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spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Whenever a bad thing happens there's no other news that day, so I'm not sure what else people were going to read.

EDIT: In 196 AD Hadrian's wall was partly destroyed, leading to the permanent and irrevocable union of Britain.

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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009


Pissflaps posted:

It's not just 'the media' though - people want to read that stuff that's why it's the most read.

My point isn't that they are the most read, but that the uncontrolled vomit of coverage from every conceivable angle is of such volume that it can populate an entire "10 most read" articles sidebar.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

"goddamnedtwisto" (not his real name) is banned from the isle of wight for trying to overthrow the democratically elected mps there to set up bradley from s club 7 (now s club 3) as the island's new communist dictator. think about that when reading his posts



Fun Shoe

Trickjaw posted:

Well, guess who has owned up to last night. It wasn't GCHQ, either.

https://twitter.com/ryxnf/status/866986679424491522

e: oops

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/866961559259623424

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese


Jippa posted:

According to Reuters, Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack.

Note that while ISIS claims responsibility for these attacks, that doesn't mean there is an Al-Qaeda style network in Europe - IS attacks follow much more the ideas of Abu Musab al-Suri, who became disillusioned at Al Qaeda's inefficient and expensive camps, instead writing articles and giving lectures on how "lone wolf" attacks, conducted with no outside support and just guidance from other jihadis, were the most effective method in furthering the aims of global jihad in the West.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009



WeAreTheRomans posted:

That's cool man. Usually when I push back against anti-Irish racism ITT people like pissflaps go off on tangents about the Empire, so it's nice to see a reasonable response! It's one of those ones like "gypped" that not everyone automatically associates with racism, but we're all learning​ all the time

For what it's worth I originally assumed it was a friendly dig like when Brits are called "Limey" - not helped by Paddy Power being a brand name. I'll avoid using it myself in future.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009


Raid going down:

Mr Hamed, who runs the Q2 management company, which maintains the buildings in the Whalley Range/Chorlton area of Manchester where a police raid is taking place in relation to the attack (see 12.40pm and 12.56pm), says a flat at the back end of the complex was raided close to the Spire Hospital. He was called to the building by a relative who lives in the flats. He said:

"My daughter in law lives here and she rang me to say that police are here. All the people are living here are families. I canít believe that. I did not know them personally but have a good number coming from outside the UK, like students, but we donít have any people living on their own. It is not good news.

We have students from Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Libya and then families from Manchester. They are two-bed flats. They are from every race."

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames



Oh man.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

I mean it's possible the entire world just really wants to know how Ariana Grande feels, in particular, but the front page of the beeb at the moment contains four non-related stories before the general election break, in smaller font by the side. Conversely the manchester attack has 22, including the first three entries on the list the other four are buried on. You would have to be actively looking to notice that there's other news today.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009


Like seriously "here's what trump says", "what does ariana grande think?", "let's look at the locals", and on and on and on and on. It's dizzying and saddening somehow. And of course people are reading it because it's there, butÖ. Why? Obviously because people will read it, but it all seems unnecessary and squalid.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames


Twenty years ago this story would have taken up half a newspaper with multiple stories on each angle - and that's the same now except we also have numerous digital methods of consuming news.

I don't think people's desire to read this stuff is new, just the opportunity to do so.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009



spectralent posted:

I mean it's possible the entire world just really wants to know how Ariana Grande feels, in particular, but the front page of the beeb at the moment contains four non-related stories before the general election break, in smaller font by the side. Conversely the manchester attack has 22, including the first three entries on the list the other four are buried on. You would have to be actively looking to notice that there's other news today.

Oof, not the best coincidence.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

The top 5 most watched at least has a story about a comedian who met trump, which... I guess that's at least not part of the unending torrent of misery.

Oberleutnant posted:

Like seriously "here's what trump says", "what does ariana grande think?", "let's look at the locals", and on and on and on and on. It's dizzying and saddening somehow. And of course people are reading it because it's there, but…. Why? Obviously because people will read it, but it all seems unnecessary and squalid.

I don't know. You could easily have the massive top splash with a dropdown menu of things to pick include all that stuff and leave the space under the header for other news. It's just vulturelike.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



it's not about informing or even entertaining people by pandering to their morbid curiosity, it's about eliciting a particular emotional response that they can then build a self-propagating narrative out of

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Oberleutnant posted:

"what does ariana grande think?"

Big question. Going to guess she's not come out with anything as stupid as the bloke from Eagles of Death Metal after the Bataclan attack, probably just that she's sad her fans have been killed. Maybe something about music being something that's meant to be bring us together rather than split us apart?

Am I right?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames


TomViolence posted:

it's not about informing or even entertaining people by pandering to their morbid curiosity, it's about eliciting a particular emotional response that they can then build a self-propagating narrative out of

I think they mainly just want clicks.



forkboy84 posted:

Big question. Going to guess she's not come out with anything as stupid as the bloke from Eagles of Death Metal after the Bataclan attack, probably just that she's sad her fans have been killed. Maybe something about music being something that's meant to be bring us together rather than split us apart?

Am I right?

Wow this is cynical as hell.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



expecting anything more profound than something like "i heard a loud bang" or "this is just terrible" in the situation's quite a big ask tbf

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

forkboy84 posted:

Big question. Going to guess she's not come out with anything as stupid as the bloke from Eagles of Death Metal after the Bataclan attack, probably just that she's sad her fans have been killed. Maybe something about music being something that's meant to be bring us together rather than split us apart?

Am I right?

She has a bit of a unique perspective, being heartbroken, sorry, and lost for words. This is in contrast with a mother of a fifteen year old who they interviewed, who's lost for words and shocked, but presumably not heartbroken.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009



forkboy84 posted:

Big question. Going to guess she's not come out with anything as stupid as the bloke from Eagles of Death Metal after the Bataclan attack, probably just that she's sad her fans have been killed. Maybe something about music being something that's meant to be bring us together rather than split us apart?

Am I right?

All I've seen so far is that she feels personally responsible for the deaths. Which is an understandable response on an emotional level (even though she's objectively not responsible in the slightest), and I feel sorry for her.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...

Clapping Larry

Pissflaps posted:

I think they mainly just want clicks.

Correct. The media (other than maybe The Sun) don't really have an agenda other than making money. Every single thing they do is informed by that goal. Even the Mail just really caters to its audience.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



hence the need for a narrative they can milk

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Pissflaps posted:

Wow this is cynical as hell.

No it's not. It's literally what I expect Ariana Grande to say about this. I also think it's probably what I'd say, if I was in her place. Coz what the gently caress else is there to say? And having checked the story on the BBC site, I'm not totally off on the first part, but she said nothing about the second half.

I think the media having a story based on a single tweet by a singer who is probably fairly traumatised after the horrible event is far more cynical than my speculation to be blunt.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Tesseraction posted:

All I've seen so far is that she feels personally responsible for the deaths. Which is an understandable response on an emotional level (even though she's objectively not responsible in the slightest), and I feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry she's feeling that way and sorry she has to feel that way in a society where we think anyone's fair game for tragedy porn if they have a twitter account. It's gross.

forkboy84 posted:

I think the media having a story based on a single tweet by a singer who is probably fairly traumatised after the horrible event is far more cynical than my speculation to be blunt.

Yeah. Let's publicise the grief of people who aren't thinking clearly for money! Nothing wrong with that. The press doesn't need regulating, no sir.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 18, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge


Pochoclo posted:

Correct. The media (other than maybe The Sun) don't really have an agenda other than making money. Every single thing they do is informed by that goal. Even the Mail just really caters to its audience.

And to continue to make money, they have to create a narrative where the consumer trusts that particular outlet more than others. An easy way of doing that is by repeating a message over and over until the consumer believes it.

See: "Immigrants are the problem!" "Maybe immigrants are the problem, the Daily Mail is telling it as it is!"

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

On a note other than the current tragedy:

quote:

A last minute surge in people registering to vote has seen a quarter of a million young people under 25 years old sign up on the last possible day before the general election.

Cabinet Office figures show that a total of 622,000 people registered to vote on 22 May, of which 246,000 were under 25.

Young people were dominant among those registering, with 207,000 aged 25 to 34 Ė compared to just 10,000 people over the age of 65.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops


let's just hope these aren't the fuckers who buy that a living wage is bad because we have to compete with china in the services sector.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon


Tesseraction posted:

https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/st...954501487460355

When will the government deal with the imminent threat of Rosie O'Donnell and Cher??

i'm surprised trump's moving speech in saudi arabia didnt deter this latest terrorist

josh04
Oct 19, 2008

I'll see you in the dome





Pochoclo posted:

Correct. The media (other than maybe The Sun) don't really have an agenda other than making money. Every single thing they do is informed by that goal. Even the Mail just really caters to its audience.

Newspapers in the UK have been at best coasting and at worst wildly unprofitable for years. Individual journalists have a motivation to stay employed in a shrinking field, but the newspapers themselves are run primarily for their ideological influence.

e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...rofits-revenues

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009




Yeah, Labour seemed to be ready to champion that stat today until something distracted them.

buckets of buckets
Apr 8, 2012



I'll take 'places that allow mass immigration' for 500

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012




I see this a lot with how many young people are registering compared to everyone else, but wasn't the whole point of the Tories' changes to voter registration that it disproportionately hit young people and poor people, coincidentally Labour's biggest demographics, so obviously there'd be more registrations coming from them?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames


'Ugh you mean I have to go and put a mark in a box as well??' -70% of those freshly registered voters.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009


https://twitter.com/ShirazMaher/sta...988753432268800

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009


buckets of buckets posted:

I'll take 'places that allow mass immigration' for 500

Get out you piece of poo poo.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



crusaders

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009




Someone might want to point out that their Allah is just al-Baghdadi in a wig.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...

Clapping Larry


Those children listening to pop songs were going to storm Jerusalem any second

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


buckets of buckets posted:

I'll take 'places that allow mass immigration' for 500

gently caress off, you vile sack of poo poo.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.



ariana grande's new hit single deus vult, in stores now

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012




gently caress, I don't know why the shittiness of referring to the victims as "crusaders" strikes me coming from an organisation willing to nail bomb a bunch of little kids but it does. They murdered a bunch of little girls and are trying to make it sound more impressive or brave than that. Cowards.

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010






This is a good sign for Labour, isn't it?

I follow a few politically active YouTubers and some of them are Brits. One of them posted a video the other day about how Noam Chomsky came out in full support of Corbyn. Chomsky is a dude I agree with the vast majority of the time and I trust. I bring this up mainly because Chomsky likened Corbyn to Sanders and of course Sanders had the young people vote.

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