system........

Yes, the motherboard would need to support ECC RAM for you to use it.

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.



Oven Wrangler

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

If someone would be so kind to answer this, I would be much obliged.

If the CPU takes ECC, do I still need to figure out if the Mobo supports it?

God, it's been ages building my own system........

Yeah, even with integrated memory controllers there's usually some kind of hook required in the chipset to make it work - at least with Intel. I've put a Xeon L5520 in an X58 board and an X3440 in a P55 board and in both cases, the processor supports ECC but there's just no way to enable it even with the right DIMMs inserted.

I feel like with Ryzen there were some consumer boards (from ASUS, at least?) which had the ability to run in ECC mode, but I don't know how common a feature it is. AMD's official position is that the feature hasn't gone through full validation testing like it would on server chips but as far as they're aware there shouldn't be any problems with a board that supports it.

eames
May 9, 2009



quite the glue

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/top_ru...c7e192af9f&l=en

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005


lol when people do poo poo like this

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001



Look at that performance difference! Definitely use this slide during the marketing presentation.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars





Whoever made that should not be allowed science anymore.

Oh my god it's graded in half-fps steps.

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Measly Twerp
Nov 5, 2009

Bite my entire ass! Go legally brain dead from lack of oxygen from choking on my entire ass!



Lipstick Apathy

shrike82 posted:

lol when people do poo poo like this



Lol, holy poo poo where is that from?

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