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Max
Nov 30, 2002



At a preview event, Fuller said that the sex scene between Salim and the Ifrit cost them a quarter mil and will show EVERYTHING.

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Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


From what I've read from reviewers who've seen the first four episodes, we're definitely getting multiple insane sex scenes. One said that this could possibly end up being the most controversial television show ever, and I for one am stoked.

My dad passed away in January, and he loved mythology, history and Ian McShane, really enjoyed the book and was pumped for the show. I'm super bummed I can't talk to him about it.

Crow Jane fucked around with this message at May 2, 2017 around 15:54

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

Steve Yun posted:

Btw it feels like "ancient gods down on their luck and barely scraping by" was an idea Gaiman had in Sandman and decided to explore more fully with a whole book. In Sandman, Ishtar was a fertility goddess who turned into a pole dancer due to her lack of worshippers. I think Kevin Smith might've ripped that one off for Dogma as well.

I feel like Bast is probably doing alright now thanks to internet cats.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Grimey Drawer

Speaking of Americanized Eurogod worship

precision
May 7, 2006

Double great.


Max posted:

At a preview event, Fuller said that the sex scene between Salim and the Ifrit cost them a quarter mil and will show EVERYTHING.

"Everything"? I call bullshit, but kudos if they actually have the balls to show an honest to God male-on-male blowjob and cumshot. Seriously though there's no way they will, even Game of Thrones doesn't show erect dong.

biracial bear for uncut
Jun 9, 2009

KILL YOUR FAMILY AND YOURSELF YOU WHITETRASH "ALLY"


Fritzler posted:

Yeah, I think of that reveal as one of the best things in the book actually.

Also Shadow is so obviously not-white, but I can kind of understand someone thinking he is white since he's supposed to be a Norse god (Baldr).

Eh. With people missing the obvious bits where he's described as not-white, I'm pretty sure they would also miss the Baldr references.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

poo poo, as far as missing things goes: I remember going "heh, Low Key Lyesmith, like Loki Liesmith that's pretty cool" but, him being the actual Loki still took me by surprise as did his being in on the whole thing. And that's even with all the foreshadowing with all Wednesday's scam stories needing to have two people in on it.


Yes, I felt like an actual dumbass when it all fell into place.

precision
May 7, 2006

Double great.


Well, I'm not happy to be right in this case:

quote:

But luckily for the actors, Fuller says the flesh rockets will all be CGI.

“We have so many visual effects that involve digital erections,” Fuller told the Nerd World Report. “We have conversations, ‘Well, should we get [a] dildo and strap it onto the actors, is that going to be more cost effective? Or is it easier just to give them digital erections?’”

Booo! Hiss! Not cool, man. Sure, let's show Bilquis' bush, but a PENIS?! HELL NO!

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


Tbf they didn't really show her bush

angerbeet
Mar 23, 2004


the dlob days are over


Starz or whatever is pretty liberal about nudity, like Spartacus was... insanely penis heavy.

Grouchy Fish
Aug 24, 2006


Steve Yun posted:

Btw it feels like "ancient gods down on their luck and barely scraping by" was an idea Gaiman had in Sandman and decided to explore more fully with a whole book. In Sandman, Ishtar was a fertility goddess who turned into a pole dancer due to her lack of worshippers. I think Kevin Smith might've ripped that one off for Dogma as well.

Related to this, I've always wondered who is the god Shadow meets that he can't remember anything about. In the book, all Shadow remembers is that he had an impression of great wealth or something like that so I figure he must be a god with some worshipers.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


precision posted:

Booo! Hiss! Not cool, man. Sure, let's show Bilquis' bush, but a PENIS?! HELL NO!

If you see bush on TV its a merkin. Basically a fuzzy bikini.

Always seemed kinda weird that its okay to fully hang dong, but women can't ever go fully nude or its porn. Not that dongs are all that common, but you know.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


Wasn't Loki pretty heavily involved with killing Dream in Sandman? It's not the American Gods version, obviously, but I think he was able to pass himself off as a regular dude. Been a while since I've read it, though

vonnegutt
Aug 7, 2006
Hobocamp.


Grouchy Fish posted:

Related to this, I've always wondered who is the god Shadow meets that he can't remember anything about. In the book, all Shadow remembers is that he had an impression of great wealth or something like that so I figure he must be a god with some worshipers.

So I re-read the book in anticipation of the show and got caught on this and had to go look it up. My best guess is that it's Mercury - or some variation thereof - as he was a god of luck, money, and quickness. The section of the book where Shadow meets him is in Vegas, and Mercury (or the nameless god) is able to spot luck and follow money, and decides to help out a random waitress.

The forgetfulness might be a reference to quicksilver, or the element mercury, that is a metaphor for something slipping away or being hard to grasp.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

Crow Jane posted:

Wasn't Loki pretty heavily involved with killing Dream in Sandman? It's not the American Gods version, obviously, but I think he was able to pass himself off as a regular dude. Been a while since I've read it, though

Yeah he sure was, he disguised himself as a god from a whole different pantheon to escape from Odin then later joined up with Puck. Not sure if he ever tried to pass as a mortal or not tho.

But, having just finished Gaiman's Norse Mythology I'm reminded that Loki one hell of a shapeshifter so I doubt it would be a problem.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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Crow Jane posted:

Wasn't Loki pretty heavily involved with killing Dream in Sandman? It's not the American Gods version, obviously, but I think he was able to pass himself off as a regular dude. Been a while since I've read it, though

Yeah, he took Hypolyta's son and made it look like Dream killed him, which gave her an excuse to want revenge on Dream. She got the help of the Furies who also wanted revenge because Dream's son made them cry once.

Loki was also a huge dickbag because Dream let Loki escape from Odin once and Loki still backstabbed him

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


a kitten posted:

But, having just finished Gaiman's Norse Mythology I'm reminded that Loki one hell of a shapeshifter so I doubt it would be a problem.

Is that worth picking up? The stack of books I've been meaning to read has gotten pretty high, but I feel somewhat obligated to get that one

biracial bear for uncut
Jun 9, 2009

KILL YOUR FAMILY AND YOURSELF YOU WHITETRASH "ALLY"


Crow Jane posted:

Is that worth picking up? The stack of books I've been meaning to read has gotten pretty high, but I feel somewhat obligated to get that one

I laughed at a lot of it, for whatever that may be worth.

Thor is a hilarious dickhead to everyone in it.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


biracial bear for uncut posted:

I laughed at a lot of it, for whatever that may be worth.

Thor is a hilarious dickhead to everyone in it.

Another one for the pile, then. After I get around to finishing Trigger Warning.

Along these lines, has anyone come across any good anthologies of Slavic/Eastern European folklore?

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

biracial bear for uncut posted:

I laughed at a lot of it, for whatever that may be worth.

Thor is a hilarious dickhead to everyone in it.

Yeah this. I was going to hold off due to my increasing absurd Book Pile, but I grabbed it anyway and loved it.

biracial bear for uncut
Jun 9, 2009

KILL YOUR FAMILY AND YOURSELF YOU WHITETRASH "ALLY"


Crow Jane posted:

Another one for the pile, then. After I get around to finishing Trigger Warning.

Along these lines, has anyone come across any good anthologies of Slavic/Eastern European folklore?

Maybe something like this? https://www.amazon.com/Russian-Fair...slavic+folklore

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

You can follow this link for a sneak peek at next week's Coming to America segment featuring Mr Nancy.

https://www.themarysue.com/mr-nancy-intro/

I don't think it was in the book so I won't say much about it other than "holy poo poo, this is gonna own".

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


Holy poo poo, that clip. This show is going to piss off so many terrible people, and I loving love it for that already.

DentD
Aug 13, 2015

I can predict the future! And you're going to be OKAY.


Holy poo poo that clip is amazing. Okay I am 100% on board. Let's go.

a kitten posted:

I don't think it was in the book so I won't say much about it other than "holy poo poo, this is gonna own".

Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure Mr Nancy was never this angry or blunt about racism. gently caress, I don't remember if he even cared about it?? Or if he was more interested in his own worship and getting by like the rest of the old gods. drat. I love this.

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El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Not to worry, everything's fine.


Was Mr. Nancy supposed to be that young in the book? I pictured him in his 60s but that might've just been my imagination.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


a kitten posted:

You can follow this link for a sneak peek at next week's Coming to America segment featuring Mr Nancy.

https://www.themarysue.com/mr-nancy-intro/

I don't think it was in the book so I won't say much about it other than "holy poo poo, this is gonna own".

This is exactly what I was hoping for when they said they were going to expand the "Coming to america" scenes.

We get to see some Mr. Nancy origin stories AWWWW YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

El Jeffe posted:

Was Mr. Nancy supposed to be that young in the book? I pictured him in his 60s but that might've just been my imagination.

I don't think so, but Orlando Jones is killing it so who cares.

Yeah I pictured Nancy as a fat older man in a big yellow suit.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

daisy fresh and arrow straight


I pictured Don Cheadle, kinda. Or the cool old Jamaican handyman my landlord used to hire.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



precision posted:

"Everything"? I call bullshit, but kudos if they actually have the balls to show an honest to God male-on-male blowjob and cumshot. Seriously though there's no way they will, even Game of Thrones doesn't show erect dong.

Apparently the money shot involves fire (they said yes, we are going to see everything.)

precision
May 7, 2006

Double great.


Max posted:

Apparently the money shot involves fire (they said yes, we are going to see everything.)

Scroll up: CGI dong

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


Max posted:

we are going to see everything

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

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precision posted:

Scroll up: CGI dong

Well, it's not like they were going to find a stuntcock that was willing to be set on fire

Escape Addict
Jan 25, 2012


In the book, Shadow's race is supposed to be mixed but you can't tell just by looking what the mix is composed of. One of the guards in prison says, "And what are you? A spic? A gypsy?"

To which he replies, "Not that I know of, sir. Maybe."

People can't tell if he's Hispanic or Roma, and even Shadow himself doesn't know his own race since he never met his dad. The show is bringing American racism to the forefront by making him explicitly black. I like this choice.

If you read the book and thought he was white, it's because he's never described as black and he's the son of Norse god. I always imagined him looking like Joe Manganiello or Dominic Purcell.

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.


I always pictured him as kind of a Vin Diesel guy, but with darker skin. I like Ricky Whittle a lot more, he killed it in this first episode.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

Gonna nab this quote from the other thread.

Guy Mann posted:

If Media is anything like she is in the books then you might get your wish.

Gillian Anderson doing the "Wanna see Lucy's tits?" scene, hubba hubba!


Pictures of Media, spoiled because i have no idea what the spoiler policy regarding upcoming stuff from the show (as opposed to book foreknowledge) is.



Escape Addict
Jan 25, 2012


TV Shadow is more talkative than book Shadow, basically because he has to be. The book gives you so much of what he's thinking about but he never says a word. On TV, Ricky Whittle has to blurt out, "My wife makes great chili!" That was kind of sad. In the book, you get a whole flashback vignette about him trying to duplicate the recipe and failing cause her chili was just so special.

Gillian Anderson looks great as Media. Can't wait for that!

angerbeet
Mar 23, 2004


the dlob days are over


Escape Addict posted:

Gillian Anderson looks great as Media. Can't wait for that!

Apparently it's not a long wait, she's said to be in ep 2, which means more of her generally.

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Normal Adult Human
Feb 12, 2012

Nah.


Hubbardologist posted:

I first read the book when I was about 15 or 16, and I assumed Shadow was white, probably because (a) I'm white and often project my identity into the protagonist of whatever I'm reading, (b) white people are overrepresented in many forms of media, (c) I probably skimmed over the moments that mention his or his mother's background, or (d) a combination of all three.


i no poo poo thought he was black because his name is shadow and shadows are black

hangedman1984
Jul 25, 2012



a kitten posted:

Gonna nab this quote from the other thread.



Pictures of Media, spoiled because i have no idea what the spoiler policy regarding upcoming stuff from the show (as opposed to book foreknowledge) is.





Wow, thats really impressive

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

Mass Effect is good


a kitten posted:

Gonna nab this quote from the other thread.



Pictures of Media, spoiled because i have no idea what the spoiler policy regarding upcoming stuff from the show (as opposed to book foreknowledge) is.







After how amazing Gillian Anderson was in Hannibal I am so looking forward to this.

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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


a kitten posted:

Gonna nab this quote from the other thread.



Pictures of Media, spoiled because i have no idea what the spoiler policy regarding upcoming stuff from the show (as opposed to book foreknowledge) is.





Yes, I wanna see Lucy's tits

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