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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

THE CLAMPS!
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Sorry if you guys couldn't figure it out. Like I said, I've never read the books, and I knew what he meant. I don't know if it's some big book spoiler, I'm just mentioning things I've noticed from watching the show.

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Golli
Jan 5, 2013



Grimey Drawer

In the opening scene:

VO: "The wind could be bargained with"

Eventually Wind comes.

On the plane:

McShane's character: "It's my day. Wind's Day."

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Grimey Drawer

Cojawfee posted:

Sorry if you guys couldn't figure it out. Like I said, I've never read the books, and I knew what he meant. I don't know if it's some big book spoiler, I'm just mentioning things I've noticed from watching the show.

I figured it out, but that's because I spent time reading mythology books in elementary school and read Gaiman's Sandman.

Other people will not know, because not everyone read Sandman nor mythology books nor do they look up the Wikipedia article for Wednesday.

It's a narrow mind that expects everyone else to know all the same things and have the same experiences as oneself.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

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I've never researched norse mythology, but at several points during my school years someone would bring up that the days of the week are named after old norse gods because it's a fun fact that pops up literally everywhere. I don't even know if that's what he really is, but book spoilers people made sure to pop in and talk about it anyway.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



It's really awesome how when I go "this is a spoiler" people decide to make it loving inescapable by just talking openly about how obvious it is

tin can made man
Apr 12, 2005

why don't you ask him
about his penis


As it is now, it's only a theory, highly supported by the text of the show; on that note I think it's fair discussion. It could even be wrong, since we have no rightful clue what will or will not be adapted from the novel.

etalian posted:

I was disappointed that there was no Redtube god.

This is an interesting point and puts some new flavor on the Bilquis scene. A more blunt property with the premise of "ancient sex goddess in Hollywood" would paint her as an ultra kinky dominatrix or something, but in this she's not even so much as a prostitute. She's a woman in the dating world looking for genuine attraction and lust, surrounded by men who have endless stores of pornography and for-hire thrills at every corner ("the most beautiful thing I haven't had to pay to touch"). In a sense, those types of easy lust-fulfillments are her "rival pantheons" and in the face of red tube and online escort services, of course she's obscure and diminished.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

sorry about your thread, Open Source Idiom

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006

If I win, I get to be a king. If I lose, I get to be a legend!!


biracial bear for uncut posted:

What'll really get people going is if there is a Christmas episode and we get into the overlap between Santa Claus and Odin (what with the myths of the former borrowing a lot from the latter's Wild Hunt and the giving of gifts in exchange for food/drink left out for them while they hunt).

Someone's been reading the Dresden Files.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

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Arist posted:

It's really awesome how when I go "this is a spoiler" people decide to make it loving inescapable by just talking openly about how obvious it is

Then don't bring it up. Don't discuss the book in the thread like the OP asked. If someone says "this is a spoiler by the way, you should spoiler tag this" every time someone talks about something from the show, it's going to get pretty annoying.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Cojawfee posted:

Then don't bring it up. Don't discuss the book in the thread like the OP asked. If someone says "this is a spoiler by the way, you should spoiler tag this" every time someone talks about something from the show, it's going to get pretty annoying.


I didn't bring it up and I wasn't talking about the book, what the gently caress are you talking about? Asking someone to tag untagged book discussion is "annoying"? Who gives a poo poo?

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

Mass Effect is good


etalian posted:

I was disappointed that there was no Redtube god.

If Media is anything like she is in the books then you might get your wish.

Gillian Anderson doing the "Wanna see Lucy's tits?" scene, hubba hubba!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

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Arist posted:

I didn't bring it up and I wasn't talking about the book, what the gently caress are you talking about? Asking someone to tag untagged book discussion is "annoying"? Who gives a poo poo?

Read my post again. Telling people who haven't read the books to tag their post because they don't know it's a book spoiler is annoying and, get this, a spoiler.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Cojawfee posted:

Read my post again. Telling people who haven't read the books to tag their post because they don't know it's a book spoiler is annoying and, get this, a spoiler.

Golli posted:

I read the book a long time ago.

Shut the gently caress up dude, you didn't even read the post I was responding to.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


Should there maybe be a separate spoiler/book readers thread, like for GoT? Or would that be an awful idea? It's been a while since I've read the books, but I could maybe throw something together in the next couple days

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

Mass Effect is good


Tyler Perry's Media

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

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Arist posted:

Shut the gently caress up dude, you didn't even read the post I was responding to.

Sorry, I was referring to all the posts quoting me and bitching at me for a thing I got from watching the show. But anyway, someone should probably make a separate book spoilers thread so us non book readers can enjoy and talk about this show.

Cojawfee fucked around with this message at May 2, 2017 around 00:23

Golli
Jan 5, 2013



Grimey Drawer

Can we please move on past the spoiler slapfight?

I read the book a long time ago.
I didn't know it was a potential spoiler. See above, I read the book a long time ago, so I could be wrong.
It took me 1 minute to edit my post. It really didn't hurt me at all to do so.

To recap: Right now, all we know from the show is:

    Some Norsemen landed in America, got stuck.
    Bargained with the wind to get unstuck.
    Centuries later, our hero meets a mysterious old guy that says "Wednesday (pronounced Winds-day)" is his day.

Perhaps the rest of the season will shed some more light on whether this is just a coincidence.

Thus my dissatisfaction with the heavy reliance on promotional material and book readership to generate interest.

Normal Adult Human
Feb 12, 2012

Nah.


are there seriously people who think vikings worship the wind

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

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Golli posted:

Can we please move on past the spoiler slapfight?

I read the book a long time ago.
I didn't know it was a potential spoiler. See above, I read the book a long time ago, so I could be wrong.
It took me 1 minute to edit my post. It really didn't hurt me at all to do so.

To recap: Right now, all we know from the show is:

    Some Norsemen landed in America, got stuck.
    Bargained with the wind to get unstuck.
    Centuries later, our hero meets a mysterious old guy that says "Wednesday (pronounced Winds-day)" is his day.

Perhaps the rest of the season will shed some more light on whether this is just a coincidence.

Thus my dissatisfaction with the heavy reliance on promotional material and book readership to generate interest.

It wasn't a wind god, it was a war god. That's why they fought each other so he would give them wind.

Normal Adult Human
Feb 12, 2012

Nah.


like the hierarchy of ancient extinct cultures you learn about in third grade goes

Egypt
Norse
China

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


I think we just did Greek myths in school, tbh.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011




Golli posted:

Can we please move on past the spoiler slapfight?

I read the book a long time ago.
I didn't know it was a potential spoiler. See above, I read the book a long time ago, so I could be wrong.
It took me 1 minute to edit my post. It really didn't hurt me at all to do so.

To recap: Right now, all we know from the show is:

    Some Norsemen landed in America, got stuck.
    Bargained with the wind to get unstuck.
    Centuries later, our hero meets a mysterious old guy that says "Wednesday (pronounced Winds-day)" is his day.

Perhaps the rest of the season will shed some more light on whether this is just a coincidence.

Thus my dissatisfaction with the heavy reliance on promotional material and book readership to generate interest.

Also Mr Wednesday makes a quick crack about keeping his eyes out for talent "well the one I have at least".

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all

So, setting aside the usual book reader/show watcher slap fight, I just want to say that I'm really pleased they pulled this off.

Normal Adult Human posted:

like the hierarchy of ancient extinct cultures you learn about in third grade goes

Egypt
Norse
China

Golli
Jan 5, 2013



Grimey Drawer

Cojawfee posted:

It wasn't a wind god, it was a war god. That's why they fought each other so he would give them wind.

The intro scene says they made offerings to force the All-Father to notice them so far from their home and intercede on their behalf with the wind. So it wasn't just "a" war god. Whether they succeeded in drawing his attention or Kickstarting All-Father 2.0 is as yet to be determined.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006

If I win, I get to be a king. If I lose, I get to be a legend!!


Guy Mann posted:

If Media is anything like she is in the books then you might get your wish.

Gillian Anderson doing the "Wanna see Lucy's tits?" scene, hubba hubba!

Thanks for reminding me of this. Now I'm gonna be sad when it doesn't happen

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013



I thought it was a really nice detail in Mr. Wednesday's intro, in which he scams that airplane lady into getting him on first class, that (major spoilers revealed late in the book) he usually travels with his son, who takes care of everything for him. And of course, who does he sit next to on the plane but his boy, Shadow Moon?

Escape Addict
Jan 25, 2012


Some subtext I thought was really great was when Technical Boy's children beat and lynch a black man because it symbolizes how loving racist the faceless assholes on the Internet have become.

Also, their outfits seemed heavily inspired by A Clockwork Orange. The children of the digital age are anonymous racist sociopaths. Checks out.

Hubbardologist
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.


navyjack posted:

Thanks for reminding me of this. Now I'm gonna be sad when it doesn't happen

You're in luck. The Atlantic's review of the first few episodes (spoilers for the first few episodes, obviously) mentions that line specifically.

Anyways, I was extremely skeptical of this show when it was announced, mostly since then the casting choices went against my book-headcanon casting, which was admittedly ridiculous, but I was mostly happy with the choices they've made so far, and I'm excited to watch more. The visuals of the Technical Kid's limo and the lynching allusions of the Children beating & hanging Shadow where really well done. I'm not sold on the strawberry jam gore though.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012
Probation
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Aardark posted:

My word, things like that are obvious to you? You must be quite smart.

Cojawfee is just an rear end like that. He does it in TONS of threads. He is intentionally obtuse as a form of trolling or something.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Grimey Drawer

Escape Addict posted:

Some subtext I thought was really great was when Technical Boy's children beat and lynch a black man because it symbolizes how loving racist the faceless assholes on the Internet have become.

Also, their outfits seemed heavily inspired by A Clockwork Orange. The children of the digital age are anonymous racist sociopaths. Checks out.

What are the Children described as in the book?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!


There's a trailer up for the season with clips of more stuff, if you guys haven't seen it yet.

Its on their facebook page, can't find it on youtube yet...

Escape Addict posted:

Some subtext I thought was really great was when Technical Boy's children beat and lynch a black man because it symbolizes how loving racist the faceless assholes on the Internet have become.

Also, their outfits seemed heavily inspired by A Clockwork Orange. The children of the digital age are anonymous racist sociopaths. Checks out.

Yeah I thought that too, the codpieces were just way too clockwork orange. In a good way.

Steve Yun posted:

What are the Children described as in the book?

IIRC they were faceless goons in black suits. Gmen. They kept the faceless thing but changed their outfits to be more polygonal and thus identify with technical boy.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Steve Yun posted:

What are the Children described as in the book?

Just opened my copy to that page out of curiosity and they're not, really.

quote:

There were people sitting beside [Shadow], but he could not turn to look at them. . . . He realized that he had not yet got a clear look at either of the people who had been in the back seat with him. He did not know if they were men or women, old or young.

try the new taco place
Jan 4, 2004

hey mister... can u play drums while I sing and play plastic guitar???


This is a good thread about stuff that happens in the book American Gods

I like the show though, is there a thread for talking about the 70 minutes that aired on Starz with pictures and audio somewhere though?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Grimey Drawer

Arist posted:

Just opened my copy to that page out of curiosity and they're not, really.

I appreciate what the tv show did and the racial imagery, but I'm also playing with the idea of a bunch of anonymous fists and feet hitting Shadow by coming into frame and then popping out of frame

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at May 2, 2017 around 02:04

Escape Addict
Jan 25, 2012


There's a forums user with the handle "I would blow Dane Cook." I did not know Laura Moon posted on these forums.

ButteryNoodles
Jul 18, 2006
Deliciously satisfactory.

I'm a dummy. What was with all of the arrows? Just another god keeping those drat Vikings away?

Also, the last arrow that landed a beat late into the dead man's foot made me chuckle.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

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I think it was just the indigenous people of that land telling the vikings not to step foot off the beach.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012
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ButteryNoodles posted:

I'm a dummy. What was with all of the arrows? Just another god keeping those drat Vikings away?

Also, the last arrow that landed a beat late into the dead man's foot made me chuckle.

Yeah just seemed like the Natives were telling them to gently caress off, this is our land and we'll defend it.

I did think it was super awkward though that the Vikings were all "our god is a war god, so lets go to war against each other!"
Like... why not try going to war with the Natives?

I guess they (probably correctly) figured they were massively outnumbered and had no chance?

Reading it as a Native American / First Peoples god keeping them away is kinda fun though, I hadn't considered that. Its entirely plausible.

ButteryNoodles
Jul 18, 2006
Deliciously satisfactory.

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah just seemed like the Natives were telling them to gently caress off, this is our land and we'll defend it.

I did think it was super awkward though that the Vikings were all "our god is a war god, so lets go to war against each other!"
Like... why not try going to war with the Natives?

I guess they (probably correctly) figured they were massively outnumbered and had no chance?

Reading it as a Native American / First Peoples god keeping them away is kinda fun though, I hadn't considered that. Its entirely plausible.

I know right? It could've just been for comedic effect, but the accuracy and volume just stuck out to me. I guess it's more plausible that in a show/story about mythology and gods, a little exaggeration is to be expected.

I've read that there are more "coming to America" scenes in the other episodes. I'm kind of curious to see if that same level of overblown bullshit is in all of them.

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precision
May 7, 2006

Would you like to challenge?


Maybe it's a generational thing but I was taught the meanings behind the names of the days in middle school.

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