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get that OUT of my face posted:the algorithm is peak silicon valley arrogance. they honestly think that a computer program knows what human beings want code:
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Main Paineframe posted:Self-checkout is a relic of the past, built around cumbersome barcodes and dumb systems What they should just do is make the store a lobby where you page through a touch screen catalogue and your poo poo comes out on a conveyor belt. Shop lifting destroyed.
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get that OUT of my face posted:the algorithm is peak silicon valley arrogance. they honestly think that a computer program knows what human beings want otoh and few years back Target had some kind of probability matrix where they could look at a woman's purchasing habits on-line and in store (assuming you had a loyalty card or whatever they could track) that could predict when women were pregnant based only on what they were buying. there became an issue when the Target weekly mailers that get stuffed into your mailbox started to contain a bunch of coupons for baby stuff for women the system predicted were pregnant; in some cases the system was accurately predicting a pregnancy before the woman shared the info with her partner, and ugly arguments ensued.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:otoh and few years back Target had some kind of probability matrix where they could look at a woman's purchasing habits on-line and in store (assuming you had a loyalty card or whatever they could track) that could predict when women were pregnant based only on what they were buying. there became an issue when the Target weekly mailers that get stuffed into your mailbox started to contain a bunch of coupons for baby stuff for women the system predicted were pregnant; in some cases the system was accurately predicting a pregnancy before the woman shared the info with her partner, and ugly arguments ensued. i loving love machine learning
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The other thing that will make shoplifting worse is that humans have a natural empathy towards each other and an aversion of conflict that reduces that sort of behavior now, but will absolutely not be present with the robots. Similar to how most hitchhiking trips are fine with rare occurrences that go bad vs. that time someone made a hitchhiking robot and it was beaten almost immediately.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:otoh and few years back Target had some kind of probability matrix where they could look at a woman's purchasing habits on-line and in store (assuming you had a loyalty card or whatever they could track) that could predict when women were pregnant based only on what they were buying. there became an issue when the Target weekly mailers that get stuffed into your mailbox started to contain a bunch of coupons for baby stuff for women the system predicted were pregnant; in some cases the system was accurately predicting a pregnancy before the woman shared the info with her partner, and ugly arguments ensued. you left out the best part of that story, where they find out how accurate it is when a dad called target and started screaming at executives because it accurately predicted that his 15 year old daughter got knocked up
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HHMMMMMMMMMMM, think i might want to move back to Boston Not because of jobs, but because the Patriots own, deal with it 
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Bushiz posted:The other thing that will make shoplifting worse is that humans have a natural empathy towards each other and an aversion of conflict that reduces that sort of behavior now, but will absolutely not be present with the robots. Similar to how most hitchhiking trips are fine with rare occurrences that go bad vs. that time someone made a hitchhiking robot and it was beaten almost immediately. Thank you for reminding me about the hitchhiking robot that made it all the way through Canada and wherever else but got the poo poo kicked out of it almost immediately upon setting foot in the US. Where it got wrecked in Philly is within walking distance of where I lived at the time, I kinda wish I had stumbled across it.
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Italian traffic seems like an argument against automated cars evet successfully interacting with people.
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i guess if silicon valley wants to actually know what people are thinking, they should ask target. i remember that story too and it was pretty funny, weird, and shockingMister Fister posted:HHMMMMMMMMMMM, think i might want to move back to Boston
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got any sevens posted:there was a real life Chappie? sort of? IIRC the robot was made to look "endearing" to humans based on some social science department at a german (?) university, and they tested the thing in both germany and in canada and the little robot successfully navigated a path across both countries just by hitchhiking. then on the maiden voyage in the US someone in philly just busts the poo poo out of it and leaves it behind a dumpster or something also i didn't know that the target pregnancy matrix got derailed by the angry father of a teen mom. i feel like that level of accuracy should have been a proof of concept right before mass production
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looks like fader automation is going to nuke even more speakers
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I can't wait for a completely automated grocery store to open so I can go full supermarket sweep and just walk out with like 40 frozen turkeys for free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhMNxncu5Gg&t=752s for the young folks
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Peanut President posted:I can't wait for a completely automated grocery store to open so I can go full supermarket sweep and just walk out with like 40 frozen turkeys for free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4YKUJZI5Bg
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Freaking Crumbum posted:sort of? IIRC the robot was made to look "endearing" to humans based on some social science department at a german (?) university, and they tested the thing in both germany and in canada and the little robot successfully navigated a path across both countries just by hitchhiking. then on the maiden voyage in the US someone in philly just busts the poo poo out of it and leaves it behind a dumpster or something That's because Philly is the best city, and won't stand for any stupid kraut trash robots polluting our trash city
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Best Giraffe posted:That's because Philly is the best city, and won't stand for any stupid kraut trash robots polluting our trash city dont talk trash about kraut robots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHEoMpMvz7A
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Best Giraffe posted:That's because Philly is the best city, and won't stand for any stupid kraut trash robots polluting our trash city Yeah we only have the best trash. Go birds!
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Peanut President posted:I can't wait for a completely automated grocery store to open so I can go full supermarket sweep and just walk out with like 40 frozen turkeys for free. i never understood why you wouldn't just clear out whole shelves into your cart and poo poo, like just grab stuff and start throwing it
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C. Everett Koop posted:i never understood why you wouldn't just clear out whole shelves into your cart and poo poo, like just grab stuff and start throwing it Uh you could only get 5 of a type of thing and there were penalties for spilling stuff and not picking it up.
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well then it's not a loving sweep then is it shoulda called it supermarket carefully pick poo poo
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One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. when the robots decide they wont work for less than minimum wage theyll start buying things arttisanal hand coded things
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Was neat how the Logan movie had self-driving big rigs.
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:when the robots decide they wont work for less than minimum wage theyll start buying things When the robots decide they won't work for less than minimum wage, they will join us in unemployment
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. 
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. The five rich people left
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. most businesses currently just sell poo poo to each other and in the absence of end consumers I imagine they will all switch to this model in a pretend economy run entirely by webservices and database procedures
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The five rich people left 
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo.
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Remember the systems before capitalism though? Feudalism was popular. Warring fiefdoms with privately-owned armies sounds pretty plausible. Take our current system to its logical conclusion and you'll get medieval Europe: a tiny handful of kings and princes who own all the property and live in fortified castles; a class of professional soldiers to fight on their behalf and keep down insurrections; and a shitload of peasants or serfs eking out a hardscrabble living on tenant farms or mines. This is like the normal state of humanity under civilization, not just capitalism. Capitalism is a blip.
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Neon Noodle posted:Remember the systems before capitalism though? Feudalism was popular. Warring fiefdoms with privately-owned armies sounds pretty plausible. i was 14 and had opinions like these too a long time ago
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i was 14 and had opinions like these too a long time ago what opinions do you have now, bulogogi?
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A Spherical Sponge posted:what opinions do you have now, bulogogi? korean steak sandwiches are excellent
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Controversial, yet compelling
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. This is half the reason a UBI will be necessary, yes. The other half is the riots.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. lol this reminds me of a conversation I had with a hard-core libertarian co-worker a few years back. he was of the opinion that all social services, even emergency medical or law enforcement services, were of dubious value to the Ayn Rand ubercapitalists that should rightfully rule our nation. I asked him hypothetically, what would keep the poors from marching those wannabe-John Galts en masse to the guillotines, and isn't there at least value in maintaining a strong, well armed police force, if for no other reason than to prevent the wealthy from meeting their own mortality? he scoffed and said that, if all social services/support were removed from the poor, it's entirely possible they'd die from starvation / preventable diseases / fury road chromeboy raiders/ etc. and that all the wealthy would need to do is hole up in their homes (admittedly already rather fortress-like) until enough of the poor perished that the rest would willingly accept their new role as slaves-in-all-but-name. I was floored by his complete devotion to libertarian politics 
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:One question about automation that is never answered: who the hell are you going to sell to when nobody has money? All of this stuff is a neat example of how technology is going to replace us all eventually, but this is going to upend capitalism when you have companies going under when nobody can afford to buy their poo poo. Unless you're going to corner the market in stuff people need, but this is going to end up with one company the victor and the rest out of business because nobody can afford to shop at all because we're all counting pennies. According to this novel there will be the guys in charge of the automated factories, the guards that protect it from rioters, and then roving bands of jobless people who wander around the countryside looking for work. Oh, and the army is going to be full of people, as well. 
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