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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Zalakwe posted:

This guy clearly going for the UKMT vote - https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/415590/auschwitz-post-fife-candidate-suggests-tories-should-kill-themselves/.

"Former Labour member Deek Jackson, who came close to being selected as a party candidate, published a parody of a Conservative poster which superimposed an image of the Nazi death camp.

When challenged, he said: “Far from apologising, I think all Conservatives should commit suicide and the rid the planet of a parasitic life form robbing the rest of us of our birthright, a life free from exploitation."


The former star of my GE 2010-era avatar. Although as he stood against Brown and Milliband in 2010 and 2015 I really don't see how he got close to selection.

e: I knew I still had it somewhere:

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 1, 2017

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goddamnedtwisto
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OwlFancier posted:

Isn't there a thing where it's higher if you're in a position of authority over the person?

If being an MP doesn't count for that it should, given their proclivities.

Only if they're in loco parentis (so teachers, social workers, medical practitioners, etc), and then the prohibition continues beyond 18 in some circumstances. An MP has literally no authority over anyone by design - they're representatives, not feudal lords.

TinTower posted:

The girl Danczuk was sexting was interviewing for a job in his constituency office, IIRC.

Yeah, but age still isn't a factor there (beyond ramping up the grossness exponentially), you're not allowed to hit on people working for you or applying for jobs if they're 17 or 71.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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MikeCrotch posted:

I know people who pretty much think that anything outside of the M25 is savage undifferentiated wilderness, so this doesn't surprise me in the least

Yeah those loving idiots, everyone knows the known world ends at the A406.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Theresa May goes to Buckingham Palace to ask Her Maj to dissolve Parliament, now someone's dead. Hmm.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Also something weird is definitely up because for some reason the BBC site is giving me the "most read" articles from a couple of days ago.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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TheHoodedClaw posted:

It's "Macron wins over French debate audience" right now?

Yeah but if I click through to an article the little sidebar one is showing me this:



which is from the weekend.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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ukle posted:

Reports from an agency in France that it is Prince Phillp that has died. Although they are likely just joining in the speculation, although they could of just the hours mixed up on the embargo.

Well apparently neither BBC or any of the other big UK news orgs have turned up at the Palace so who knows? You'd assume they'd be there the moment there was even a sniff of a royal death.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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My uncle who works at the Palace says that we're getting a new Queen who can both exercise the Royal Prerogative *and* be compatible with modern liberal democracy!

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Dec 31, 2004

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learnincurve posted:

If the press already know what's happened then there is no reason to be outside the palace waiting for news, they can spend that time writing and down saville row fighting over the last black tie.

Have you watched like any news in the last 30 years? They'll run over their own grannies to be able to go live to someone standing outside somewhere where a thing happened 12 hours ago.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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ukle posted:

Does CCHQ know about this? As this is heretical talk against her Holiness Thatcher and should be punished.

Only thing I could think of is that they have been in a coma for 40 years so are unaware of the poo poo Thatcher did to the Tories.

Conservative local councillors have a pretty loose rein on them to let them campaign on local issues.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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ukle posted:

Hes not a prospective Councillor, hes going for the job of Mayor of a region that has 100's of thousands of people in it i.e. the role actually has a bit of power. Its really bizarre that their is still someone in the Tory party of any significance that hasn't fully drank the Thatcher kool-aid.

Look at the policies of BOZZA LEGERND (and Shagger and The Poor Little Rich Kid) in the London Mayoral elections, they were normally (in word if not in deed) way to the left not only of the Tories in Westminster but often of Labour.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

The hyperloop can reach speeds of 750 mph, allowing it to cross the Tees in 0.3 seconds. You can't do that with a footbridge.

It can also collide two trains with a closing speed of over a thousand miles an hour if it loses vacuum, a failure mode even Southern can't replicate.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

They worked on Concorde (except that time it hit a hotel) and that cruised at 72mbar outside pressure, a lot closer to the hyperloop's 1mbar than to sea level pressure.

There are a lot of other issues with hyperloop, but the low pressure ones like that have been solved by aerospace.

Except if Concorde lost pressure (and didn't just immediately disintegrate, which is by far the most likely scenario if anything caused a loss of cabin pressure at supersonic speeds) it could get down to non-deadly altitudes in less than a minute. A hyperloop train doesn't have that option.

Hoops posted:

And if a aeroplanes engines fall off you'll fall 30,000 feet and explode on landing. Don't be luddites.

If an aeroplane crashes it doesn't then suck every other aeroplane on the same route towards it at transonic speeds. There's being a luddite and there's having even the most basic understanding of engineering, and the criticisms of hyperloop-type concepts almost all fit into the latter category.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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jabby posted:

Well yeah, a hyperloop train can be back to normal pressure in less than a few seconds assuming you just blow some emergency hatches off the tube and open it to atmosphere. That would also be the solution to the 'train crashes/gets stuck' problem.

Yeah, but if you blow the hatch, the train then accelerates very, very quickly away from the blown hatch. A fairly tight-fitting object in a tube with a pressure differential between one end and the other is more commonly known as a "bullet".

Blow one on the other side to even it out you say? Well unless you're incredibly lucky with the positioning of the car - that it's exactly between the two hatches - what you've now got is an object travelling very quickly about to hit one atmosphere of air coming towards it at about 700 miles an hour, which will have a number of ramifications for the structural integrity of your train, which can be most easily summed up as "totally loving it up". Also all the squishy humans in it have just been accelerated at dozens of G in one direction and are about to change direction very, very quickly. This is considered a bad thing for comfort and continuing to have all your internal organs where they're supposed to be.

Of course all this hatch-blowing also means that the self-same air is now seeking out all the rest of your trains. By the time it reaches them it will have still be doing 700mph but will have bought a *lot* of backup with it and the people in the next train it finds will find out that "fluid hammer" is not just the name of a particularly specialist sexual practice. End result of trying to save one train from the sort of tiny welding and fabrication problems that any manufactured system has? The death of every single person traveling on the system, and the system itself being completely destroyed. This is what engineers describe as "suboptimal".

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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serious gaylord posted:

I was with Corbyn up until the 3 line whip for article 50 which demonstrated a complete and total moment of idiocy on his behalf that there was no coming back from.

I'm with you on this but probably(?) for different reasons. If he had some political nous he'd have allowed a free vote, which would have left a lot of his most vocal critics in a very nasty position as they represent safe Labour seats that went strongly Leave. Whipping for it was pointless both on a national political scale and also in the context of internal party politics.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

It was the Mail on Sunday, not the Sun, but this is the twat who did the "I lied in church and said my kids were starving and they gave me some food from a private charity, government benefits have gone mad" poo poo.


As for the Trussell Trust, there was some 'controversy' about them charging money to local authorities for branding and PR, but it's mostly the right wing rags complaining about that, so it might just be a case of 'charity has overheads'. There's also the controversy that they engage in religious discrimination, with some higher positions allegedly being offered to Christians only, which is lovely.

There's also the controversy of foodbanks existing in an allegedly developed nation, but that's more different.

The funny (not funny) thing is that the tabloid skiver stories have mostly dried up because they're too busy getting angry at remoaners (I'm sure I've heard "urban elites" being uses unironically and repeatedly) but the Tories are *still* cutting benefits. This isn't fiscal conservatism or pandering to tabloids, this is straight-up hatred of anyone who didn't go to Eton.

I wouldn't be at all surprised - between workfare, housing benefit caps, and post-Brexit economic implosion - to see the triumphant return of the workhouse by 2022.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Oh dear me posted:

I would be quite surprised to see the return of the workhouse, because they don't want to pay for us to be housed. Workfare is basically the workhouse without the shelter. Prisons with forced labour are an option for the troublesome. What would a workhouse add?

There are still people angry that cash-in-hand benefits exist at all. They want the poor to do no more than exist - no TV, no electronics, no food more flavourful or fulfilling than required to survive. End cash benefits (apart from the pension, of course!), slap some dorms up within an hour or so's walking distance of the centre of town (can't have them too nearby but can't have them asking for transport, can we?) and hey presto, a replacement army of cleaners, care workers, and assorted skivvies to fill the gap left once we throw out all those foreigners who have managed to simultaneously take all our jobs and sit around all day in their council-supplied mansions. A chance to make the benefits system revenue-positive and/or lower the costs of Capita, ISS, et. al.? It's a Tory wet dream.

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Dec 31, 2004

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forkboy84 posted:

I dunno about joy. Or relief. The inevitable winner won. It's nice the fascist lost but she got twice what Jean-Marie Le Pen managed in 2002, but if Macron enacts the platform he promised then FN's support isn't going to die off. 35% of the French voters just voted for a fascist to be President, there's no loving joy in that.

NO IT'S THE INEVITABLE VICTORY OF MILQUETOAST NEOLIBERALISM LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Oh dear me posted:

Food stamps or other ways to force benefit recipients to buy only basics and only from favoured companies have already been discussed, I can certainly see those coming. But workfare and prisons already provide skivvies, and Tories are the party of landlords. They get money already from housing the poor via housing benefit. Why would they want more houses built? And would they really be so stupid as to help the poor get together and organize?

Workfare (and prison) still pay out cash benefits, which the poor use to buy tattoos and Ugg boots and scary dogs, and this rankles Tories, but not as much as having to live next to them does. I'm willing to bet that house prices on the Isle of Dogs would shoot even further into the stratosphere if they could find some way of displacing those last few stubborn commoners who cling to it's periphery.

As to getting together and organising... well they already have no problem scattering them to the four winds as a side effect, I'm certain they'd see no problem with doing it as direct policy. Breaking up working-class community was a major, if unspoken, point of RTB after all, so why not finish the job by rotating the poor between different workhouses every few months (exactly as they did in the more excitable areas of the inner cities during the Victorian era).

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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MikeCrotch posted:

"You can't fire me, I quit!!!"

"...but have to make sure that everyone knows how not-owned i am... wait, McDonnell said something about Karl Marx! Yes! That's why I'm quitting! Also somehow there's a vacancy for the PPC for Rochdale, best not dwell on how that happened, but it's probably still a bad thing!"

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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MikeCrotch posted:

Tom Watson is really, really unpopular amongst the membership so it probably wouldn't go terribly well for him.


something something the paradox of fascism is that your country is simultaneously strong yet at the same time under terminal threat something something

:umberto:

Probably a long-overdue smilie.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Miftan posted:

Since we are on the subject, does anybody know if people who work for foreign states in the UK are bound by uk employment law for their contracts and such, or by the state they work for? For example, can a contract for the equdorian embassy staff be illegal by uk standards if it's legal by equdorian standards? I haven't been able to find anything on it, and it's a very important issue for a good friend of mine.

Embassy staff are complicated because there's such a complicated mesh of laws dependent on exactly what their diplomatic status is (and the fact you're asking about the Ecuadorian embassy is... intriguing, I think you need to expand).

In general though if the member of staff is permanently employed in the UK then UK employment law prevails regardless of who their employer is, but as embassy staff are normally only on assignment in their host country then (most) UK employment law won't apply.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Zephro posted:

I'm struggling to think what kind of Lib Dem voter would go UKIP. People are weird.

In 2010 the Lib Dems were the outside/anti-establishment party, 5 years of enthusiastic toadying to the Tories stripped them of that mantle which UKIP gleefully took over. Bear in mind that a non-zero amount (ISTR about 5%) of UKIP voters also voted Remain. What I'm saying is people are dumb and democracy is a sham for as long as Michael Mcintyre continues to be successful.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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haakman posted:

I was quoting something awful forums user Goddamnedtwisto. I didn't know that was the original provenance of the source, so thanks!

I loving wish I could write that well - I assumed when I used that, that it was well-known enough on SA that I didn't need to attribute it.

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Dec 31, 2004

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EmptyVessel posted:

Doubt any of them earn under £20k a year though.

Until quite recently the Telegraph had a surprising amount of CDE readers because it's sports coverage was ridiculously better than any other paper (with the possible exception of the Morning Star, depending on what sports you were interested in). The Barclays did for that almost as soon as they took over though.

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Dec 31, 2004

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haakman posted:

Don't be too negative. You make enjoyable effort posts which I like to read.

Yeah but I vomit out a thousand words to express what Krieder managed to nail down in four.

JFairfax posted:

I would definitely have voted at 16 and I think it's a good idea

If I could have voted at 16 my first vote would have been to get the loving BNP out of the council seat they managed to slither their way into rather than for Tony loving Blair (well, for noted oval office Jim Fitzpatrick but basically the same thing) and I'd have probably been considerably less bitter about politics than I've since become.

Lol no, I could have voted for Zombie Attlee every election from then until the end of time and I'd still loving hate the modern political landscape of the UK.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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For personal reasons I ended up not doing a book on the 2015 election but is anyone interested if I did one this year? Predict total seats for the three main parties and the others combined, one point for each seat you're out, winner is the one with least points and gets to pick the charity to which entrants submit a small donation (£5?).

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Dec 31, 2004

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Chucat posted:

Thought Experiment:

Labour somehow get a majority in this election.
Enough MPs defect to the Tories to give them a majority.

What happens next?

Probably:

Party Boat posted:

Confidence motion, government resigns, general election.

but the Queen/Privy Council do have the option of asking the Tories to form a Government rather than calling an election. It's incredibly unlikely and would probably result in the end of the prerogative but it is, theoretically, within the monarch's powers to do so.

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Dec 31, 2004

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MikeCrotch posted:

Tower Hamlets just goes to show that you can pull of electoral fraud in the UK if you really fancy it, you just might not get away with it

Well it helps if you crowdsource it. The cleverness (for want of a better word) of Rahman and THF was that they didn't really do a huge amount of fraudulent things that could be ascribed directly to them - a bit of mild graft and influence peddling, and a nudge and a wink to the right people was all that was needed. No tedious trawling of death records or heavy lifting of ballot boxes was required, just exploitation of the family power structure in a big chunk of the Bangladeshi community.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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winegums posted:

Corbyn shouldn't resign after the election. If we lose he should go before the next one, but not immediately. Whenever this happens the Tories use the chaos in the labour party to paint a narrative and there's nobody at the helm to set out the counter agenda. Remember "the mess that labour left us"?

Corbyn staying will cause far, far more chaos in the party.

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Dec 31, 2004

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ronya posted:

the move toward voter ID is unstoppable, mostly because Tower Hamlets happened and so the precedent is established

it doesn't matter that almost all constituencies are not in a similar situation

Also that all the voter ID laws in the world wouldn't have prevented the election of Lutfur.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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ronya posted:

these moves are going to cost the Tories, who have to run against the nasty party image rather than with it

however, they have margin to burn, and you form a government regardless if your landslide is twenty MPs or two hundred

A twenty-seat majority would be an unmitigated disaster for May - the A50 debates proved there are Tories willing to rebel on this and Tory PMs with slim majorities do not tend to do well when it comes to Europe. That's the whole point of this farce of an election.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Breath Ray posted:

Houses are a good place to levy inheritance tax because you can't take them offshore.

Are you sure about that?

goddamnedtwisto
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https://twitter.com/DannyDeVito/status/865369247219945472

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Guavanaut posted:

What's the maximum sentence he would have received in a Swedish prison with far better conditions and amenities if he had just gone over and said 'I'm guilty'? Assuming that the rendition to Cuba thing was false.

Of course it was false. It didn't make sense on even the most superficial level because most extraordinary renditions don't normally start with a polite request from the Met to pop in and have a word with them.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

If Labour manage to beat 35.2% (what they got in 2005) then the PLP are going to have a really hard time ousting Corbs.

Even if they do beat 32.5% they're going to lose a *lot* of seats because of the UKIP vote collapse.

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Dec 31, 2004

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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

He should sue the papers for violations of privacy

lol there's no such thing as privacy in this country for anyone who the press decides is interesting but who can't afford a couple of hundred grand in legal fees.

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Dec 31, 2004

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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Anyone got a May tattoo yet?

I suspect a few people will be getting them in a month or so :godwin:

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Dec 31, 2004

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Ewan posted:

On the subject of Keir - he always struck me as someone competent, but he rarely comes up in the occasional discussions of who will replace Corbyn after the election. What do people think?

He's only been an MP (or indeed a politician at all) for two years. Some would see that as an advantage though.

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forkboy84 posted:

The only way Labour can win is if the Tories keep loving up. And seeing how they have the manifesto out I can't see a big enough gently caress up happening.

Shame that.

I have a feeling there's one big twist still left in this campaign. It's been pretty uneventful compared to the last few years of elections, and the fates have a nasty sense of humour - I think they've saved the best for last. My money's on Boris making a pass at Ivanka Trump.

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