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If corbyn had made the party's motto for the election "Make June the End of May" he might, just might, have had a chance.
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Namtab posted:I feel that performing a citizen's arrest on Blair would probably get me actual arrested "Mr. Garcia put his hand on Mr. Blair’s shoulder and announced a citizen’s arrest for crimes against peace. Mr. Blair, having experienced something similar four times previously, did not seem that surprised. “He had a look of ‘Here we go again’ plastered over his face,” Mr. Garcia said. But so reviled is Mr. Blair in some quarters that a website, set up by the writer George Monbiot, offers cash to those who attempt a citizen’s arrest on the former prime minister. Mr. Garcia, who quit his bartending job to concentrate on being a D.J., said he had consulted the website, arrestblair.org, before his encounter with Mr. Blair. He received more than 2,200 pounds, about $3,730, but said his motive had been neither cash nor publicity but a desire to hold Mr. Blair accountable for Iraq." https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/world/europe/tony-blair-defined-by-his-support-of-president-bush-and-the-invasion-of-iraq.html?_r=0
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JFairfax posted:not wearing a belt, tie too short. If you get a suit made from the kind of place he probably gets suits made you dont need a belt.
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May 3, 2017 11:19
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HJB posted:That's May for you. I prefer this one: God she looks prime-ministerial.
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May 5, 2017 11:29
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Pissflaps posted:People who support Corbyn are causing people to die because they're taking away the centre left alternative to the Tory party. Yeah these attempts to deflect blame and pass the buck are ugly. You can't out of one side of your mouth blame the voters, while out of the other side of your mouth insist again and again that the voters don't matter, that the Party Members do and that the Party Members picked Corbyn so he must be legitimate. Hardly anyone is a Party Member, a political party can't just serve its members. It's the voters that count. It's the voters who have been failed and let down. The wise and brilliant Nick Cohen, who warned everyone about this and wasn't listened to, put it nicely on twitter. https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/860376035157737472
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May 5, 2017 12:26
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Kokoro Wish posted:This. No one offered anything that would help not only me, but also my familty and friends and basically forced a good few people I know onto both the street or abroad, myself included. You wonder why I give no fucks about the death of New Labour and that I support Corbyns's policies? It's because New Labour's policies have all lead to the current political environments as they stand today, and they still offered "Well we're not quite as bad" as their only solution. The people you care about are being made much worse off by corbynista petulance and the great boon of help it gives to the tories.
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May 5, 2017 12:29
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jabby posted:To be fair it's getting increasingly more difficult to argue for Labour in local government given that having a Labour council means you will be targeted for harsher budget cuts. Amazing. At least with Great Helmsman Corbyn you won't need to worry about Labour in government.
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May 5, 2017 12:31
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The Dear Leader cannot fail, he can only be failed.
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May 5, 2017 12:35
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I bet people will still make excuses. What's inexcusable is corbyn not resigning today to give his party at least some semblance of a chance in June.
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May 5, 2017 22:18
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Oberleutnant posted:Why? What the press are doing now is exactly what they've been doing since Corbyn was nominated. They've been stabbing and gouging and spitting since day 1. Today is just the culmination of two years of hostile briefing where they can say "we told you so!". When they told you, maybe you should have listened.
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May 5, 2017 22:22
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OwlFancier posted:Yes because a party which changed leadership less than a month before a general election is a party I would vote for. Changed leadership to rid itself of the failed toxic dumpster-fire leader who is the reason so many people won't vote for the party, not just a generic disconnected no-context 'changed leadership.' I'm talking about the actual labour leadership in the real world, not some abstraction.
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May 5, 2017 22:22
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Not So Fast posted:Changing horse right now would be bloody pointless. Corbyn needs to see this through to the bitter end. He needs to resign in disgrace and eventually will. Doing it now might mitigate some small quantity of the damage he's caused, not doing it ensures no damage at all will be mitigated.
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May 5, 2017 22:32
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forkboy84 posted:What, are you going to argue that Tony Blair & Gordon Brown weren't? Away & shite. *Noted three time election winner and last labour leader to beat the tories Tony Blair.
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May 5, 2017 23:26
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Namtab posted:I think Labour would get less votes if Corbyn stepped down now, given that people like to know who their prime minister would hypothetically be. I doubt it would get fewer votes. For instance all those people who won't vote for them because of corbyn would be in play.
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May 5, 2017 23:32
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AP posted:I didn't say that, the Tories have avoided committing to the triple lock because they fully intend to break it. They have tax rises signaled to the electorate targeted at their core voters, that's how scared of Corbyn they are. "I think XYZ is going to happen" "You think XYZ SHOULD happen? Someone who supports XYZ is awful! " is a very very common form of tedious pissantry that you run into a lot from the corybnistas and similar. The brilliant Nick Cohen from the Guardian put it really really well in his appeal to them. He acknowledged that sure, the Party Member types like corbyn and picked him, but gave them a solemn warning of what was to come and a desperate admonition: "In my respectful opinion, your only honourable response will be to stop being a loving fool by changing your loving mind." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/19/jeremy-corbyn-labour-threat-party-election-support
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May 6, 2017 01:40
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Regarde Aduck posted:What loonies? The 'far left' of Labour want the NHS protecting, more houses and, worker rights and a fairer society. They're not after full communism. If this is too much for you and other 'moderates' I don't know why any of us bother. What is it you want from the opposition to the Tories? A "loony" is anyone who thinks "jeremy corbyn should be leader of the labour party." The test never needs to get to anything about policy. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 02:24 on May 6, 2017 |
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May 6, 2017 02:22
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Jonathan Freedland has a very good piece in the Guardian about what's going on: "Blaming others won’t do. Instead, how refreshing it would be, just this once, if Corbyn and McDonnell put their hands up and took even a small measure of responsibility for this calamitous result. Instead of always playing the besieged victim, they could accept that, as Enoch Powell once observed, a politician complaining about the press is as absurd as a sailor complaining about the sea. Navigating a way through is simply what they have to do. It would mean admitting that they have failed to deliver what they promised. They said they would win back Scotland, energise the Labour base, galvanise non-voters, lure back Ukip defectors and pull in Greens – and not one of those things has happened. Yet in the face of all this, they dig in and cling on, refusing to budge. Why are they so stubborn? It can’t be a tenacious commitment to socialism. Corbyn and McDonnell’s programme includes nothing remotely as leftwing as, say, the £5bn windfall tax on the utilities promised, and implemented, 20 years ago by the supposed “evil neoliberal” Tony Blair. Having finally won control of the Labour party after three decades of Stakhanovite effort, what radical programme have these great revolutionaries pledged to the nation? Four extra bank holidays. The good news for Labour is that what I saw in the focus groups were people unimpressed by the Tories, desperate for an opposition and itching to vote Labour again if only Corbyn would get out of the way. It suggests a new leader could take the fight to Theresa May very rapidly. The bad news is that once people have broken a lifelong Labour habit – and shattered a taboo by voting Tory – they may never come back."" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/05/jeremy-corbyn-blame-meltdown-labour-leader hakimashou fucked around with this message at 05:16 on May 6, 2017 |
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May 6, 2017 05:13
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Pissflaps posted:Corbyn supporters are very good at telling people to gently caress off and vote for someone else. Now the British people are all doing it. The far left is an anti-Labour movement.
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May 6, 2017 08:11
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MonsieurChoc posted:You know, the whole "Corbynista" thing is directly the PLP's fault, when you think about it. They didn't realize that people wanted genuine change from failing liberal sameness, and then when people flocked to the first genuine leftist choice they fought it tooth and nail instead of trying to deal with it. Of course the people who back Corbyn are super defensive about it! If Corbyn is ousted, the PLP have made sure everyone knows it's going to be back to politics as usual as soon as they can arrange it. The PLP has created this situation in what can only be described as an incredible act of Political Seppuku. How many spots is "PLP!!!!" worth in corbynista shift-the-blame bingo?
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May 6, 2017 08:42
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Ewan posted:We also have to rememember fault is not a zero sum game. Multiple people and factors are at fault. It is ultimately the fault of one man, Jeremy Corbyn, for not resigning after the brexit referendum. His choice to cling to power after it became untenable is the source of the Labour party's ills.
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May 6, 2017 09:34
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Crashbee posted:'Corbynistas' have spent years being told to hold their nose and vote Blair/Brown/Milliband. How odd they get defensive when the shoe's on the other foot. Jeremy Corbyn is no Tony Blair.
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May 6, 2017 09:38
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France just shamed britain, but it's a valuable lesson you can learn a lot from. Centrist politics is alive and well, you don't fight the far right from the far left. France and all of Europe and the whole of the democratic world breathe a sigh of relief tonight that Le Pen wasnt running against a French Corbyn.
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May 7, 2017 20:39
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Between the catastrophic landslide defeat for Corbyn Labour in the local elections, and the strong French evidence that centrism is alive and well and perfectly capable of trouncing the right wing, the events of the past few days have been a crushing body blow to the obsolete and discredit leftism of corbynismo
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May 7, 2017 21:08
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Gorn Myson posted:We need a radical centrist. Someone who says "I will do what the Tories do, but I will look sad when I do it". Thats the key to defeating May. You need something different from what you've got, that's for sure.
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May 7, 2017 21:12
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Guavanaut posted:Looks like Macron won though, and the centrist didn't even get a look in. Was melenchon showing socialist solidarity with the national socialist? When the far right and the far left ally together against the center, you know they are both just as bad. I've become increasingly convinced that those 'political compass' things rot peoples brains. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 23:10 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 23:07
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I read that Macron's finance background means he's going to put the screws to the British financial industry in the brexit. France has chosen very wisely indeed.
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May 8, 2017 02:11
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France pulled way, way ahead in the cross-channel rivalry thing. Britain needs to start asking itself "how can we be more like France?"
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May 8, 2017 04:22
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TheRat posted:Good kid, that Someone should switch the kid's face and tim farron's.
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May 9, 2017 00:23
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/861724567152316416 Getting back those voters they lost to UKIP was pretty important for labour, hard to see how they can win without them. If the legacy of corbynismo is a transfer of labour voters to the conservatives with ukip serving as a temporary intermediary, that's gonna be ugly.
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May 9, 2017 00:37
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OwlFancier posted:If only something could have been done to counteract that initial loss of votes to UKIP, something like, not being a bag of shite carry on as usual party for the past 20 years. Most labour folks seem pretty dead set against the idea of becoming an anti-immigrant party, so really what could labour have done?
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May 9, 2017 01:02
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TheRat posted:It's just a parody at this point. Not even die-hard Tories actually believe this. People disagree about what makes society fairer.
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May 9, 2017 01:42
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You should be ashamed of yourself.
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May 9, 2017 02:18
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May 9, 2017 08:46
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learnincurve posted:I googled, one of them is 19 that kid and another one is 20. I found two buttons Facebook before my iPad died and he has quite the neckbeard in some of the photos. With corbyn in charge, even kids can beat labour.
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May 9, 2017 21:52
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What is so wrong about fox hunts anyway? Is it just some kind of tantrum to spite the rich / traditional people who like to do it? Those big countryside fox hunts with all the dogs and all the people in their red coats and stuff, it's a staple of what it means to be British. That country life stuff is probably the last thing Britain has going for it.
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May 9, 2017 21:56
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Spangly A posted:what is actually wrong with you you sick genocide apologist gently caress, get torn apart by dogs yourself and spare us your posting Millions of animals live ghastly horrible lives and then die for the meat in the food people eat. Nature is red in tooth and claw.
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May 9, 2017 22:00
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Isn't there a danger that if corbyn fails miserably in the election, it will discredit this ambitious manifesto?
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May 10, 2017 21:38
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DJT518T posted:A private security company near my parents have just posted this up. I knew someone from Yeovil and he has a conviction for a crime of violence and is barely literate.
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May 10, 2017 21:43
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Has Labour ever had a woman leader? It seems like a bit of a boys' club.
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Breath Ray posted:Yeah just before corbyn Looking it up I see they've had acting leaders a couple of times, but the party has never picked a woman to be leader?
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