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Hizawk posted:Dexter taught me my most valuable TV lesson:. If you hate a show, stop. for me it was the Simpsons that taught the lesson "content will be stretched far beyond the point of recognition if it's profitable and you owe it 0 loyalty". I've also increasingly become skeptical of shows that haven't finished yet because the skillset for "launch a story" and "stick the landing" are totally different and the landscape is littered with corpses of the unfinished. no reason.
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Artelier posted:Just to add to book spoilers : Shadow figures out the con that Odin was pulling because throughout the book Odin was imparting his wisdom, teaching Shadow a lot of stuff that included his own examples of cons. And when everyone was busy with the war and Odin + Loki were ripe to level up, Shadow was like "I figured out the con. All your real con examples were two men cons, which when spread thinly over a 1000 page epic was like "Yeah, they had the seeds there the whole time. Just a neat moment that I distinctly remember even though I read the book like 10+ years ago. 588 pages, according to my copy. I love, however, that Gaiman name-drops Loki Lie-Smith as Shadow's cellmate Low-Key Lyesmith on page two of the text. When that all came together for me was such a great moment.
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Mar 30, 2021 17:19
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Fringe is like Control if there wasn't a Bureau of Control to handle all the stuff. Counterpart is like Control if the Bureau of Control only found one weird thing.
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Mar 30, 2021 17:42
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Y'all kinda got me wanting to watch Control. Loved Fringe. Wanted to love Counterpart, but the story didnt really keep up with the acting. J.K. Simmons was incredible considering he had very little to work with. Edit: Wait, Control is a video game? Way to make me feel old!
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Mar 30, 2021 19:22
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I'm sure there is a long play of Control on youtube somewhere.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:27
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Hizawk posted:At least I can happily say I contributed to the cancellation of the show, but binging the first season the second each episode aired, and slogging through the second season, and completely avoiding the third. Same (down to quitting Dexter even!) except I couldn't finish the second season. I think I gave up after that guy killed his dad with the Bach algorithm. Sounds like I didn't miss much.
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Mar 30, 2021 19:33
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I'm kinda sad it's not going to continue, sure it likely would have been a total trainwreck but I wanted to see how they would end it.
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Hizawk posted:Dexter taught me my most valuable TV lesson:. If you hate a show, stop. I can't even learn this lesson because now it's coming back with one of my fav actors (Clancy Brown) as the main villain 
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Mar 30, 2021 19:40
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Chris James 2 posted:I can't even learn this lesson because now it's coming back with one of my fav actors (Clancy Brown) as the main villain What the gently caress? Why?
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Mar 30, 2021 19:43
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Cojawfee posted:What the gently caress? Why? CoolCab posted:"content will be stretched far beyond the point of recognition if it's profitable and you owe it 0 loyalty".
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Mar 30, 2021 19:45
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I guess I need to give Fringe another shot, the first episode just seemed very...rough? Btw. everyone who hasn't needs to watch Continuum.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:15
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DarkCrawler posted:I guess I need to give Fringe another shot, the first episode just seemed very...rough? Something happens towards the end of the first season that kind of recontextualizes everything that came before it and unlocks the whole show.
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Mar 30, 2021 20:29
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The few episodes I watched of Fringe gave me a "X-Files but with a daytime budget" feel. Does is get better?
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Klungar posted:Have you watched Fringe? Seems that might be a bit closer to Control. Hakkesshu posted:Yeah Counterpart really isn't anything like Control whatsoever other than the fact that there's a secret government agency looking into Weird poo poo. Fringe is the correct touchstone. I have not, now I have two shows to watch  Also drat rip this show 
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Mar 31, 2021 01:10
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Kung Food posted:The few episodes I watched of Fringe gave me a "X-Files but with a daytime budget" feel. Does is get better? I think the overall arc is very compelling. If that doesn't hook you, at some point Denethor sings Love and Happiness
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Mar 31, 2021 02:00
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Kung Food posted:The few episodes I watched of Fringe gave me a "X-Files but with a daytime budget" feel. Does is get better? it's nothing like that at all
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Fringe is a good show, but it's aged a lot. If your expectation is modern premier serial television (see: American Gods S1) it's about as far away from that as possible, dropping just short of NCIS levels of weekly network TV. Much of it is a weekly procedural where you replace the murder of the week with "why is this person on fire for no reason" of the week. That's either a good or bad thing, depending on your POV. Some runs of episodes do a fairly decent job of straddling the line between weekly-episodic and story-arc based material, but I watched it through for the first time this year and it just feels like it wants to commit to the latter but can't. It would be a very different show if it was made today, which you can kinda feel when just watching it. S5 also did eventually commit to the longer arc format, but it missed the mark by a fair margin. I did still very much enjoy it and would recommend it to most people, but given the thread it's worth going in remembering it's 2008-era network TV.
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Khablam posted:Fringe is a good show, but it's aged a lot. If your expectation is modern premier serial television (see: American Gods S1) it's about as far away from that as possible, dropping just short of NCIS levels of weekly network TV. Much of it is a weekly procedural where you replace the murder of the week with "why is this person on fire for no reason" of the week. That's either a good or bad thing, depending on your POV. S5 felt like a rush job, which it kinda was.
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Mar 31, 2021 03:07
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Also there’s a billion reboots/revivals these days, even moreso than there used to be like a decade ago. I don’t blame them for trying it with Dexter, it’s dumb but it’s also gonna be hard* to give it a Worse ending this time so *obviously hard doesn’t mean impossible
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Mar 31, 2021 03:13
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Capn Beeb posted:Also drat rip this show Hey it's a post from November 2017!
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Mar 31, 2021 05:00
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Mixing stories of the week with a longer arc is kinda ideal so long as you don't wear out your welcome. Too much procedural and you're stuck in a status-quo of things never changing, too much of your arc and well, look at any streaming show. I didn't like FRINGE, particularly Anna Torv, in most of the first season. But I agree that towards the end of season one (and I want to say right at the end) the show finds a different gear and got a lot more enjoyable.
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DarkCrawler posted:Another great premise, cast, aesthetic and music squandered because of lovely writing. How does this keep happening?
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Mar 31, 2021 11:09
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Fringe is decent almost exclusively because of John Noble in my opinion. Dude carried that show extremely hard
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Nth Doctor posted:588 pages, according to my copy. I love, however, that Gaiman name-drops Loki Lie-Smith as Shadow's cellmate Low-Key Lyesmith on page two of the text. When that all came together for me was such a great moment. I have a confession about this part of the book. I picked up American Gods because my friend recommended it, I didn't read the back or find out anything about it. So when I read like the first two pages, I was like "Haha, that name sounds like Loki Lie-Smith, that's amusing." Fast forward half a book later and I'm like HOW DID I MAKE NOTE OF THAT AND STILL NOT SEE THIS COMING I AM NOT SMART
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Zzulu posted:Fringe is decent almost exclusively because of John Noble in my opinion. Dude carried that show extremely hard John Noble was the best actor on tv while Fringe was on, but I think that Joshua Jackson and Anna Torv stepped up quite well.
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Anna Torv got a lot better in S2-4, then fell completely asleep in S5 and looked like she was looking behind the camera to see when the day's shooting was due to end.
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My big issue with Anna Torv in Fringe had most to do with wardrobe. To me, the huge wool overcoats her character wore all the time made her head look absolutely tiny. 
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Gf and I are visiting house on the rock tomorrow, I’m not sure ive ever been, she saw gaiman there for an event in like 2009 “gathering of the gods” Even though I liked the third season it was a bit like a crippled animal after the seasons season. So a bit of downer it got canceled immediately before our trip but we’ll still have fun.
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DamnGlitch posted:Gf and I are visiting house on the rock tomorrow, I’m not sure ive ever been, she saw gaiman there for an event in like 2009 “gathering of the gods” i went there a few years ago and the place is genuinely weird. the guy desperately wanted to be frank lloyd wright, but whereas FLW created cool, interesting spaces, house on the rock guy just made a building where every single inch of it is odd and off-putting. then there's the museum where they give him a sycophantic hagiographic treatment that feels like a minor version of the kim family in north korea, and then there's the endless collection of old crap and weird spaces they've built since then. not interesting enough to visit again, but i give it a few points for being the product of personality cult built around someone with a clearly diseased mind.
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Ah well, sucks that it's being canceled but I honestly expected it to be canceled after (or during) Season 2. 3 Was... kind of slow but that part of the book is, and it was way better than 2.
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Mar 31, 2021 23:00
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Gotta get Gaiman to give Orlando Jones a blank check on Anansi Boys
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Mar 31, 2021 23:36
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I doubt Jones wants anything to do with a Gaiman work ever again.
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Kung Food posted:I doubt Jones wants anything to do with a Gaiman work ever again. He has nothing but positive things to say about Gaiman. He clearly was a fan of the work, considering he went to the trouble of writing scripts, despite it not being his job
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Sataere posted:He has nothing but positive things to say about Gaiman. He clearly was a fan of the work, considering he went to the trouble of writing scripts, despite it not being his job Yeah, the issue was Charles H Eglee, and with how rarely Eglee seems to do work (in the last decade aside from this he's only done executive production work on two televised documentaries and two TV seasons, and cowrote the story of Terminator Dark Fate) I don't think you'll have to worry about their paths crossing again
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Chris James 2 posted:Yeah, the issue was Charles H Eglee, and with how rarely Eglee seems to do work (in the last decade aside from this he's only done executive production work on two televised documentaries and two TV seasons, and cowrote the story of Terminator Dark Fate) I don't think you'll have to worry about their paths crossing again It's a shame, really, that it's so hard for authentic voices of Black culture to find work.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:i went there a few years ago and the place is genuinely weird. So house on the rock rules and is real fun and probably much more fun when being close to people doesn’t feel like proximity to death. It’s easy to feel why gaiman would sense like there’s some sort of American divinity there.
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So it's been about four years since watching season one, and I've started a new watch but have a small question after my fiancée pointed it out — in the second episode, how does Anansi know the future he tells the captured slaves? I figured it's because he's a trickster deity and related to stories, or oracular god. Wasn't sure if there's more to it.
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DamnGlitch posted:It’s easy to feel why gaiman would sense like there’s some sort of American divinity there. it's a peek at america's diseased soul, yes
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Sataere posted:He has nothing but positive things to say about Gaiman. He clearly was a fan of the work, considering he went to the trouble of writing scripts, despite it not being his job Makes me hope this is a make good
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1417832985047543813 That may be tricky WRT Orlando Jones. In the Facebook comments on this announcement, Gaiman pointed out that the Jones' depiction of the character Anansi is owned by Starz which fuckin sucks IMO. It's very much like Quicksilver in the MCU vs. X-Men universe before Disney bought X-Men from Fox.
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