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Dramicus posted:I don't want to poo poo on your parade or anything, but it's possible we might see the end of the plateau in the next few weeks, depending on how good zen2 turns out. Or, we just have to wait until the next Intel security flaw gets exposed, lol.
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It's fun to see Intel get their just deserts after the last ~10 years, but ideally they will get their poo poo together too, so we can have 2 good processor companies at the same time. That would be nice.
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May 20, 2019 06:46
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Dramicus posted:It's fun to see Intel get their just deserts after the last ~10 years, but ideally they will get their poo poo together too, so we can have 2 good processor companies at the same time. That would be nice. I feel the processor market is a bit cyclical. AMD took over in the early 2000s for a year or so when they came out with x86-64, a 64 bit architecture that didn't require a reinvention of the wheel like Intel's did. Intel then took over once they worked their kinks out. However, this feels a bit different. The side-channel vulnerabilities, coupled with the die-shrink issues, means they'll be lagging behind for more than a year in this case. Add on that AMD has really good multi-threading and you can see them making significant inroads into Intel's market share. I think Intel will still win out on single-thread applications, but who knows if they will end up pissing away that advantage too.
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iospace posted:I feel the processor market is a bit cyclical. AMD took over in the early 2000s for a year or so when they came out with x86-64, a 64 bit architecture that didn't require a reinvention of the wheel like Intel's did. Intel then took over once they worked their kinks out. K8 wasn’t really faster because it was 64 bit, but it went a long way in the marketability of those CPU’s and made AMD look like a legitimate market leader for the first time. This time Intel doesn’t have any old designs to fall back on to bail them out.
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May 20, 2019 14:55
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Laslow posted:It is different because last time it had more to do with Intel loving up and ditching P6 for NetBurst and using the incompatible and expensive Itanium as their sole 64 bit effort, and AMD sticking with incremental changes of the K7. If I had to guess, Intel will replicate Ryzen, but they don't need an old chip design for that - they can take -Lake derivative 10 nm parts and package those within multi-chiplet single socket configurations. They'd be a few revisions behind on inter-chiplet data transport, but if option 2 is increasingly strange core configurations within 64+ core dies, they've little choice.
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May 20, 2019 15:51
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:I read an article back a while back that said essentially that there's a well known and studied list of vulns which chip makers were expected to design around, but Intel didn't because of the performance cost. AMD did try, which is why it wasn't hit with as many of these issues. It's basically always cheaper to ignore security... until it isn't 
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:I read an article back a while back that said essentially that there's a well known and studied list of vulns which chip makers were expected to design around, but Intel didn't because of the performance cost. AMD did try, which is why it wasn't hit with as many of these issues. Oh man, got a source for this?
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May 21, 2019 02:41
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Sapphire PR rep apparently says Navi launching July 7th at $399 (vs 2060) and $499 (vs 2070). Announcement at Computex next week, supposedly. No high end variant coming. https://videocardz.com/80720/sapphire-preparing-two-radeon-navi-models-for-july-7th-launch E: meant to post in GPU thread gently caress Cygni fucked around with this message at 08:07 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 08:05
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S'all good, It's all the same AMD platfrom anyways, and you know it's gonna wind up in an APU sooner or later.
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May 21, 2019 12:25
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An apu arch change is good for me, because it might prompt them to finally support 4k Netflix. Then I'll have an excuse to build a tiny sff htpc.
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May 21, 2019 12:49
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A new Adoredtv is up. He goes into detail about x570 and why it has those fans over the chipset. He also claims to have a Cinebench score of 4278 for a 16 core part @4.2. Other interesting things too.
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Cygni posted:Sapphire PR rep apparently says Navi launching July 7th at $399 (vs 2060) and $499 (vs 2070). Announcement at Computex next week, supposedly. No high end variant coming. Oooh, 2070 performance at the price of a...nice 2070 from evga and massive warranty Why would I want that vs nvidia offerings? I guess having competition at all at the gtx 1080/rtx 2070 level is good. Also I consider 2070 to be high end, when you remember that the 2080 is a gtx 1080ti with less ram E: this is illuminated even better when you look at how the 2070 compares to say, the top 20 video cards on steam hardware survey, with the further realization that a huge chunk of those are probably mobile cards, at that Worf fucked around with this message at 14:06 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 13:16
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If it is 2070 performance and does it while using less power, it'll be interesting. But I'll be surprised if it needs less then 250W to do it.
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Budzilla posted:A new Adoredtv is up. He goes into detail about x570 and why it has those fans over the chipset. Other interesting thing being that a separate source that doubted the leaked list said that AMD sent out 12c part that boosted up to 5 GHz. I want to believe.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:If it is 2070 performance and does it while using less power, it'll be interesting. But I'll be surprised if it needs less then 250W to do it. If it does that, I'll take it purely because it will give me less headaches getting it working in VMs.
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May 21, 2019 14:01
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I would. I wonder how well it will undervolt.
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May 21, 2019 14:26
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Statutory Ape posted:Oooh, 2070 performance at the price of a...nice 2070 from evga and massive warranty The reason I picked the 2070 is it feels like the 670 of 7 years ago: good performance at the current resolution limit (4k) and no significant advantage in the higher offering (2080/1080ti). Raytracing is cool but I think it'll be a while still before those kinks get worked out. The other thing is AMD has a ways to go to make inroads into the GPU market. They're definitely creeping in on Intel's territory though for CPUs.
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I think the real winners are people who bought a 1080ti when they first came out. It looks like it will be perfectly valid for a long time to come.
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Being on 2560x1600, my olde 980Ti still performs great. The only time I wish I had more is playing various simulation games in VR, but even that's not the biggest deal since cockpits are static anyway.
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May 21, 2019 16:42
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Dramicus posted:I think the real winners are people who bought a 1080ti when they first came out. It looks like it will be perfectly valid for a long time to come. I was just about to post this exact sentiment. Probably one of my better PC purchases. My worst being an idiot and upgrading from a 2500K to 6600K because my upgrade itch needed scratching.
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Gigabyte pushed some BIOS updates that appear to allow for PCIe 4 on x470 and b450. Gigabyte isn't saying anything yet and I don't think anybody has actually tried it with a PCIe 4 card (for maybe obvious reasons), but looks promising. https://www.anandtech.com/show/14364/gigabyte-am4-motheboards-pcie-4-ready-for-ryzen-3000
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jisforjosh posted:I was just about to post this exact sentiment. Probably one of my better PC purchases. My worst being an idiot and upgrading from a 2500K to 6600K because my upgrade itch needed scratching. At least you'll be able to upgrade to zen2 and get (hopefully) an increase in clocks in addition to a shitload of new cores. 4 to 12 or 16 is a decent jump.
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Dramicus posted:I think the real winners are people who bought a 1080ti when they first came out. It looks like it will be perfectly valid for a long time to come. I really wish I'd bought a 1080ti. Instead I have this loud as hell 1080 that has fan rattling that's getting worse and worse as time goes by. I catch a 2080 below $600(that isn't Zotac) and I'll probably buy it just to get rid of this loving thing.
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Definitely glad about upgrading from a 1070 to a used 1080ti for $300ish after reselling the 1070 instead of waiting for the RTX cards. Though the 3550 held it back a lot in metro exodus/few other things wrt to low end framerate. Really hoping Zen2 is good.
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There's a guy here selling mining 1080ti's for $300. It's probably worth the risk 
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fknlo posted:There's a guy here selling mining 1080ti's for $300. It's probably worth the risk Should be fine. My understanding is that Pascal cards were undervolted and sometimes underclocked for mining with high airflow over the cards for maximum uptimes and lowest power usage. Edit: Would probably need to replace the thermal compound but they may still have warranty depending on the mfg. jisforjosh fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 21, 2019 |
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sincx posted:Where? I'll let you know after I've talked to the guy  Hell, I might try and buy 2 at that price so I have a backup.
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That's kind of a red flag, market value is around $550 still. He could put $500 on them and they'd sell for $475 or whatever in a week, there's no reason to drop 45% below their market value to move them. Kinda suspect you're about to get mugged and your $600 taken but whatever, it's your money. If he's legit then SA group buy time!
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I sell things of similar value for similar discounts on craigslist et al when i just want to move them and regain some liquidity
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Paul MaudDib posted:That's kind of a red flag, market value is around $550 still. He could put $500 on them and they'd sell for $475 or whatever in a week, there's no reason to drop 45% below their market value to move them. Sometimes you have to end up in a guys sex dungeon in order to hunt down the best deals. I pretty much always do CL transactions in very public places. e: the guy may be into hot air balloons, cellar sex dungeon seems super likely. I legit might buy 2 of them. At that price, even if one of them was poo poo and the other worked it's still not the worst deal ever. fknlo fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 21, 2019 |
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I would feel pretty ripped off if I got one 1080ti in 2019, used, for 600, given that I got one brand new from evga with triple fans for 699 in early 2018 e: I lied it was dec 2017 Worf fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 21, 2019 |
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Statutory Ape posted:I would feel pretty ripped off if I got one 1080ti in 2019, used, for 600, given that I got one brand new from evga with triple fans for 699 in early 2018 I see them listed on CL for $600+ all the time. It seriously wouldn't be the worst deal if I bought 2 and only one of them worked.
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I picked up a used EVGA 2080 for about 600, and while I was kicking myself for spending so much on a GPU, it works fine and still has 2 and a half years of EVGA's actually pretty good warranty.
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fknlo posted:I really wish I'd bought a 1080ti. Instead I have this loud as hell 1080 that has fan rattling that's getting worse and worse as time goes by. I catch a 2080 below $600(that isn't Zotac) and I'll probably buy it just to get rid of this loving thing. You should still have at least a week left on the warranty. I'd RMA it and see what they send you.
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Just because they are listed for 600 doesn't mean they sell at that. It's to preempt lowballers. I would bet most of them probably sell at 400 - 475.
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Dramicus posted:Just because they are listed for 600 doesn't mean they sell at that. It's to preempt lowballers. I would bet most of them probably sell at 400 - 475. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fsrp=1&_sacat=0&_nkw=gtx%201080%20ti&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15&_udlo=440&rt=nc&_udhi=490
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Statutory Ape posted:https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fsrp=1&_sacat=0&_nkw=gtx%201080%20ti&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15&_udlo=440&rt=nc&_udhi=490 Well, I guess it is a nice box. Edit: that's weird. When I opened the link from my phone it showed a 1080ti (box only) and some other junk, now that I opened it from my computer it actually shows the GPUs. Dramicus fucked around with this message at 23:12 on May 21, 2019 |
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What's the best bet for a mobo that will be compatible with zen 2 and can do overclocking with little fuss ? I was thinking like the 3600x at that point, but I was wanting a 1600 in the meantime Oh and the reason i was even going to post in this thread was seeing that we might not get a reveal at computex. That sucks, I was waiting for that! Edit: my wife will be using this current rig and with zen2 being released later, we wanted to go ahead and get something so we could play games in the meantime. I see a lot of talk about the b450? Tomahawk. SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 00:07 on May 22, 2019 |
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Tomahawk seems to be default answer for a decent board that should be compatible and is already a good board. I recently went with an ASRock B450 Pro and a 1700 and I'm thinking I should've went Tomahawk. The ASRock is a nice board, with 2x NVMe slots but I can't figure out how to overclock my 1700 and have it dynamically adjust. Last time I clocked it to 4GHz it just stayed at 4GHz. Permanently. I'm probably doing something wrong but I wish the ASRock BIOS was more user friendly. No complaints apart from that but you're probably best off with a Tomahawk.
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