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Klyith posted:8GB sticks aren't double sided unless they're from like 5 years ago or primo grade stuff, but that doesn't matter with 4x sticks. The performance downgrade is only there with 2 sticks. Is 4 sticks dual rank fine with just a standard xmp profile, since xmp is technically ocing?
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pofcorn posted:Is 4 sticks dual rank fine with just a standard xmp profile, since xmp is technically ocing? Not always, sometimes you can't get the XMP speed from 4 sticks that you could with 2. It's just harder on the memory controller. 4 single rank is a bit harder than 2 dual rank, 4 dual rank is harder still. If you get / plan to get 4 sticks you should look at mobo QVL and pay attention to how most things are only validated for 2. However, a whole lot of DDR4 ram these days is single rank. Also the ranks thing is purely bandwidth, not latency. If you are an average enthusiast and care mostly about games, latency has more effect. Though again, 4 sticks may pay a latency cost (2 stops on the bus makes it harder to keep timings low). kliras posted:pcie 4 can be really fast (on pcie 4), but games still haven't found any major optimizations for them as far as i'm aware. Games probably won't have big gains until they change some of the basic ideas of how things are stored on disk & how engines load them -- blasting stuff straight into memory rather than formats that need CPU processing during loads. Like, multi-platform games on the PS5 don't have the same instant-load trick like Ratchet & Clank does. You have to design the game for it, and that's not gonna happen with PC until devs feel ok about making it a minimum requirement. Klyith fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Sep 22, 2022 |
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Thanks, I was kind of thinking gen 3 versus gen 4 NVME wasn't a big deal. The only thing that might still push me to getting one for my main machine is the 1TB drive for Windows should probably be a 2TB, but I store most game files on SATA drives anyway out of laziness. I get the upgrade bug going, though, and I can get kind of obsessive.
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there's the new directstorage api for windows which is intended to enable the same sort of stuff as as the ps5 with nvme drives, but i don't think anything actually uses it yet. over the next year we'll probably start seeing some stuff that takes advantage of it but it's going to be much longer before anything is really relying on it except maybe some ps5 ports?
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pofcorn posted:Is 4 sticks dual rank fine with just a standard xmp profile, since xmp is technically ocing? That’s definitely a pick off the motherboard’s QVL list thing.
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On the 4 dimm discussion, this flew under the radar a bit, but Zen 4 + ddr5 is going to be slightly different and likely more annoying. That's a pretty massive hit. Nobody even makes consumer DDR5 rated that slow, lol. So if you are thinkin of getting Zen 4, don't go with 4 sticks until we see how it plays out.
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Waiting and seeing is always good advice, but keep in mind that's max non-overclocked speeds. You will still be able to overclock beyond those speeds, and in this case "overclocking" means "simply turning on XMP/EXPO"
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True, but its a good sign that you aren't gonna be able to get those fancy 6000+ speeds with 4 DIMMs even if they are single rank (which no longer really matters with DDR5).
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so i got 64GB DDR5-5600 for $200 did i lose the internets
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Palladium posted:so i got 64GB DDR5-5600 for $200 did i lose the internets That seems like a really good/amazing price, though I guess it partly depends on the brand.
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SourKraut posted:That seems like a really good/amazing price, though I guess it partly depends on the brand. Kingston Fury Beast (This is the most teenager name ever)
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If it's 2x32GB, it'll probably be fine. Kingston kits are typically Hynix too, so you may be able to OC that up to 6000 if AMD lets you.
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it's a SKU with only 1.2V in XMP so it's prolly a 6000 for most intents and purposes
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Palladium posted:so i got 64GB DDR5-5600 for $200 did i lose the internets Where? I could use a furry beast too for my next setup.
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Twerk from Home posted:Where? I could use a furry beast too for my next setup. i got it brand new sealed from a guy at a gas station and no i don't want to know one bit at how he got it to begin with
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… what? Could he just tell you were the kind of guy who wanted DDR5?
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Twerk from Home posted:Where? I could use a furry beast too for my next setup. My best friend runs a fursuit studio, I can give you some pointers.
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Cygni posted:… what? Could he just tell you were the kind of guy who wanted DDR5? the magic of arranging meetups on online marketplaces
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was gonna say I’ve been offered TVs, car stereos/amps/speakers, iPods/iPads, even fuckin Pokémon cards in random parking lots but computer ram would be a new one.
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Sounds more like a LSDDR dealer to me
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Palladium posted:Kingston Fury Beast (This is the most teenager name ever) Nah, watch the GN video on the announced RTX 4000 AIBs. Steve couldn't make it all the way through the video reading the actual part names because they were so painfully dumb.
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EVGA leaves for like FIVE SECONDS... Starting to think EVGA was onto something here, just peacing out for a generation and coming back the next one as heroes.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Starting to think EVGA was onto something here, just peacing out for a generation and coming back the next one as heroes.
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Llamadeus posted:I don't know about that, it sounds like they burned every bridge on their way out i have some bad news if they think the PSU rebadging market is less commoditized than GPU AIBs
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Palladium posted:i have some bad news if they think the PSU rebadging market is less commoditized than GPU AIBs GIGABYTE VOLTMONGER 950 GAMING X ASUS ROG POWERSLAM 1000W CORSAIR HYPERLIGHTNING 1500 EXTREME (i'm sorry if any of these are actually real)
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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X gets overclocked to 7.2GHz with one core, 6.5 GHz all-core thanks to LN2 cooling poo poo's getting *crazy*. And to think we were still staring down the 5 GHz wall a few years back. gradenko_2000 posted:GIGABYTE VOLTMONGER 950 GAMING X Clearly you've just conjured them into existence.
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Llamadeus posted:I don't know about that, it sounds like they burned every bridge on their way out Nah nvidia would welcome them back in a heartbeat. (One, nvidia is a public corporation and they can't do things like abandon revenue just because a CEO is pissed off and feeling disrespected. Two, they'd much rather EVGA not start making GPUs for AMD or Intel. Three, they're big enough that they have to worry about governments loving them for anti-competitive behavior. They already lost out on buying ARM because they were too big, but it could get worse.) Palladium posted:i have some bad news if they think the PSU rebadging market is less commoditized than GPU AIBs PSUs are the place where they're calling the shots. I feel like that's what this was about more than anything. The chinese factories that make their PSUs won't "disrespect" them like nvidia did.
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Yo these new mobos and chips come out in a few days why aren't any retailer letting me preorder the parts WTF
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Yo these new mobos and chips come out in a few days why aren't any retailer letting me preorder the parts WTF we are the scalpers now
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Yo these new mobos and chips come out in a few days why aren't any retailer letting me preorder the parts WTF AMD isn’t allowing preorders (good), and the review embargo is supposedly the day before release day, so better make your mind up fast. Considering they basically didn’t have a functioning BIOS until 2 days ago supposedly and have already delayed the launch a few times, I would definitely read those reviews closely, especially about motherboard choice.
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I found this in a drawer the other day, it was quite the beast if I recall correctly. All the pins look good, considering it was just chucked in a drawer.  I think I had it paired with an ATI 9700 Pro graphics card, if that was a thing, it was some time ago now?
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Cygni posted:AMD isn’t allowing preorders (good), and the review embargo is supposedly the day before release day, so better make your mind up fast. Considering they basically didn’t have a functioning BIOS until 2 days ago supposedly and have already delayed the launch a few times, I would definitely read those reviews closely, especially about motherboard choice. I've been planning on a new system since COVID hit so I'm definitely buying this generation, but I'm also definitely waiting a month or two to learn which motherboards have unfixable issues.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7950x-7900x-7700x-7600x-stock-cinebench-scores-leaked I wonder if Videocardz is smart enough to alter the scores slightly to protect the reviewer who leaked them these cinebench scores. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7950x-7900x-7700x-7600x-stock-cinebench-scores-leaked Assuming that these are accurate and pretty generally representative of performance, that makes the 7950X the best value in the whole stack, right? We're in a situation just like with the new Nvidia GPUs where maximum compute performance per dollar is also the most expensive model offered. A "sweet spot value build" is now a $1600 GPU and $700 CPU, ha.
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We're already at a point where gaming at 4k there's barely any point going higher that 5600x, so that 7600x looks like it'll have really long legs.
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I for one welcome the top-end actually bringing good value for once instead of being useless halo products. Though I wish it didn't come at the expense of the middle and bottom (the middle is fine in these amd cpus, but rip to the bottom and rip to both for GPUs)
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Considering my 8700K Cinebench R23 ST score is like, 1150, I'm thinking it might be time for a new build. 
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Twerk from Home posted:Assuming that these are accurate and pretty generally representative of performance, that makes the 7950X the best value in the whole stack, right? Only if you care about the second column, ST numbers are still basically the same.
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turns out we actually got the ps5 die shrink from amd with the latest revision https://twitter.com/SkyJuice60/status/1574034211727872003 quote:Along with an 18.8% increase in logic transistor density thanks to CPODE (which you can learn about in our article here), N6 also lowers power consumption for a given performance level vs N7. This is what enables the reduced wall power of the latest PS5 revision, with less requirement for heat rejection and hence a smaller, lighter cooler. As TSMC completes its transition to increase EUV adoption and move most products to N6 from N7, we get updates like Oberon Plus. While most fabless companies would just design a new product on N6, game consoles demand absolute low-level platform hardware and software compatibility. This is why we see the exact same design being ported with zero configuration changes, including keeping with the reduced Floating Point Unit in the Zen 2 CPU cores (which we will also see in Ryzen 7020 Series
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kliras posted:turns out we actually got the ps5 die shrink from amd with the latest revision These are only in the new more expensive model, right?
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