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Guavanaut posted:It's currently leading the Lib Dems. That's not fair Cardboard is sturdier than any of the Lib Dems actual policies
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Alchenar posted:e: this is not Corbyn's fault, it's probably fairer to say that the voters who became disillusioned under the Blair years are not being drawn back by him, while at the same time the core who remained happy with Blair are being actively repelled. And that's how you get to a point where Labour is looking like hitting rock bottom at this election.  A bunch of polls have Labour around the same level as Miliband in 2015 though? The difference is the huge jump the Tories have made by pandering to the UKIP base and stealing all their voters.
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Marmaduke! posted:I love that May's response to the Juncker dinner account is to basically go "Nuh-uhh, strong and stable, get the best deal". A bit like when people would accuse the Russians of helping Trump he'd go "No way, there is no need to worry about contact between my guys and the Russians - but the Russians are legit cool and great, and Putin is strong and sexy". The best part of the account is Juncker using bigger and bigger numbers to describe his scepticism as the dinner progresses
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Good news: the NEC have approved the socialist Labour candidate for the GE in my constituency. Very glad since the alternative was a literal Blue Labour guy (the previous candidate stood down since he'd lost twice to the Tory MP already)
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I like how in these days of Trump and Brexit people think "gotchas" like this have any value with the public
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May 2, 2017 10:07
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/857994119389622279 I know people who pretty much think that anything outside of the M25 is savage undifferentiated wilderness, so this doesn't surprise me in the least Also my great-grandpa was from Plymouth and considered Bristol to be the start of the North.
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May 2, 2017 10:51
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Zephro posted:Let's have the argument about whether Bristol is part of the West Country again Bristol: in the West Country, but not of it
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May 2, 2017 11:21
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Pochoclo posted:Don't worry, we have a neoliberal government now. We can all be friends while privatising everything, under the glorious banner of unchecked capitalism. Good job no neoliberal government has ever gone to war with another country for spurious reasons
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El Grillo posted:Uh... What the gently caress happened here http://www.itv.com/news/2017-05-02/...nterview-gaffe/ We already talked about it, you missed your chance to breathlessly run in and call it a car cra-*BONG*
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Alchenar posted:Sorry, I don't think anyone is buying this. The other MPs could have been more supportive of the leadership, but it's not their place or their responsibility to take on the role of sock puppets for a leadership that isn't competent. This would be fine if people like Woodcock hadn't said from the minute that Corbyn was going to win the leadership that they were never going to work or cooperate with him. This is nothing to do with Corbyn's competence (which has been surprisingly good in the campaign) and everything to do with not wanting a left wing Labour party.
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ukle posted:The way Labour are handling this fiasco is blowing any progress they had made with the good start to the campaign. The only way they could win it back is if Abbot offered her resignation and didn't stand in the GE, but she won't do that as she has never done anything that's not in her own interests. Settle down man, jesus
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Ewan posted:Is there anywhere that provides a good overview of the Lib Dems' economic ideology, especially how it has (or hasn't) changed since Farron took over? As far as I can tell, he wasn't part of the super-liberal and free-marketeering "Orange Book" wing of the party but I can't really find where he (or the party more broadly) stands. I know people here are quick to dismiss Lib Dems as free marketeers and power-seeking capitalists who will give in on their ideals at any sniff of power, but a lot of this stems from the Clegg days (he was a so-called "Orange Booker", and TBH I can't really find much that suggests that's still where they lie economically. Any look at the Lib Dem's policy page (http://www.libdems.org.uk/issues) gives you two overwhelming impressions: 1: While the various policies state that there are things to be improved, it is clear that the status quo as it is now is generally acceptable aside from details; 2: There is no overall ideology behind these policies other than a tacit acceptance of neoliberalism, so while Farron & co. might not necessarily be "Orange Book" fans, they certainly don't seem to be critics either.
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I'm really excited for this election for a whole bunch of reasons, but frankly I have no idea what is going to happen and would not be surprised at either Corbyn being PM or the Tories having a majority of 100 At least we can have a good crack at booting out Anna Soubry in my constituency.
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Forkboy mate, you seem a bit depressed. Have you considered letting the light of Jeremy Corbyn, who is good and strong and your friend, into your heart ?
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GaussianCopula posted:Did I miss something or were there just 15-20 angry guys yelling stuff? Sorry that the angry guys weren't blackshirts to make you feel more comfortable
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May 3, 2017 10:53
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Guavanaut posted:They should have said troops instead to remove the ambiguity. *in an extremely Navy voice* AHEM I think you mean WARFIGHTERS you valour stealing prick
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May 3, 2017 12:09
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Just tried looking up the history of the various communist parties in Great Britain and  More factions than the IRA
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May 3, 2017 14:42
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JFairfax posted:wearing a belt with jeans or nice dickies work trousers can be quite helpful for carrying things when doing manual labour I once wore too tight polyester trousers on a 13 hours hospital portering shift, I chapped my thighs so bad they bled
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May 3, 2017 14:57
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forkboy84 posted:There is nothing that the far left does better than split over seemingly pointless doctrinal or organisational points (which might matter if the left was to take power but until then seems utterly futile). Lenin obviously has a lot of blame to take on that front, though clearly that dumb attitude predated him and the RSDRP split and is ingrained in Marxism really. It's not at all helpful. I'm well aware of this just the reality when i'm confronted with it still boggles my mind
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Ewan posted:https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/may/03/how-do-britains-highest-earners-feel-about-their-income This should be put up as the ultimate indictment of capitalism, in that the bourgeois suck all the capital out of society and are sitting at the top of hierarchy yet they're still loving miserable.
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jabby posted:John Woodcock has been reselected by the NEC to represent Labour. A man who has said in the event of a Labour majority of one he would withdraw his support from the party and prevent them forming a government because he doesn't want Corbyn to be Prime Minister. I'm not sure about that, it might have just been that due to the circumstances no good candidates submitted applications. There have been plenty of decent left-wing candidates nominated in seats where crusty blairites could have been put up.
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UKIP 7, holy lol Can't wait to ask my dad about why all the northerners didn't vote for Paul Nuthall like he said they would
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Oberleutnant posted:My maternal grandmother was Irish so I'm sorted if I want to leave, but I think I'm going to stick it out because I loving love being poor and angry 24/7.  Can't wait until society collapses and getting two years of living in anarcho-syndaclist Nottingham before God-Queen May's spider drones liquidate the city
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Sapozhnik posted:~9 months away from getting my green card and finalizing my move to the USA, fingers crossed. The Democrats haven't even admitted why they were defeated yet. Hell, a bunch of Democrats are still clinging to the idea that actually Hillary won because she won the popular vote. The Republicans meanwhile are 1 state away from being able to hold a constitutional convention. US politics is *completely hosed*.
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Sapozhnik posted:Hyperloops are on a Dahir Insaat level of dumb poo poo "Why have high-speed rail when we could spend 1000 times as much on completely untested technology?" The best part about hyperloop is it ends somewhere like 100km north of LA, so it completely negates the advantage its supposed to have over planes.
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serious gaylord posted:The parties are allowed people to 'observe' the count and they can generally get an idea of how its going. The count doesn't start till 10am tomorrow. Returns from GOTV around Nottingham today seemed pretty good, obviously there is a lot of Nottinghamshire outside of Nottingham though. Currently it's Labour controlled but not Labour majority. MikeCrotch fucked around with this message at 22:41 on May 4, 2017 |
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Turnout is likely to depressed anyway due to the number of elections there have been recently & are upcoming. It was only 38% last time around for the locals, it was looking pretty poor round my area which isn't a great sign for Labour. Oh also, I met Keir Starmer canvassing today and can confirm he is posh as gently caress. Some woman on the doorstep tried to sell him an LED lightbulb scheme.
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AP posted:They should draw straws for the next Labour leader imho. [citation needed]
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May 5, 2017 10:47
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Private Speech posted:I'm going to say it lads. I think the big difference will be turnout - people usually get out in bigger numbers for the GE which is good for Labour & the Lib Dems compared to the current round of locals. Unfortunately that's going to be an uphill battle considering that the Tories are energised while the left and the liberals are feeling pretty demoralised. Going to be very interesting to see what both parties can do with their record memberships and whether that can actually get people out to vote for the GE.
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May 5, 2017 12:01
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jabby posted:A Corbyn led labour is a path to a left-wing Labour led by someone who can be more successful. Obviously I want him to do as well as possible, but an outright Corbyn GE victory was always extremely long odds. Kinnock never won an election but he changed the Labour party. My gut feeling for the GE is Labour has around the same vote share as 2015 but loses 20+ seats due to UKIP votes transferring to Tory. Not a whole lot you can do i the face of 50% of voters declaring their preference for nationalism, whether they admit it or not. Changing the political landscape for voters is going to take a lot more work and effort than can be done in 4 weeks, no matter how many popular policies Labour puts out.
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Looks like the rumours about the Tories taking control of Nottinghamshire county council were correct, not looking good at all round here.
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Guavanaut posted:What can you do about those voters? Bigger flegs and controls on coffee mugs aren't going to cut it. Point them in the direction of the people who are actually causing the problems i.e. the wealthy and liberal capitalism. Get pissed off, show that you share people's frustration at the status quo and point out who their real enemies are. It's not going to happen overnight but I think it's there, and more importantly it's not a continuation of the neoliberal agenda that is both killing the country and politically dead. Basically what we are seeing now is the end result of 30 years of consensus neoliberalism pointing the finger first at trade unions, then immigrants and Europe as the source of societies ills. Turns out when the majority of the politicial establishment and the media whips people into a frenzy over foreigners to mask the abject failings of the liberal system, this is what comes out the other side.
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AP posted:They've tried everything to get rid of him and it hasn't worked, the last option was to let him lose an election. UKIP just died, the Lib Dems just failed to make progress on a ticket aimed at the 48% remain vote, assuming all that repeats during the general and Corbyn doesn't go, I don't see the remaining moderates in Labour staying to let him lose another snap election in 3-4 years. I don't think Corbyn is going to be leader by the time of the next general election but that doesn't mean he's going to step down immediately after. I'm with Forkboy that I really want Corbyn to get on with reforms to allow left wing MPs to stand though, since the memberships patience with Corbyn isn't infinite.
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peanut- posted:How many crippling election defeats is it going to take before you lot stop being furious at pissflaps for being right about Corbyn. Because at no point, ever has there ever been any indication that anyone else would have been an improvement. Also the whole aforementioned fact that Corbyn has the gall to say that cutting services that leads to people dying is actually bad, instead of shuffling his feet and mumbling about "responsible government" or some poo poo like a good little liberal.
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Junior G-man posted:Can we at least collectively agree that it's past time to feed Dianne Abbott into some kind of political wood chipper? She's fine and has good views that she's not afraid to speak out about, she should just be herded away from TV and Radio interviews whenever possible.
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