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its not really economically effective so im guessing we just figure out how to build super windmills or whatever and then don't worry about it
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Why don't we just put solar panels on the moon
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Apr 24, 2017 18:07
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holy poo poo why don't we put solar panels on the sun
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Apr 24, 2017 18:19
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Jose posted:Didn't the coal plant being taken out cause far more environment damage? in total yes but people can get accustomed to an awful lot of bullshit if it's structural and not spike if you replaced every fossil fuel power station in the USA with an equivalent breeder reactor the amount of land spoiled by buried radioactive waste would equate to....the amount of surface land spoiled by radioactive waste from one coal plant, lol u shouldn't do that because there's not that many proven deposits of uranium tho, and unlike fossil fuels it's not practically guaranteed that lots more is around because life existed. but it's dumb af to not have more nuclear in the mix Badger of Basra posted:look at this guy who thinks electricity generation should be for-profit Trumps Baby Hands posted:I don't understand why people are so sure that now, in 2017, we have everything "right" and have unearthed all the hidden dangers in our technologies. In the 1950's it was considered fine to hose down children with DDT. The I loving Love Science people would have been sneering at any "backwards" person who asked if the potential drawbacks of DDT outweighed the benefits. the alternative to ddt was a cocktail of poo poo that was so ineffective that we still lost entire fields of corn and cotton to burrowing parasites, and ddt's deployment also coincided with a serious retreat in malaria as mosquitoes got their poo poo wrecked bigly it's very bad for bird populations and it's good that it's not in wide use anymore but particularly at the time the alternative was way worse for the poorest among us, who suffered most from disease-ridden mosquitoes and higher food and clothing prices caused by crop failures
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IMO we should put a bunch of nuclear plants on Mars and then have reaaaaaaaally long extension cords run down to earth.
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mister magpie posted:haha you think their record is perfect Dude's right, aside from Thresher there's literally no record of even a minor nuclear accident happening in the US Navy. They are really drat good at nuclear power. For that matter, if you exclude the Soviets/Russians the safety record in Naval projects generally is fantastic Nebakenezzer has issued a correction as of 22:25 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 22:20
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Fidel Castronaut posted:I thought Fukushima was the end of nuclear power for most people because natural disasters happen. The 2008 recession killed off a lot of the "Nuclear Renaissance" that was predicted under Bush, Fukishima put it in intensive care, and Westinghouse recently filing bankruptcy and possibly taking down all of Toshiba due to cost overruns at VC Summer and Vogtle is pretty much the nail the coffin. More of the older plants are shutting down now because they can't compete with natural gas on price.
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Badger of Basra posted:it's cool how germany, because they're so concerned about public safety, shut down all their nuclear plants and replaced them with coal I think they're also importing a bunch of power from France which is like 95% nuclear. Security at French nuclear plants is hilariously bad, but so was US security until 9/11.
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deadgoon posted:holy poo poo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
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Nebakenezzer posted:Dude's right, aside from Thresher there's literally no record of even a minor nuclear accident happening in the US Navy. They are really drat good at nuclear power. For that matter, if you exclude the Soviets/Russians the safety record in Naval projects generally is fantastic I was in the navy nuclear program from 02 - 08
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we could just use a radioactive material that isn't uranium but then we wouldn't be able to make missiles from the byproduct and then what use would that be. all we'd get would be power
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mister magpie posted:I was in the navy nuclear program from 02 - 08 Honestly if you know otherwise I'd be interested in hearing
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Nebakenezzer posted:Honestly if you know otherwise I'd be interested in hearing I'm actually unsure what about my service I had to sign a paper saying I wouldn't talk about so I actually immediately regretted making that comment
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mister magpie posted:I'm actually unsure what about my service I had to sign a paper saying I wouldn't talk about so I actually immediately regretted making that comment Use rhyming slang to get around the rule.
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mysterious frankie posted:Use rhyming slang to get around the rule. It's perfectly legal if you say it happened to a friend, that's how we learned about the SR-71
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deadgoon posted:holy poo poo they would block out all the sunlight and then no plants would grow on the whole planet earth. rip
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nukes are for cucks
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crazy cloud posted:nukes are for cucks the trix rabbit has gotten weird in his age
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wizard on a water slide posted:the trix rabbit has gotten weird in his age he's been malnourished because the dickhead kids won't let him have any fucken breakfast
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crazy cloud posted:they would block out all the sunlight and then no plants would grow on the whole planet earth. rip grow the weed, on the sun
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deadgoon posted:grow the weed, on the sun i think the DEA would notice if you tried this !!! they can tell if you have lots of grow lights by infrared scanning your house. they're gonna be able to tell if you're growing weed on the sun dude. stay safe spacegardenerghost
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crazy cloud posted:i think the DEA would notice if you tried this !!! they can tell if you have lots of grow lights by infrared scanning your house. they're gonna be able to tell if you're growing weed on the sun dude. stay safe spacegardenerghost we've never sent a cop to space! you can do anything up there. drink piss. collaborate with russians. anything.
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deadgoon posted:we've never sent a cop to space! you can do anything up there. drink piss. collaborate with russians. anything. tempting and persuasive but jefferson davis beauregard sessions: with a vengeance, is AG and within 6 years the militarization of city police departments will have progressed into each having their own city air force and city version of nasa, big-league
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Your return on energy investment for nukes is basically only beaten by hydro, and all major rivers that could be dammed, have been dammed. Wind and solar are intermittent weak sauce and cannot provide a total energy solution with the technology we have, but nukes can
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return on investment is a garbage metric my return on investment on the food I buy is zero because I just flush away my dumps and I never see a dime back so maybe i should stop buying food if I really want to maximize my roi
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You have to get more energy out than you put in, and the greater the ratio of energy out:in, the less total productive capacity you have to spend building and maintaining energy infrastructure, so you can spend it on other things, like weed
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crazy cloud posted:return on investment is a garbage metric tiihnk of it like this: if you stopped eating you would die, so every penny you earn from your labor is a return on your investment in food just surrender to the infallible logic of Markets dude
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There's also a certain level of return on investment you can't really go below, because there's an implicit cost associated with the level of specialization and industrial capacity necessary to even make sonething like a pv cell in the first place. Another point: Silicon is actual pretty extensive to make energy wise, because you need it to be a pure crystal, which means you have to melt it. But the energy you get from the cell from solar radiation isn't that much, so it had to sit there in the sun for like a couple of years, before you actually start paying that back. That delay in surplus means that economic growth under a pure solar economy has a hard limit imposed on it, by the fundamental energy accounting process. Any expansion of the energy supply is going to take decades to actually afford, ergo economic activity & growth will be bottle necked by the supply of energy. rudatron has issued a correction as of 06:17 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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not all energy infrastructures are equally cool and good and nuke plants are bad, they're just bad. lol if u can't see that they're obviously bad. don't build a thing that shits radiation into the ocean if there happens to be an earthquake. double don't build it in a land of freakin earthquakes and poo poo. i don't even know where to start with how bad nuclear power plants are unless they're the fusion plants from simcity2000. literally the only good thing about them is that after you spend a gorillian dollars making one you make some money back i guess? great
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Everything has a downside, nothing is free. Good policy is balancing the good against the bad, for a given context. Radiation is a hazard to human health, but so is social instability and economic uncertainty/ stagnation. Healthcare, education, security, everything costs money, every product and service has embedded in it the productive capacity necessary to make and support it. Lacking that capacity, because you're having to spend more of it on maintaining and expanding your energy infrastructure, means a real world drop in standard of living, along with the knock-on social effects. Is that something you're prepared to accept?
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I agree we should spend a lot of money on fusion research. Because even if we don't crack that nut there's a lot of super useful ancillary stuff to come out of understanding high-energy plasma physics. And if we do crack that nut we get a cheap power source that runs on water.
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we are never cracking that nut but we should do it anyway yeah
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crazy cloud posted:not all energy infrastructures are equally cool and good and nuke plants are bad, they're just bad. lol if u can't see that they're obviously bad. don't build a thing that shits radiation into the ocean if there happens to be an earthquake. double don't build it in a land of freakin earthquakes and poo poo. i don't even know where to start with how bad nuclear power plants are unless they're the fusion plants from simcity2000. literally the only good thing about them is that after you spend a gorillian dollars making one you make some money back i guess? great We just recently had a coal tailings dam spill over into the neighbouring wetland because of increased rainfall from a nearby hurricane (In a region well known for hurricanes). The government is offering the same company a billion dollar loan to open a coal mine. People freak out about nuclear, but no one bats an eyelid at this poo poo. Oh yeah and this port is right next to the Great Barrier Reef. 
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rudatron posted:There's also a certain level of return on investment you can't really go below, because there's an implicit cost associated with the level of specialization and industrial capacity necessary to even make sonething like a pv cell in the first place. Yeah, solar panels as a technology break even on energy sometime this year. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13728 Breakeven on greenhouse gasses is sometime next year
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nuclear power is good and cool and the only serious power supply option for big cities after fossil fuel and maybe hydro
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crazy cloud posted:not all energy infrastructures are equally cool and good and nuke plants are bad, they're just bad. lol if u can't see that they're obviously bad. don't build a thing that shits radiation into the ocean if there happens to be an earthquake. double don't build it in a land of freakin earthquakes and poo poo. i don't even know where to start with how bad nuclear power plants are unless they're the fusion plants from simcity2000. literally the only good thing about them is that after you spend a gorillian dollars making one you make some money back i guess? great Build them in geologically stable places.
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crazy cloud posted:not all energy infrastructures are equally cool and good and nuke plants are bad, they're just bad. lol if u can't see that they're obviously bad. don't build a thing that shits radiation into the ocean if there happens to be an earthquake. double don't build it in a land of freakin earthquakes and poo poo. i don't even know where to start with how bad nuclear power plants are unless they're the fusion plants from simcity2000. literally the only good thing about them is that after you spend a gorillian dollars making one you make some money back i guess? great water is really good at blocking radiation the soviets threw old nuclear reactors into the ocean for decades and it has had no real environmental effects other than killing any fish that literally swam right into one the same goes for all the other places where a bunch of nations tossed nuclear waste into the ocean during the 60s
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oh my god do u want godzillas because thats how u get godzillas
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crazy cloud posted:i don't even know where to start with how bad nuclear power plants are not as bad as your posts
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