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Carecat posted:What's some entertaining critical videos apart from Hbomberguy? ContraPoints is good. Shaun and Jen is ok.
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Carecat posted:What's some entertaining critical videos apart from Hbomberguy? I like Joseph Anderson, he's done a lot of really long in depth videos and has a great knack for pointing out flaws in narratives and potential solutions. Here's a video he did on The Witness, for an example of his style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZokQov_aH0
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May 6, 2017 12:44
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faefeilGwrQ They called the snake "Jared"
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May 7, 2017 03:35
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I've really enjoyed all of Shaun and Jen's videos, maybe because he's by far the least huckstery and desperate-sounding of all these guys, left or right. e: Why are almost all of them British? The Time Dissolver fucked around with this message at 06:00 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 05:55
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Also shaun and Jen are the ones who make Carl of Sad the most visibly angry and they chump him all the time which is a huge plus.
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May 7, 2017 07:04
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Carecat posted:What's some entertaining critical videos apart from Hbomberguy? If you're looking for more "Actually thinking about video games" like Hbomb does, I like Noah Cadwell-Jervais, when I can get pastless than stellar mic quality and the occasional cough while recording. They're longer videos usually but he's got some shorter ones talking about DLC. I recommend these as good starter ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqqCbmhqVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kivtv6wabBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pcDAjTBfcA
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May 7, 2017 09:59
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It would be helpful if you defined what kind of videos you want, Carecat. Given the thread, I'm guessing it's not videogames, but do you prefer video responses to see the grossest far right YouTubers made fun of, or do you actually want argumentation and subject-focused essays?
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May 7, 2017 10:33
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Carl is so sad to think about. He's just a fat old man with no education or future. What will he do when this gravy train is up?
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May 7, 2017 10:53
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Jack Gladney posted:Carl is so sad to think about. He's just a fat old man with no education or future. What will he do when this gravy train is up? Write books and sell them to even sadder humans.
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May 7, 2017 11:11
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:It would be helpful if you defined what kind of videos you want, Carecat. Given the thread, I'm guessing it's not videogames, but do you prefer video responses to see the grossest far right YouTubers made fun of, or do you actually want argumentation and subject-focused essays? Youtube intellectual mocking naturally. Maybe a little more in depth than Shaun and Jen but I don't really see the point of long form responses to people who can't grasp that having a McDonalds in Saudi Arabia might be a poor measurement of personal freedom. You could just play a fart sound effect to how poorly thought through some of these opinions are. Carecat fucked around with this message at 14:36 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 14:29
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Jack Gladney posted:Carl is so sad to think about. He's just a fat old man with no education or future. What will he do when this gravy train is up? Does it ever dry up, though? Look at Savage, LaRouche, David Duke, Art Bell. All still going, just getting meaner and crazier. These groups are fiercely loyal once they get a figurehead. Your greater visibility may wax or wane, but as long as you stay crazy and loud, there is a bottom floor of support and income you pretty much can't go below. Especially now that crowdfunding is a thing.
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May 7, 2017 18:11
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Sephyr posted:Does it ever dry up, though? Look at Savage, LaRouche, David Duke, Art Bell. All still going, just getting meaner and crazier.
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May 7, 2017 18:15
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Casimir Radon posted:Sadgon probably will be on the dole in 10 years.
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May 7, 2017 18:26
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Sadgon has already screamed at feminists that they caused mass shootings and threatened to throw a woman out of a helicopter while calling all feminists cancer, so the most likely outcome for him is to commit some kind of mass murder at a feminist academic conference of some sort.
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May 7, 2017 18:30
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Sephyr posted:Does it ever dry up, though? Look at Savage, LaRouche, David Duke, Art Bell. All still going, just getting meaner and crazier. He's a lot more flash-in-the-pan than any of them, except maybe Jones. I can't see him organizing a rally or running for office, or really even going on tv. His persona almost requires that static image of the ruined mask that is of a king who isn't Sargon.
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May 7, 2017 19:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iimH3XIQA Carlgons butt is definitely hurt from the French election
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May 7, 2017 21:13
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I thought TL;DR sounded smug but Kraut and Tea is even worse. Can't decide if the fact he named himself TL;DR is self aware seeing as the guy doesn't bother to read what they are quoting. I'm not sure which of these guys are self aware of their cherry picking or misrepresentation because a lot of their videos completely fall apart if they couldn't do either of these. Carl or Thunderf00t strike me as true believers which is why they both struggle with their messaging. Carl is all over the place and attracting the far right he doesn't respect whereas Thunderf00t got totally sidetracked in Anita. In comparison someone like Shoe0nhead is obviously clickbait who probably agrees with some of it but is purely in it to manipulate the audience.
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May 7, 2017 21:14
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Carecat posted:Youtube intellectual mocking naturally. Maybe a little more in depth than Shaun and Jen but I don't really see the point of long form responses to people who can't grasp that having a McDonalds in Saudi Arabia might be a poor measurement of personal freedom. You could just play a fart sound effect to how poorly thought through some of these opinions are. Most progressive YouTubers seem to dedicate relatively little time to debunk InfoWars/skeptic garbage, but I think Thom Avella, Ranting Feminist and Garrett did some of that stuff in the past. Shaun and Jen is still the best YouTube channel for the "This is why video Y is actually kind of dumb" sort of videos, because he's just familiar enough with that kind of internet culture and mode of irony to counterattack it in effective ways, plus he finds entertainment in doing so, while most YouTubers just do it because it's right. Some people enjoy demotivatoropinion, but personally I find his videos to be loving terrible. There's nothing wrong with the arguments of what I've watched, but the delivery is all kinds of bad. Still might want to give him a try, though. EDIT: I will fully admit that I'm surprised some of you have managed to watch full videos from people such as Sargon of Akkad and Paul Joseph Watson. The latter sounds like he's recording a dub for a Nazi propaganda documentary ALL THE TIME.
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May 7, 2017 21:20
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Archer666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iimH3XIQA lol eat poo poo you fat retard pedant from swindon.
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May 7, 2017 21:24
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I've never made it to the end of a Sarg video and I can't imagine ever doing so.
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May 7, 2017 21:36
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Al-Saqr posted:lol eat poo poo you fat retard pedant from swindon. Jack Gladney posted:I've never made it to the end of a Sarg video and I can't imagine ever doing so.
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May 7, 2017 21:40
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The Kristi Winters thing is good because about 15 minutes in she gets this confused look on her face as she realizes that she seriously prepared for a debate with an oaf who doesn't understand the subject of the debate. When he says that the social sciences are invalid and should be abandoned she stops for a moment and just stares at him, then accepts the new insane reality she's faced with and asks him why advertising works if social science is worthless.
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May 7, 2017 21:47
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:
Paul is part of INFOWARS last time I checked.
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May 7, 2017 22:09
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Midig posted:Paul is part of INFOWARS last time I checked. Yeah, but at least his boss sounds entertaining. PJW is all the dangers and insanity that comes with Alex Jones with none of the unintentional amusing parts.
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May 7, 2017 22:14
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Yeah, but at least his boss sounds entertaining. PJW is all the dangers and insanity that comes with Alex Jones with none of the unintentional amusing parts. I dunno, a guy claiming to know things about the world when he never leaves his apartment is pretty amusing to me.
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May 7, 2017 22:13
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Jack Gladney posted:The Kristi Winters thing is good because about 15 minutes in she gets this confused look on her face as she realizes that she seriously prepared for a debate with an oaf who doesn't understand the subject of the debate. When he says that the social sciences are invalid and should be abandoned she stops for a moment and just stares at him, then accepts the new insane reality she's faced with and asks him why advertising works if social science is worthless. Thats basically the same with everyone who he debates with. The entire Destiny debate was Destiny (who's not exactly bright himself) trying and failing to understand Sargons moon logic.
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Archer666 posted:Thats basically the same with everyone who he debates with. The entire Destiny debate was Destiny (who's not exactly bright himself) trying and failing to understand Sargons moon logic. What's funny is every time some alt-right moron tries to introduce me to one of their masters of rhetoric and debate they link me to a video of him debating some dumb 18 year old college student who only discovered the concept of activism last semester. Not exactly a difficult battle to win. Apparently, no one ever told Carl of Swindon the "only debate people dumber, more ignorant, or crazier than you" rule. ...or he just can't find anyone to fit that bill.
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May 7, 2017 23:32
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WampaLord posted:I like Joseph Anderson, he's done a lot of really long in depth videos and has a great knack for pointing out flaws in narratives and potential solutions. It also helps that the guy doesn't seem needlessly antagonist, at least in the videos of his I saw.
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May 7, 2017 23:34
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Been listening to a lot of Shaun and Jen over the past week and I think the thing I appreciate most about him is when he shows a video or audio of some alt-right fuckhead flipping out about Anita Sarkeesian or whoever, growing increasingly louder and more screeching with their godawful ideas. Then a pleasingly monotone British voice comes in and says "Well, that's just wrong." He's easy listening, basically.
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May 8, 2017 01:09
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Jack Gladney posted:The Kristi Winters thing is good because about 15 minutes in she gets this confused look on her face as she realizes that she seriously prepared for a debate with an oaf who doesn't understand the subject of the debate. When he says that the social sciences are invalid and should be abandoned she stops for a moment and just stares at him, then accepts the new insane reality she's faced with and asks him why advertising works if social science is worthless. I'm still not 100% familiar with the context, but how did this actually come about? I mean, I get that he might be stupid enough to think he can debate a Ph. D, but how does one convince an academic to debate a YouTube idiot?
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May 8, 2017 02:15
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mojo1701a posted:I'm still not 100% familiar with the context, but how did this actually come about? I mean, I get that he might be stupid enough to think he can debate a Ph. D, but how does one convince an academic to debate a YouTube idiot? The same way that you convince anyone of anything- keep it vague and let their assumptions guide them. Sargon of Akkad has acquired a rep for being a thinker. It's completely unearned and he's unable to actually live up to it but he has that rep. Winters probably assumed that he would earn it.
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May 8, 2017 02:40
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mojo1701a posted:I'm still not 100% familiar with the context, but how did this actually come about? I mean, I get that he might be stupid enough to think he can debate a Ph. D, but how does one convince an academic to debate a YouTube idiot? She does currently spend a lot of time wading through youtube poo poo as is, though I don't know if that's as a result of that debate or part of the reason she was willing to do it.
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mojo1701a posted:I'm still not 100% familiar with the context, but how did this actually come about? I mean, I get that he might be stupid enough to think he can debate a Ph. D, but how does one convince an academic to debate a YouTube idiot? The way I see it a lot of rationals are eager to debate people who oppose their arguments, at least initially. When a Anti-Anti-SJW (for a lack of a better term) decides to debate them it's probably because they keep hearing that these people want a debate and indulge them on a rare occasion. If enough time passes you can overestimate them. Think of it like meeting someone you used to hate who you have not seen for years. You think that they might be cool now until they remind you of why you used to hate them.
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May 8, 2017 02:50
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The combination of Teal Deer's voice and avatar drives me up a wall in a way I genuinely didn't know I had in me. Like inside of 20 seconds you want to loving throttle him and watch the life flicker out of that awful Dreamworks face.
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May 8, 2017 02:51
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Al-Saqr posted:lol eat poo poo you fat retard pedant from swindon. Oh gross, he lives near my relatives 
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May 8, 2017 03:06
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Sargon did some kind of live stream to "investigate" Macron's leaked emails the night before the French election. I am feeling no small amount of satisfaction that his preferred (fash) candidate got owned.
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May 8, 2017 10:31
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PiCroft posted:I am feeling no small amount of satisfaction that his preferred (fash) candidate got owned. Turns out when there's an actual classical liberal running against someone who's populist and pro welfare state but anti immigrant he drops all pretense. mojo1701a posted:I get that he might be stupid enough to think he can debate a Ph. D, but how does one convince an academic to debate a YouTube idiot? On second thoughts I wouldn't, because that sounds like an exercise in futility as much as debating Carlgon.
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he was really, really fuckin full of himself to think he knew how to speak to french voters "i know about the french revolution so why don't we force a bunch of french-language memes portraying macron as an aristocrat or as mary antoinette, that'll totally be accepted as authentic and grassroots by the french and not as foreign meddling by idiots"
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Midig posted:The way I see it a lot of rationals are eager to debate people who oppose their arguments, at least initially. When a Anti-Anti-SJW (for a lack of a better term) decides to debate them it's probably because they keep hearing that these people want a debate and indulge them on a rare occasion. If enough time passes you can overestimate them. Think of it like meeting someone you used to hate who you have not seen for years. You think that they might be cool now until they remind you of why you used to hate them. See I figured that's why HE would do it (the whole "I'm a smarty-pants rational who's already come to my conclusions rationally therefore I'm inherently correct and can't be dissuaded"), but I figured she'd do it out of boredom or something. OwlFancier posted:She does currently spend a lot of time wading through youtube poo poo as is, though I don't know if that's as a result of that debate or part of the reason she was willing to do it. Which is why this makes more sense, thanks! Guavanaut posted:I'd debate a Ph.D as long as it was on something outside their area of expertise, purely on the basis that any Ph.D who would agree to an internet debate outside their area of expertise is probably one who has spent so long looking at horizontal gene transfer in nematodes that they think they've got the one hottest take on 'why the West Africans are less intelligent' or 'bacterial causes of homosexuality' or some poo poo involving aliens. Yeah I'd debate a Ph. D if it were like, "Who's a better captain, Kirk or Picard?" or something superfluous like that and not like, say, Bitcoiners trying to take down Paul Krugman.
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PiCroft posted:Sargon did some kind of live stream to "investigate" Macron's leaked emails the night before the French election. I am feeling no small amount of satisfaction that his preferred (fash) candidate got owned.
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