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Highwang
Nov 7, 2013

No Pineapple?
No Thank You!


Also knowns as: I don't know how to title a thread to save my life!




What is this game?
Hollow Knight is a metroidvania made in February 2017 from Team Cherry, an Australia-based dev team. With a kickstarter goal of $35k and a final budget of $50k, Team Cherry worked for roughly 3 years on this game with relatively no fanfare or even basic advertising. Now out on Steam and planned for the Nintendo Switch and maybe the WiiU, this game made its debut with critical acclaim so far.

And rightfully so too, because this game is drat gorgeous and incredibly designed from a gameplay standard.

Hollow Knight chronicles the tale of Hallownest, a once-sprawling and advanced city network for bug civilizations up until it all mysteriously went to ruin. While the metropolis slumbers below, something within it rouses with an overwhelming anger. You play as a small beetle-like bug with no name, wandering through life until he finds his way to the town of Dirtmouth, which lays above the ruins of Hallownest. Spurned on by the drive for adventure and the general emptiness of Dirtmouth, our protagonist dives into the well that leads to the mysterious lands of Hallownest, seeking some goal that we are entirely unaware of.

Gameplay-wise, Hollow Knight draws a lot of inspiration from classic metroidvanias such as Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid, but doesn't directly rip from them. You will spend most of your time exploring areas, collecting various powerups and fighting bosses to advance the plot. Naturally there will be all the tropes such as Double Jumps, Air Dashes, Charge Attacks, and even a psuedo-Shine Spark later on. Combat is very basic action platformy hack & slashy, with more of an emphasis put on reacting to whatever enemies throw at you rather than stringing sick combos together. You also have a "Focus Gauge" that you build up from attacking enemies and spend on either healing or other abilities to help keep the pace of exploration going while you're within the ruins.

So. What sets this game apart from the pile of every other indie game ever?
Hollow Knight is one of those games where it doesn't really innovate but rather polishes the design model to a mirror shine. This game is so huge and engaging that when I first picked it up I didn't put it down for the longest time. Exploration is fast with no real breaks in pace for resupplying, and each zone has its own unique flair to it that makes it stand out. Combat starts out simple but evolves with the game as you get mandatory unlocks and optional badges that wholly change the dynamic of the game system. Level design is probably the biggest thing that impressed me about this game, with several levels providing a decent challenge without ever breaking the atmosphere and world-building from the game's art direction.

Finally, the game is gorgeous. This game only had two animators and a salaryman's budget, but it art direction and animation quality rivals that of most popular animated series' nowadays.

Plans for this LP:
Joining me for this LP is BigTUnit1 providing blind commentary and really good inquiries about the game. This is also my first-ever LP at 1080p/60fps. The LP itself has two goals:

-100% the game. While this sounds like a simple thing, my first blind playthrough ran about 40 hours long. This LP will not last nearly as long, but the game's got content pouring out of its eyesockets.

-While this may sound insanely petty, I'm really hoping this LP will convince people to buy the game. Now I won't be obnoxious about this at all and plug its purchase at every opportunity, but these devs are entirely dependent on viral marketing from online superstars and I'm hoping this LP will help get the word out about the game and how fantastic it is.

-Though this isn't really a goal, this game is sprawling and doesn't gate you out of areas. While I've already kinda missed the first chance, I will try to find points to poll the audience on where to go next. This should make for a more dynamic exploration of the game that's outside of my comfort zone.


Table of Contents

Episode 1: The Forgotten Crossroads
Episode 2: False Knight
Episode 3: Greenpath & Hornets
Episode 4: Exploring Greenpath & Beyond
Episode 5: The Fungal Wastes
Episode 6: Highwang Dies in Acid
Episode 7: The City of Tears
Episode 8: The Soul Sanctum
Episode 9: The Royal Waterways
Episode 10: The Resting Grounds
Episode 11: The Crystal Caverns
Episode 12: Isma's Tear
Episode 13: The Ancient Basin
Episode 14: The Kingdom's Edge
Episode 15: The Infected Crossroads
Episode 16: Deepnest
Episode 17: The Hive
Episode 18: The Queen's Garden
Episode 19: The Tower of Love & Colosseum of Fools
Episode 20: The Howling Cliffs
Episode 21: The King's Brand
Episode 22: The Abyss
Episode 23: The 1800 Brain Knife
Episode 24: The White Palace
Episode 25: The Cleanup, pt 1
Episode 26: The Dreamers
Episode 27: The Escort Quest
Episode 28: The Radiance
Episode 29: The Grimm Troupe
Episode 30: ??????????

Appendix A: Zote's Precepts
Appendix B: Colosseum of Fools
Appendix C: Grubfly Cleanup
Appendix D: Dream Trees

Fanart!

blankd liked our ideas for editing cards and hooked us up with custom art!


Fish Noise demonstrates why I loathe lore with rad art.

Highwang fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Feb 6, 2018

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White Coke
May 29, 2015


Are there mosquito enemies in this one too?

JohnOfOrdo3
Nov 7, 2011

My other car is an asteroid


This looks pretty cute and cool! It also helps you know what you're doing. That always helps

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


A very good game.

As long as you don't mind bugs, of course. There are a couple of areas that make my skin itch.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm not a hero...





That opening screen makes me think of the poster for My Neighbor Totoro.

Devdisigdu
Mar 23, 2016

The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.


I should really play more of this. I love the art design and the overall aesthetic of the game so I bought it pretty much right as it came out, but I only played about 6 hours of it. Got to a part that frustrated me a bit and just never got back to it.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me



A friend just gifted me this game so I think I might try a simultaneous playthrough.

LashLightning
Feb 20, 2010

You know you didn't have to go post that, right?
But it's fine, I guess...

You just keep being you!



Add another "I have this game and you should totally also have this game" recommendation to the growing pile.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Play this game.
Now.
Just do it already!

This may well be the best metroidvania I have ever played.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




I like the game a lot but I've run out of patience with metroid-like backtracking, it seems, so I've stalled out. Highwang will probably pull ahead of me pretty fast.

Chard
Aug 24, 2010






loving beautiful game, I beat it in around 20 hours and at 75%. I'm interested in seeing how you go about 100%ing it compared to where I said gently caress it and gave up in pursuit of plot. Definitely recommended for anyone who like the genre

mateo360
Mar 20, 2012

TOO MANY PEOPLE MERLOCK!
ONLY ONE DIJON!


the protag is a stag beetle so your name is right



this is a Hercules beetle

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~




This game is a far better 2D Dark Souls than Salt & Sanctuary. Everyone should play it.

Edit: I'm glad that Quirrel gets to be on the promo image. He's really likeable and I don't know why.

Knorth
Aug 18, 2014



Buglord

I really like this game and seeing more people discover it is pretty great, hope your lp goes well

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm not a hero...





Are swords called nails because... all the characters are insects, and thus are small, so they actually use nails as swords?

Knorth
Aug 18, 2014



Buglord

Yes

dancingbears
May 10, 2011

You're an idiot,
so start acting
like one.



I had no idea that this game existed, but it's right up my alley, so I guess I get to be the first to say that this LP made me buy this game.

You were talking about trying to nail the nature of the contrary tone, and the closest I can think of would be something cheerfully dismal like Mortasheen the Addams Family. Things are dark and evil is afoot, but that's no reason to be down about things! Have a blood smoothie and let's sing about the end of the world, it'll be fun!

dancingbears
May 10, 2011

You're an idiot,
so start acting
like one.



EDIT: Double post, sorry!

dancingbears fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 25, 2017

Obligatum VII
May 5, 2014

Haunting you until no 8 arrives.

Hollow Knight is incredibly good and I've been shamelessly attempting to badger my friends into purchasing it. I'm sitting at 92% completion and about 30 hours, myself (blind playthrough).

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.



Clapping Larry

Aw, the little disappointed sounds the silkworm made when you couldn't make the jump over.

Bacter
Jan 27, 2012

Nie wywoluj wilka z lasu, glupku.

Very pumped about this - I'd had my eye on this game!

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy




Soiled Meat

This game seems really cute, and it seems like it controls well. Is it friendly to filthy casuals like me, or is it more like shovel knight where if you didn't grow up playing Megaman you should probably pass on it?

VolticSurge
Jul 23, 2013

Just your friendly neighborhood photobomb raptor.





PoptartsNinja posted:

This game seems really cute, and it seems like it controls well. Is it friendly to filthy casuals like me, or is it more like shovel knight where if you didn't grow up playing Megaman you should probably pass on it?

It's overall pretty forgiving. Until you reach an area late in the game,where it suddenly decides you're gonna have a bad time.

Obligatum VII
May 5, 2014

Haunting you until no 8 arrives.

VolticSurge posted:

It's overall pretty forgiving. Until you reach an area late in the game,where it suddenly decides you're gonna have a bad time.

That area certainly makes up for lost time though. I'd say it's tougher than any part of Shovel Knight.

That said, the rest of the game is pretty forgiving, at least critical path stuff is.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

By the end of the game, you should be so familiar with those tight controls that it works out.
And you can straight up cheese some of the bosses with the right set up.
I really want anyone who's on the edge to give it a shot. It's so incredibly good! It's actually kinda sad that the thread in games has only one page.

ThornBrain
Jan 25, 2011


Much like Grimrock 2 and Darkest Dungeon, your LP will likely decide for me whether I buy the game or not.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

Definitely the best Metroidvania I played in years, probably competing with Aquaria for my favorite one period. Super glad someone is LPing it, more people should know about this game.

e: The awesome thing about the spike bounce is that you'll most likely discover it when falling to your death and trying everything not to. I know I did.
The Dark Souls parallels when it comes to a storytelling work... A bit too well in my opinion, but we'll get to that much later.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 26, 2017

vdate
Oct 25, 2010


Highwang posted:

Dirtmouth

You have my attention.

And now that I've watched the video, you still have my attention! This looks neat, and yeah, even from what we've seen thus far it looks like a skilled player could snap this game over their knee with movement tricks.

vdate fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 26, 2017

Quinton
Apr 25, 2004



Nice intro video for the LP! Looking forward to more. I love this game.

I finished my first playthrough at 80% completion and 40-odd hours and the least-good ending a couple days ago and am now collecting more things and aiming to try to get the better ending(s).

Re: Difficulty, I found the boss battles pretty challenging (and some took quite a few tries), but the game is pretty fair in the Dark Souls sense -- moves are telegraphed, you can learn them, and you also can go get more skills, charms, etc, which help tip the tables in your favor as well. The first boss that I had a really hard time with is, I'm guessing, going to be the second one we see in the LP, and I made it way way harder for myself by a. not realizing there was a much closer bench to "save" at and b. not realizing at first that the battle cries were not specific attack cues, but *animations* were. When I started ignoring the sound and paying more attention to the boss's motion it suddenly got *way* easier...

Re: Common weapons being referred to as "nails"... I'm not entirely sure if it's "nails like claws" or "nails like small pointy metal things" or a bit of both. Probably a bit of both?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

Could also be "nails like cut off and discarded tips of human nails". They're bugs, who knows what their weapons are made out of.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~




Given that a later enemy has a weapon referred to as a needle and thread, it's the small metal pointy things.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015

BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS





This game is insanely good and isn't getting nearly as much attention as it deserves, everyone should buy it now.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.


SirSamVimes posted:

Given that a later enemy has a weapon referred to as a needle and thread, it's the small metal pointy things.

Plus, a bug that comes into contact with a nail (or more correctly, a pin) is probably dead and about to be nailed to a board. The relation nail=death seems pretty obvious.

Shei-kun
Dec 2, 2011

Screw you, physics!


Okay, I'd heard about this game but had no idea what kind of gameplay it had.

Now I'm really tempted to buy it despite not having funds right now. Definitely putting it on my wishlist, though!

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?


Thread title should clearly be This game has too many bugs.

mateo360 posted:

the protag is a stag beetle so your name is right

Well uh, not quite. This game plays it pretty fast and loose with entomology.

VolticSurge posted:

It's overall pretty forgiving. Until you reach an area late in the game,where it suddenly decides you're gonna have a bad time.

I'd say the opposite if we're talking about mandatory stuff. The game is really hard when you're starting out, but gets way easier as you go. Then you get to the optional endgame content...

I dont know
Aug 9, 2003



Never heard about this before, but a atmospheric, well polished Metriodvania is exactly my poo poo. I'm probably not going to watch anymore videos, since I want to run through it blind, but, hey, you convinced another buyer.

IBlameRoadSuess
Feb 20, 2012

Fucking technology...

At least I HAVE THIS!


Having just bought this the other day, and spending my entire sunday playing it, I'm eager to see how a skilled run of this goes. I got owned so hard when I got to a few specific areas.

This game is so loving good, it's very much in my top five games of 2017 already. Far, far better than any of the past several metroid games, and definitely better than the Castlevania's in year's past.

Highwang
Nov 7, 2013

No Pineapple?
No Thank You!


New Update - Episode 2: False Knight

Today we finish off the forgotten crossroads, which is a pretty huge area for a tutorial zone. I kinda like the size of the area at least, its just big enough for players to experiment with their controls and get used to the game alongside setting the atmosphere of this giant bug city that everyone forgot about.

False Knight is a boss that can be surprisingly tough, mainly because of how little you realize you can do at the beginning of the game. He's got a halfway decent mixup game with his jumps, and not knowing about the projectile advantage from the falling debris can make the fight rather dire. I am curious about what the heck happened with that glitch though.

We also get a cool new ability that I make great use of as the LP goes on. I do enjoy risk/reward options, and I feel like this new ability is an appropriate amount of reward for the healing you sacrifice.

Roobanguy
May 30, 2011



The false knight was the 3rd boss I killed. When he fell I didn't chase him the first time and went through the gate that you can break. I was pretty dang confused on where to go like 5 hours later.

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anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

I'm fairly sure that bit about fast traveling to benches is a lie... Or did I miss something really useful and obvious?

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