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orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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There is some evidence that recent games are scaling better with more threads, according to a few tests I've read on German websites. It's possible they simply get better at running multithreaded in general, no idea how much is related to consoles.

No (good) mini-ITX Ryzen boards for another few months is a huge bummer, tho

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orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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This X300 doesn't seem very interesting (PCI-E lanes, USB support, SATA ports - I know Ryzen brings a few of its own but still) and having it delay ITX boards makes it worse

I remember having great fun with awful VIA chipsets because those were the only chipsets I could get for some early AthlonXP builds

orcane fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2017 around 17:46

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Also remember nForce?

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Also this one says Intel Gigabit Ethernet on the X370 picture.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Wirth1000 posted:

My 850 EVO died in 2 years never buying Samsung again. Sticking with Kingston or Corsair.

Baby, bathwater etc.? Or am I falling for ?

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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chocolateTHUNDER posted:

I'm a little confused for some reason; I'm planning on building a Ryzen computer within the next week and just wanna make sure a Ryzen revision isn't due within the next month or two?

Good news, friend: The Ryzen revision is coming NEXT MONTH.

E: damnit... okay, I have a link at least! https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...pc-enthusiasts/

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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They're vulnerabilities and they need fixing but what is really funny are the idiots who act like this is almost on par with Meltdown/Spectre.

"See, AMD has their huge crippling security issues too, nothing is secure, might as well keep your Intel things!" -a dumbass who keeps blowing everything out of proportion every time it gives him an opportunity to poo poo on AMD.

And, oh yeah. STATE LEVEL ACTORS.

orcane fucked around with this message at Mar 22, 2018 around 09:12

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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PerrineClostermann posted:

... Did we conveniently forget that Chimera isn't even an AMD exploit? It's an ASMedia exploit, and is on Intel motherboards from the past 6 years.

Umm excuse me the website said "AMD VULNERABILITIES CATCHY NAMES, status: really loving bad*" so of course it's an AMD exploit.


* please sell all your stocks

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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pixaal posted:

They can't just move that stuff back to older tech? Well print more of the older stuff. I'd think Intel would want to prioritize CPUs. Did Intel destroy their older fabs or something?

AMD is really lucking out that Intel is falling on their face just as AMD has a viable product.

This is why 14nm chipsets took a while and the Z370 chipset wasn't replaced by Z390 faster. Instead, mainboard manufacturers are making refresh Z370 boards like this: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/T...PLUS-GAMING-II/

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Yeah you probably don't want to tell Apple "hey those LTE modems we finally won the exclusive contract for, we can't make them in 14nm after all". Not even if you're Intel.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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exquisite tea posted:

I was watching some dude's video about installing a Ryzen 1600 and he recommended downloading the chipset drivers from AMD's own website to get the Ryzen-specific "balanced" power setting for Win10. He even said that it gave a performance advantage over simply setting the CPU to work in performance mode. Is that the conventional wisdom, and does that still hold true for the 2700/x series?

Ryzen CPUs had lower performance on Windows 10 originally because the default power plans were parking cores (and saving power) too much, so changing the power plan (or installing the AMD-modified balanced one) fixed this.

However, Microsoft eventually changed this in a Windows 10 (feature?) update so it shouldn't be necessary just for the power plan/core parking issue anymore.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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exquisite tea posted:

Thanks for the advice everyone! I did a dumb thing and bought a Ryzen 2700x / 2080 for maximum and I'm glad to see that AMD is competitive again. The very first system I ever put together was on a good old Athlon back in 2002 when dual core still was a novel concept, and the trepidation + fear of royally loving something up on a new installation has been with me ever since.

Why this is a great thing, not dumb

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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The 2700X has an offset of 10C applied to temperature reporting by default, so depending on what software you're using (some are aware of the offset and may display the corrected actual temperature), it could be 60-65C instead.

The AMD website says "Max Temps: 85C" so even 70-75 is completely safe and the CPU should be able to run that 24/7. The Wraith Prism is good to run maximum "boost" clocks but it's going to be slightly hotter/louder than a bigger third party cooler would.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Technically it would be. But apparently the B450 boards aren't built (although I'm sure that's being way overblown again) as well as the good X470 ones. Since they also don't save you much or any money, I'd go with the X470.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Hopper posted:

Thanks, I'll make sure to check reviews some more if there are indeed better and worse boards. However, the difference between B450 and the X boards is roughly 30-50 bucks, which is a bit much considering I can get the Asrock B450 Pro for around 85 € for example.
This video which might help (TLDR in description):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMJoLyrWa7E

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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HalloKitty posted:

I just wonder why it installs by default with the chipset drivers then. It holds much higher idle speeds than the built in balanced profile, and I'm going to guess AMD probably has left it like that for a reason.
Because Windows 10 had issues with core parking when Ryzen was new, the default balanced profile parked them too aggressively which cost Ryzen performance in certain programs. AMD supplied the profile with chipset drivers, one that has less of an effect on performance, but obviously uses slightly more power. Windows 10 later got an optimized power plan that doesn't have quite as much of a performance impact either, but seems to save more power.

There's an ancient blog on this:
https://community.amd.com/community...munity-update-3

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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incoherent posted:

How the gently caress did it get so bad from origins? literally the same game 1 year apart, CYOA voices, and boat tech.

It's my understanding that Origins does the same thing, but who knows.

I'm only running it off a HDD in 1200p though, and so far it didn't make me want to upgrade my 4790k

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Does Ryzen Master not have options to launch on startup and apply profiles automatically? The Gigabyte B450I Aorus Pro Wifi I bought for some SFF PC has the worst BIOS I've ever seen and won't even let me change 99% of the CPU's settings (I can mess with RAM timings and that's basically it) and I can work around that with Ryzen Master. Or could, if I didn't have to manually launch the program and apply profiles every single time

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Craptacular! posted:

Having seen reviews of that motherboard being OCed, I think the problem with the BIOS might be the user. You either need to read better, or you dont have the board you think you do. It should be a good OCer, though with a Gigabyte board you want to be conservative with voltage because voltage equipment reveals it delivers more power than the software reports, not less like other manufacturers.
Nice.

I saw the reviews too, which is why I bought it, but no, it's the right board and all the fields I'd expect to edit for overclocking (rather: underclocking) refuse to be changed (some are straight greyed-out but apparently they do lock a handful of OC options on B450 boards).

Since Ryzen Master is no real help (I mean, it helps and has great settings but I'm not manually picking and applying a profile every time I launch the computer) I'll just go through all the options again because it's probably hidden behind one option in some sub menu.

E: This person on Reddit apparently had the same problem, I have no idea if they ever fixed it though

orcane fucked around with this message at Apr 11, 2019 around 08:01

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Turns out some options can only be changed with the +/- keys, which I didn't even try yesterday since it only applies to very few options and I was navigating the UEFI with my mouse. Most stuff (and everything in AsRock and Asus UEFIs I used for the past ~decade) can be clicked on or toggled through with enter, but most (but not all) of the Gigabyte's OC settings don't do anything if you do either of those. Navigating all voltage increments etc. like that is a pain but at least it works

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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The problem isn't AMD making the right parts, it's the OEMs putting the AMD parts into devices worth buying. Instead, they've mostly been using the lowest cost parts, cut down everything and give you single channel RAM. So, "AMD doesn't sell "

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Lambert posted:

I don't think the air force installed firmware updates on their PS3s, so they would have been able to continue using the feature.

But not replace any PS3 if it broke down because new ones shipped with the firmware pre-installed, I guess.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Palladium posted:

Before CPUs were market segmented by cores, the #1 bad pick was buying flagship or near flagship clocked CPUs, #2 was overly expensive blinged out mobos, and #3 was buying blinged out GPUs that were priced similarly to a basic higher tiered GPU.
I think that's too general. It's a bad pick if you're spending the same or more money on something that is worse than the alternatives in every way (ie. buying AMD construction core CPUs in 2019) or if you buy the more expensive things for features you never plan to use (paying more for the identical mainboard but with SLI support, for never running more than 1 GPU).

It's not a bad pick to pay disproportionally more for minimal gains if you actually want or need those gains (buying the Pentium II 300 instead of 233 for a few % of performance, buying the gamer mainboard with the dumb bling because it has better on board sound or more SATA ports, buying the higher tier/slower GPU for its game bundle or the great cooler that stays cool and quiet vs. the base model/faster GPU that renders more pixels/second while sounding like a jet engine).

Obviously specific products exist(ed) that never dropped out of the top category (super expensive gamer grade video cards that were just as fast/loud/hot as the base models, gamer mainboards that used the same components as cheaper ones, except for the badly designed heatsink that doesn't do anything). So it's specific products rather than entire categories being bad picks.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Last time I checked those tiny fans don't really move a lot of air (especially at low RPM, where you'd want them so they're quiet) so fitting a Noctua will run quieter, but if it has to spin up to 3000 or even 5000 rpm to actually do anything they're still going to be audible.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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I imagine you're fun to play football against, what with all the goal post moving.

You're, once again, coming into a SHSC thread trying to dump sick burns on AMD (because you spent too much time on r/AMD again or what do I know, but it's apparently pathological) and can't handle that you're being called out for claiming Nvidia is honest about what you buy, which has not been true for a while. So now you're trying whataboutism by saying their misleading labeling of products is not as bad as AMD's

E: Also, BIOS-unlocking etc. is not "lootboxing", you are ridiculous. Would you feel better if they had put hard locks on those products?

orcane fucked around with this message at May 17, 2019 around 11:15

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Cygni posted:

Looks like the active fan on the chipset is def going to be A Thing for x570:

https://videocardz.com/80714/msi-mp...bon-gaming-plus

Rumours say this is mandated by AMD but it still seems hella stupid.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Combat Pretzel posted:

Would be uncool to pull that halo product without sufficient warning ahead. There will probably be another Threadripper. It probably got folded under the generic Ryzen umbrella in the presentation to not take up unnecessary space in the presentation. I mean, the proper name is Ryzen Threadripper, not just Threadripper.

If they really launch 16 core consumer parts with Ryzen 3000 there's not a whole lot of room left for Threadripper that couldn't be covered with the highest tier of Ryzen or a lower tier Epyc.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Cao Ni Ma posted:

Its there any advantage outside of PCI4 over using a 4XX one?I dont want to deal with the heat/extra wattage and price if there isn't more tangible benefits

xgalaxy posted:

What are you missing out on if you pair the 3900x w/ an x470 board?
Seems like x570’s are going to be too rich for my blood.

Shame they keep the processor costs down but inflate the mobo prices.
I guess (some) X470 boards might lack the VRM setup to reach high boost/OC clocks with the 3900X but it's too early to tell. Also you'd lose the full PCIe 4.0 support and possibly some granular OC options (although those were not tied to the chipset for Zen+, I'm just speculating) but yeah, if you're just doing a "normal" consumer setup you're probably not going to notice - X470 might be a viable budget option as long as they're being sold.

Some websites tested B350/X370 vs. B450/X470 performance when the 2000 series CPUs was released, I assume there will be performance comparisons with the new CPUs as soon as they're out.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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Plenty of goons couldn't wait to dump a few hundred on the BESTEST Z390 boards when the 9900k launched in the Intel and PC part picking threads

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orcane
Jun 13, 2012



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NewFatMike posted:

Ryzen Master does it and loads on startup, so

Does it actually load profiles on startup now?

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