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TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Pochoclo posted:

When I'm drunk, horny and alone I don't go around messaging underage girls, but YMMV I guess?

Eh, age of consent's 16 in the UK so while what he did was creepy, sleazy and career suicide it wasn't actually illegal afaik.

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TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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The "Assad regime" is otherwise known as the nation of Syria, the people of which you should have solidarity with regardless of who their leader is.

The CPGB-ML (AKA Horselord +5 other randos) I can take or leave.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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The fuckin fleg virus has spread beyond the borders of Northern Ireland and infected the rest of the UK. God help us.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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and all this time they told us it was communism that would put us on the breadline

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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It's illegal to use a LEGAL NAME.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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It's part of his new secret police gimmick, where he arbitrarily probates you and refuses to tell you what for.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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ffs bombs are dropped by the air force

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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jBrereton posted:

I mean the country always does pretty well for itself in terms of aid donations and so on relative to literally everywhere else in the world other than Ireland, I don't think tarring everyone with the idiot racist brush is useful or even accurate.

I think you're confusing matters of national spending policy with the actual opinions of the electorate themselves. We also give military support to Saudi Arabia, that doesn't necessarily mean the people of Britain are rabidly pro-Saudi.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Oberleutnant posted:

Death to Amerikkka the GreAT sATAN

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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jabby posted:

In other news I thought Rebecca Long-Bailey did very well on Question Time tonight. She spoke with passion and attacked the Tories with every answer. I'd almost certainly vote for her in a future leadership election assuming Corbyn wasn't on the ballot. Have to say I haven't been as impressed by Angela Rayner when I've heard her speak, and the other 'left' candidates like Clive Lewis and Lisa Nandy seem to have had various falling-outs with the current leadership.

I think it's worthwhile giving them the benefit of the doubt, to be honest. Corbyn has been poo poo in some ways and there's reasonable things to fall out with him over. Fealty to socialism is much more important than fealty to the party leadership.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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spectralent posted:

Incidentally I had always thought your name seemed familiar and assumed it was some anime thing I'd forgotten until the other day when I was wearing a batman T-shirt and checked myself over in a mirror. Then I was suddenly like "Oh, namtab."

holy poo poo

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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There's as many kinds of soldier as there are kinds of people, a soldier is just a worker with a rifle.

Troops, on the other hand...

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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forkboy84 posted:

How long do they have? Will there ever actually be a way to convince the yoofs that the reason they get shat on so much is because they can't bother themselves to vote & their racist granny can?

I always think telling the yoof to register and vote is putting the cart before the horse. They need to be politically engaged first, through activism and whatnot throughout the year(s) and not just in the few weeks leading up to the election.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Paxman posted:

Some of the Young People are actually pretty right wing.

That's because the left is hermetic and isolationist and locked in a cycle of perpetual defeat and wounded introspection and has been for the entire lifetime of anyone under 30. No confidence even in their own ideas.

69 is the sex number, I'm too tired for anything more interesting

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Jolyon. His name is loving Jolyon. Christ alive.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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OwlFancier posted:

Don't talk about yourself in the third person.

That's pretty insulting to violent, illiterate criminals imo.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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can't have any of this loving positivity business

1979 - around the time everything started its downward spiral

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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a strong and difficult government with a bloody woman stable

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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People who have to live in whatever passes for our future should have a say in how we get there, I reckon the goons who think teenagers are morons are still bitter because they had no mates when they were in school and are reminded of this everytime they see a young person smiling or having fun.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Christ alive this thread is just unreadable these days.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

Zizek's new book is now on sale but I don't know if that's good or not.

Since his last one was something along the lines of "why you don't need to feel guilty about letting refugees drown: they're savages anyway, west is best" I'd tend towards not good.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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hakimashou posted:

Just fox hunts.

get tae gently caress

please just get tae

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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hakimashou posted:

Only if it would have saved more lives than it cost.

gently caress off

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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jBrereton posted:

*weed blunt smoker beaten to within an inch of their life by the police in the street*

Tim Farron, nodding: "It is as the laws of the prophets spake"

Would it not be more appropriate for them to

get stoned :rimshot:

to death?

eh? eh?

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Politically I self-identify as a mature centrist, by which I mean Yemenis don't deserve or even need to be able to live and domestically poverty should be dealt with humanely and philanthropically with the distribution of exit bags.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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jabby posted:

Also Ken Loach has directed the next Labour party political broadcast.

I don't know if Peter Mullan crying into a can of special brew is really the message we want to send the electorate though.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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I tend to think factors like age, education, immigration status and proximity to plain white on the dulux colour chart had a much larger role to play in Brexit than whether someone politically identified as right or left wing.

edit: also, I suppose, rural vs. urban but that kind of maps onto age, education and whiteness anyway

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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jabby posted:

I swear it's gotten a lot worse since Diane Abbott screwed up a figure she should have known. Now every interviewer is out to force a similar moment.

Take McDonnell and Nick Robinson this morning. He was asked to give the deficit. He gave the actual figure from 15/16 and was proclaimed wrong because Robinson wanted the projected figure from 16/17. Even though the question was vague it sparked a slew of headlines about him getting the answer wrong, none of which said where McDonnell's answer came from.

Robinson also accused him on-air of being passed a piece of paper, which McDonnell denied. That was widely reported in the press too. Robinson then went on to retract the accusation on Twitter after a crew member from the radio car told him McDonnell definitely wasn't passed anything. How is it reasonable to retract something on Twitter that was said on national radio and reported in national newspapers?

It's lazy journalism that panders to headline writers, and it's a real shame to see the BBC indulging in it quite so much.

It's clearly to serve the Labour Has No Credibility and Can't Even Be Trusted With Basic Maths narrative they're pushing and it's so blatantly obvious when they do it that it makes me want to tear my loving hair out. And then their hair, one loving strand at a time in Nick Robinson's case, the baldy, speccy bastard oval office. gently caress knows what I'd do with Evan Davis, presumably I'd use long-nosed pliers for that stubbly pate of his.

EDIT: nostril hairs, he must have nostril hairs, right?

TomViolence fucked around with this message at 05:40 on May 17, 2017

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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People go on about Corbyn being a weak opposition and that, but a really interesting development I've seen in this election is that now labour are opening up the left of political discourse the tories and libdems both are announcing policies they never would have otherwise to try and and claim the imaginary centre. Things like caps on energy prices or the libdems promising to bring back the EMA. Another thing I've barely seen come up so far is immigration immigration immigration, though I suppose that's covered by brexit. Like whatever you think of labour's prospects, having a left wing leader who focuses on policy over personality has done a great deal to open up the field and create an actual debate rather than competing shades of austerian concensus.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

I give it 6 months until "The crime is life, the sentence is death."

Finally a policy I can support.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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big scary monsters posted:

Jews are allowed to drink though, and there are some non-hatted Christians who don't.

I reckon it's not a religious proscription so much as the constant anxiety that if you get pissed you'll leave your hat somewhere.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Evil_Urna posted:

This is such a shockingly good idea that it would never get implemented. If Labour wants to stand up for the real workers, this right here should be a cornerstone of their platform. Policys that actually help the British working man and put the screws to the manager class for hurting the workers by driving down wages with foreigners.

Electorally it's a really good idea, but ethically if you consider yourself both a socialist and internationalist it's pretty bad. The real way to fix it is to enforce pay and conditions evenly across the board so that immigrants are paid fairly and aren't undercutting anyone. They're workers too after all.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Namtab posted:

I'm sure that it is, in fact, still wine. Just me being a wee bit pedantic

It's obviously both wine and blood.

You clearly know nothing about catholic jesus's blood alcohol level.

hakimashou posted:

I really think labour might need to make some hard choices about internationalism and immigration if it wants to be able to do any good at all.

Wow, something I actually agree with you on. Though I suppose we're probably still divided on which options we'd hope they ultimately decide upon.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Interesting article on why the polls are poo poo

EDIT:

sebzilla posted:

Are vegetarian Catholics ok with drinking blood and chomping on some dead dude?

Listen if you're not going to do the symbolic cannibalism you've got no place in the pagan reconstructionist religion commonly known as catholicism

TomViolence fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 18, 2017

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Pochoclo posted:

The solution is not a one-size-fits-all levy, the solution is making sure that the underpaid foreign workers... are not underpaid. I mean, if you're going to go after the companies, go after them in a way that makes sense and helps all the workers.

If you want to apply a levy on top of that, sure ok, why not. But the important thing to level the field is to make sure that scummy companies can't pay forrins less than they'd pay tru-blood Britons.

Yes but that would actually be humane and equitable. You have to be seen to be making Tough Decisions to get anywhere in British politics and for a society whose founding principles seem to be the subjugation, impoverishment and wholesale slaughter of one third of the globe Tough Decision-Making for some reason has to entail immiserating at least some poor bastard on general principle.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

That would require a real society for people to integrate into, rather than a crumbling wreck painted over with the rose tinted memories of 50s English literature.

This, so very loving much. Give people a society to feel a part of and maybe then we can start moaning about how they won't integrate. If somebody asked you right now what British society or British culture is or is meant to be about, could you express it in anything that isn't clichéed pablum about fair play and a stiff upper lip and other manifest untruisms? Because try as I might I can't find the words.

We like chips, maybe? Cups of tea? The queen?

I'm British-born and as whitebread as they come and I'm no more integrated into British society than a fresh-off-the-plane Bangladeshi but nobody's complaining about me for not integrating, nobody's saying I need to adopt British values whatever they turn out to be because there aren't any to adopt.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Bape Culture posted:

Would you rather live in Pakistan?
This country isn't perfect but it's a drat sight more progressive than most of the world.

You missed the whole point. It's not about wur freedoms or quality of life compared to Pakistan's, it's about having an actual vision for society that can form a basis for self-identity beyond flag or church or monarch. Prosperous, multicultural liberal societies struggle the most with this because the social terrain has been so thoroughly undercut by the privatisation of formerly public space, the secularisation and pluralisation of society and the pervasive normlessness and atomisation pushed by an individualist consumer culture. Many of these are issues brought about by an inability to deal with the new problems which have arisen from our relatively enviable material circumstances. There is no such thing as society, as satan once said, and that's our present problem.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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There were kids at my school that just wore wellies to school - green if your big brother was a farmer, yellow if he was a fisherman.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Oberleutnant posted:

I trot this line out from time to time, but I think it's true - the nation-state, as a binding agent of human society, culture, and organisation, is becoming obsolete. Capital is partly to blame, as it's gradually forcing nations to legislate themselves out of existence in a regulatory sense - opening markets, opening borders, etc. But the rise of global instant communication and mass transit are also allowing people to connect and combine culturally and socially in ways that were impossible even a generation ago.

We're on the cusp of a brave new world, and any efforts to promote more integration and identification with a national cultural identity are, I think, just desperate efforts to wind the clock back. It's not going to work.

Sure, I'm not saying a collective self-identity needs a nation-state, in fact I'd prefer the nation-state to disappear altogether.

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TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Still beats my projection of the future which is either: being melted down into slurry to act as biofuel for a new mechanized proletariat, or a Mad Max hellscape without the cool special effects.

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