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B. Birdsworth posted:I can say definitively that a majority of the anti-vaxxers we see on a clinical basis in my area today (US South) seem politically center-left or hard-left, and Christian fundamentalism plays essentially no role in their thought process (with a few exceptions). Anti-intellectualism per se seems to have very little to do with the subculture. Instead, it's a kind of para-intellectualism which is rooted either in bad science (I'm looking at you, Lancet Issue 9103 ) or non-science (crunchy articles/blogs written by college-educated moms). Illustrative of this is the fact that a huge proportion of the parents where I live opt for bogus yet highly specific alternative vaccine schedules for which there is no clinical evidence of equal efficacy, and reason to believe they are less effective than the CDC schedule. My experience is fundy right wingers not wanting the gubment to tell them what to do with are kids, combined with science being a liberal lie. Maybe its by area?
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Ha ha yeah those Liberals and their science! *is a slobbering moron*
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May 9, 2017 21:04
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Bombadilillo posted:My experience is fundy right wingers not wanting the gubment to tell them what to do with are kids, combined with science being a liberal lie. Maybe its by area? There's definitely some regionalism to it, but I'm in one of the most politically conservative parts of the country. What does your experience with people who are anti-vaxxers consist of? e: edited question for clarification
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May 9, 2017 21:05
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I cant wait until a bunch of extraordinarily expensive Oceanside property is brutally owned by massive global warming tsunamis and cyclones
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May 9, 2017 21:05
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And right here you have the aggressively approaching shoreline that will soon destroy your entire neighbourhood, would you like to donate some money to Trump Care?
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May 9, 2017 21:06
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Honest question, why do YOU care? It's the most recent example of a public figure spouting unproven pseudo-science as fact, and notice how some people fervently defend this unproven gender theory. Not accepting an unproven pop-science theory makes me a brain-dead AIDs retard or whatever Smythe diagnosed me with.
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May 9, 2017 21:07
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Bob NewSCART posted:I cant wait until a bunch of extraordinarily expensive Oceanside property is brutally owned by massive global warming tsunamis and cyclones I think that if you lust for submerged real estate investments then Oceanside is really not the place to be watching. Oceanside is like literally the lowest value city on the coast in Southern California. Any coastal city anywhere between LA and San Diego probably has higher property values.
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May 9, 2017 21:08
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a bone to pick posted:It's the most recent example of a public figure spouting unproven pseudo-science as fact, and notice how some people fervently defend this unproven gender theory. Don't sign your posts.
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May 9, 2017 21:08
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a bone to pick posted:It's the most recent example of a public figure spouting unproven pseudo-science as fact, and notice how some people fervently defend this unproven gender theory. What did he say, I didn't look at it before and now google is just giving me conservatives being upset about it
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May 9, 2017 21:14
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Bombadilillo posted:What did he say, I didn't look at it before and now google is just giving me conservatives being upset about it I couldn't make it more than a couple seconds into the song but it seemed to just be a husky women singing off beat and off key about accepting the rainbow of genders.
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May 9, 2017 21:20
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ArbitraryC posted:I couldn't make it more than a couple seconds into the song but it seemed to just be a husky women singing off beat and off key about accepting the rainbow of genders. It is cringeworthy and unfunny but it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be
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May 9, 2017 21:22
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Bob NewSCART posted:I cant wait until a bunch of extraordinarily expensive Oceanside property is brutally owned by massive global warming tsunamis and cyclones Anybody rich enough to own seaside property would probably jump at the chance to collect money from the government and private insurers for their inflated property values
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May 9, 2017 21:24
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shovelbum posted:Duh it's been studied to death but man was it really always this bad Like it's already been said, a lot of babies with autism died young in the Bad Ol' Days, and I'm quite sure that even more of them were miscarried. Now that we have better pre-natal care, more high-risk pregnancies come to term, and babies with autism are commonly high-risk pregnancies. If you want a historical perspective on autism, look at Irish folktales about changelings: humans stolen by the fairies and replaced by a sickly fairy in human form. The stories follow the general pattern of a person becoming aggressive, morose, silent, "dim," "strange-headed," and so on after being "switched" with a fairy, which was the Irish's best attempt to explain why people went weird sometimes. Nowadays we would recognize the symptoms of changelings as post-partum depression, traumatic brain injuries, autism, strokes, schizophrenia, etc. What's interesting was the moral code of dealing with "changelings:" mistreating the fairy would result in the fairies mistreating the human they stole, so people just sort of shrugged and carried on, in most cases. (Sometimes babies were killed.) Edit: And the number of autism spectrum births is something like 1 in 88, not 1 in 50.
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May 9, 2017 21:24
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yeah I eat rear end posted:They must learn it and other weird health conspiracy theories in nursing school bevause most of its most vocal adherents I have known were almost all nurses. I'm in nursing school and they don't teach anything like that. Most of the stuff comes from the internet (shocking)
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May 9, 2017 21:25
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Vaccinations generally are really good and cool. Flu vaccines however, might be a problem, they're made in anticipation of the mutations that occur in the wild and the problem with that is if you guess wrong not only is it less effective it can be downright fatal. I've been avoiding flu vaccinations for a couple years now, it might just be my local distributor but the effectiveness of those things is like barely 30%. So yeah kind of hard to say without distinguishing between the two options of 'we loving killed the one kind of polio anyone has ever known about since like the thirties' vs 'we just made this flu vaccine last week and it sucks whoops.'
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May 9, 2017 21:26
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Bombadilillo posted:What did he say, I didn't look at it before and now google is just giving me conservatives being upset about it That there's a spectrum of genders and everyone's on it lol, nothing else needs to be said.
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May 9, 2017 21:26
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Blue Train posted:It is cringeworthy and unfunny but it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be yeah like it's super bad but not in a way anyone should care about, if anything maybe this level of bad production values will convince kids that the whole thing is lame as gently caress and the new cool is just being a boy with a dick.
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May 9, 2017 21:27
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There are too many people and there need to be more dead babies
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May 9, 2017 21:28
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a bone to pick posted:That there's a spectrum of genders and everyone's on it lol, nothing else needs to be said. You're stringing sentences together and nobody appreciates it. Please stop before you hurt yourself.
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May 9, 2017 21:32
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Zajajaja posted:Vaccinations generally are really good and cool. Flu vaccines however, might be a problem, they're made in anticipation of the mutations that occur in the wild and the problem with that is if you guess wrong not only is it less effective it can be downright fatal. I've been avoiding flu vaccinations for a couple years now, it might just be my local distributor but the effectiveness of those things is like barely 30%. So yeah kind of hard to say without distinguishing between the two options of 'we loving killed the one kind of polio anyone has ever known about since like the thirties' vs 'we just made this flu vaccine last week and it sucks whoops.' Yes, it's a virological guessing game. Some years, the vaccine isn't very effective at all. Very rarely, individuals will have serious complications from the vaccine. But flu kills thousands of Americans annually, any way you slice it, and on balance the flu vaccine is a boon. Saying "but why should I/my kid have to get one?" is exactly what the anti-MMR anti-HPV people ask, but the risk:benefit is pretty clear. B. Birdsworth fucked around with this message at 21:36 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 21:34
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a bone to pick posted:That there's a spectrum of genders and everyone's on it lol, nothing else needs to be said. Well theres a poo poo load of different chromosomes combinations that a person can have, as well as chemical issues that can literally make you have the wrong genitalia for your gender. Some people are calling what for years of study has been "intersexed" more pop culture terms like spectrum. So before you even get to mental issues or desires you have a way WAY more complicated system then boy/girl. Yes it does matter what he said specifically/
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May 9, 2017 21:34
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a bone to pick posted:That there's a spectrum of genders and everyone's on it lol, nothing else needs to be said. Therefore science is bad and liberal? Might need to kick in the 'ol critical thinking there.
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May 9, 2017 21:35
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It's not like doctors have ever been wrong about anything
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May 9, 2017 21:36
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:It's not like doctors have ever been wrong about anything The great thing about science is that not only are you allowed to be wrong, it is encouraged and moves the field forward.
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May 9, 2017 21:37
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a bone to pick posted:That there's a spectrum of genders and everyone's on it lol, nothing else needs to be said. I'm guessing you met Bill Nye at a urinal once, he asked why someone with a vagina was trying to use a urinal, you had to explain about micropenis, and he laughed. Am I close?
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May 9, 2017 21:37
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I just think its funny that super liberals act like conservatives are all science-denying idiots while they have their own brand of science-denial that comes in the form of pseudo-science acceptance. Its obvious the majority of you guys believe in gender theory so there's no point arguing, its like trying to argue evolution to a creationist.
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May 9, 2017 21:37
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SuperiorColliculus posted:The great thing about science is that not only are you allowed to be wrong, it is encouraged and moves the field forward. Some people don't like having their kids be human guinea pigs (the field of medicine is trial and error)
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May 9, 2017 21:38
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:It's not like uneducated people have ever been wrong about anything
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Some people don't like having their kids be human guinea pigs (the field of medicine is trial and error) Science is trial and error. If not, you'd still be treating your child's polio with nightshade and fervent prayer or whatever the gently caress
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May 9, 2017 21:39
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Zajajaja posted:Vaccinations generally are really good and cool. Flu vaccines however, might be a problem, they're made in anticipation of the mutations that occur in the wild and the problem with that is if you guess wrong not only is it less effective it can be downright fatal. I've been avoiding flu vaccinations for a couple years now, it might just be my local distributor but the effectiveness of those things is like barely 30%. So yeah kind of hard to say without distinguishing between the two options of 'we loving killed the one kind of polio anyone has ever known about since like the thirties' vs 'we just made this flu vaccine last week and it sucks whoops.' Bad news dude, there are at least 3 types of identified polio
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May 9, 2017 21:40
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a bone to pick posted:I just think its funny that super liberals act like conservatives are all science-denying idiots while they have their own brand of science-denial that comes in the form of pseudo-science acceptance. Do you believe that there's a boy/girl hetero/homo dichotomy? Because boy howdy do I have news for you.
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May 9, 2017 21:41
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May 9, 2017 21:42
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a bone to pick posted:
Which corn field* did you pull that straw man out of? *I realise it might be hard to tell, what with being surrounded by them
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May 9, 2017 21:44
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Bobbie Wickham posted:Like it's already been said, a lot of babies with autism died young in the Bad Ol' Days, and I'm quite sure that even more of them were miscarried. Now that we have better pre-natal care, more high-risk pregnancies come to term, and babies with autism are commonly high-risk pregnancies. Oh no poo poo I didn't realize there was a correlation to high risk pregnancy an all that stuff
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May 9, 2017 21:46
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SuperiorColliculus posted:Which corn field* did you pull that straw man out of? http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/Pronouns
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May 9, 2017 21:46
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There being people with special snowflake identities doesn't make it that there are only two gender identities. That there are several possible genders doesn't mean there are infinite genders. Are you hard of understanding? Because this really shouldn't be so difficult to grasp.
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May 9, 2017 21:48
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Still want to know how you classify intersex people which have physically a broad range of x's and y's and genetalia all over the place. Are they boy/girl or is it boy/intersex/girl. cause that's dangerously close to a spectrum to call something not boy girl. Again, all that is BEFORE you even consider special snowflake identification. Its physiological.
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May 9, 2017 21:52
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Bombadilillo posted:Still want to know how you classify intersex people which have physically a broad range of x's and y's and genetalia all over the place. Are they boy/girl or is it boy/intersex/girl. cause that's dangerously close to a spectrum to call something not boy girl. You flip a coin, because there are only two genders
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May 9, 2017 21:53
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Bombadilillo posted:Still want to know how you classify intersex people which have physically a broad range of x's and y's and genetalia all over the place. Are they boy/girl or is it boy/intersex/girl. cause that's dangerously close to a spectrum to call something not boy girl. It quite literally is a spectrum and there are a bunch of sexually dimorphic nuclei in the brain (the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus chief among the ones we've studied) that show varying degrees of neuron number and density along a male-female presenting gender identity and homo-hetero sexual orientation. That being the case doesn't necessitate "orbogender" or whatever the gently caress.
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a bone to pick posted:
Looks like this shitposter... Has a bone to pick
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