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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


To be fair to Sirotan, you did ask for everyone's opinion in an interior design thread and then get really defensive about it.

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

KillHour posted:

To be fair to Sirotan, you did ask for everyone's opinion in an interior design thread and then get really defensive about it.

Well one of my questions was just would it be an appropriate size, which he didn't say anything about. And then Sirotan said, inexplicably, "paint your own canvas" when I have absolutely zero painting skill or experience. It's just kind of bizarre.

edit anyway, this one has a nice blue gray theme

https://www.art.com/products/p52834512220-sa-i11444656/sue-jachimiec-smirr-i.htm?PODConfigID=9664578&sOrigID=226898&upi=Q1GWIG52FOUJ6

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 04:30 on May 25, 2020

Gnossiennes
Jan 7, 2013


Loving chairs more every day!

if you have a college with an art program near you, there's usually a gallery sale around the end of the semester. they're a good place to get neat art for fairly cheap.

granted with covid that's probably harder atm.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

I'm an artist professionally and even I waffle back and forth between the "who cares as long as you like it" and "but the fact that it's an original makes it even better" camps. It's alright.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
all my art are prints I got for like $15 a pop from an artist I met at an anime convention true story gently caress those haters

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

actionjackson posted:

Here's my entry wall blank, but I marked the approximate space for this, which I think would look nice

https://www.allposters.com/-sp/Blue-Gray-1961-Posters_i13378096_.htm

the measurements are also set so the space would be centered and the midpoint would be at my eye level (small pencil nib in the middle).

the wall is about nine feet wide and 9.5 feet high. This is too small right? I can look for a larger version on other sites, but I was also wondering what you think a good size would be for a single print.

I could get it in a 28 x 40 " print with a white border around the sides like here https://www.art.com/products/p14433292-sa-i3022394/mark-rothko-blue-gray-1961.htm?sOrigID=4&upi=F2I0G12FOUJ6 with the "classic" black frame



Either go with a smaller print and center it on the part of the wall without the overhang, or get a larger print. Exampled here with a cool wizard picture.



Seeking out art instead of just buying recreations of famous work is good because it contributes to the sustenance of a creative, artistic culture that enriches society, fights commercialism, and encourages our own growth as creative people. Prints of famous paintings, even serious Rothko's, are kitsch. Nothing wrong with a house full of kitsch, but is that what you want?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Nessus posted:

Yeah I grew up in Houston which is, climate-wise, Louisiana, and all this stuff is mystifying to me. The old houses in Houston (all fourteen of them) are clearly built in an effort to provide a shaded and well ventilated interior and everything built in the last sixty odd years strongly integrates air conditioning. I'm not sure about insulation either but I remember it didn't instantly become a hot box in my apartment when the AC died, though the landlord did replace it with a loving quickness.

It's clearly not an ecological mindset. Is insulation imported and thus super costly whereas you can probably source timber and brick locally?

I think it’s a few things. Labor is expensive in Australia, housing is astronomically expensive, the industry has a lot of political power so regulations are lax. We also have pretty strict laws about maintaining historical character in neighbourhoods so older houses can’t easily be demolished or altered.

In Queensland where I am; the main distinctive local architectural style is the Queenslander.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queenslander_(architecture)

The ones built pre war are really elaborate and nice; and do a decent job (by the standards of the time) of passive cooling; although they tend to get pretty chilly in winter if only because of their age (no insulation, draughty)

After the war they started cutting corners and simplifying the design which impacted cooling; and you also had the rise of the basic brick box house designed to be built fast and cheap.

Sheets of corrugated iron are the most common roofing material in much of the country as well; not sure what the impact of that is.

Modern houses tend to be cheaply built crap. In the past 20 years you’ve also got developers making GBS threads out ultra cheap tiny lovely high rise apartments which tend to get snapped up by investors to rent out (but still the vast majority of people live in houses and overall our housing stock is pretty old)

Air conditioning didn’t become something the average person could afford until the early 2000s; and it’s still one or two split systems; having ducted AC in a house means you’re either very wealthy and built a brand new house (uncommon because rich people tend to live in the inner city) or you’ve built a McMansion in the outer suburbs.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
hm im beginning to think this australia place isn't a welcoming place to live

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

there wolf posted:

Seeking out art instead of just buying recreations of famous work is good because it contributes to the sustenance of a creative, artistic culture that enriches society, fights commercialism, and encourages our own growth as creative people. Prints of famous paintings, even serious Rothko's, are kitsch. Nothing wrong with a house full of kitsch, but is that what you want?

also, this thread: "lol at getting original furniture, look at this 'inspired-by' from houzz"

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
you will like An Art 1000x more if it has some sort of meaning or emotional connection, like if you're getting a print from an old dead guy that's fine but you're going to have a better time if that artist / piece has some significance to you, not just 'hey this matches my rug'

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

PRADA SLUT posted:

also, this thread: "lol at getting original furniture, look at this 'inspired-by' from houzz"

Baby, you buy decades-old styles from established design houses. You're not pushing boundaries any more than someone buying a high-end reproduction of a Rothko is.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
Who wants to see some carpet porn?

In my house, the upstairs floor is entirely carpeted (aside from kitchen and bathroom, we're not animals). The formal lounge and dining space, along with the master bedroom and spare bedroom; has this charming carpet:



What was once the family living room (in the days of small CRT TVs) but now mostly serves as a connecting space between the Master Bedroom, my Dad's bedroom, the bathroom, and the side door of the house (the rise of big TVs, combined with my grandparents outliving most of their friends, led to the partial repurposing of the formal lounge area for TV watching) has this nice carpet:



I've included part of the master bedroom in the foreground so you can see the transition. Then my Dad's bedroom has yet another carpet:



You can see the transition between the second carpet in the foreground and at the back the transition to the main Carpet in the dining room.

How did this charming carpet arrangement come to be you might ask? Well, in 1968, for reasons that have never quite been made clear to me, my grandparents decided that my then 12 year old Dad should be permitted to choose whatever carpet he wanted for the house. This is the result. My dad is now a retired accountant who radiates blandness - he has never purchased a non white car for example. Yet this carpet remains, mocking him every day.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Carpets are universally terrible so at least he picked a fun one.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

there wolf posted:

Baby, you buy decades-old styles from established design houses. You're not pushing boundaries any more than someone buying a high-end reproduction of a Rothko is.

Oh shush. There’s a difference between designed products intended to be manufactured in numbers, and one-off original artworks. Particularly since things like lithographs exist.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


You can buy prints of National Geographic photos from the official online store.
My best art is all stuff my kids made at school .

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


With Memorial Day sales nearly over, I think I've hit a snag in my TV stand search. Quick recap:

I'm okay with the Ikea Fjallbo but I don't love it. My main complaint is that even at 59", it's not much wider than the TV so the proportions are off.


I think this looks really cool. If I had to pinpoint what I like about it, it's the illusion of one long continuous surface. I think the pseudo-floating console effect from the light wood contrasting with the black metal also contributes but I'm not sure--in other words, would this work with dark wood?. He's using 3x glass coffee tables with pieces of wood on top which is too many components and too expensive.


It seems like I should be able to replicate the feel using normal coffee tables, but this doesn't have the same vibe. I know my terrible MSPaint skills don't help, but what am I missing? Is it because his wood is thicker? Is it because his tables have more legs? Or is this actually quite similar and his just looks better because of lighting?


I think a (faux) stone top could look really cool, and I wouldn't even need a shelf since I'd have so much table space on top:


I could also use benches or tables:


For the full floating effect, I could get 2x media consoles with the caveat that I'd also have to get a 6" riser for the TV since my center speaker would go up top, but this route is likely too expensive:


Is this multi-table idea stupid? I could just get the Ikea TV stand and be done with it but I know it's not really what I want.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 25, 2020

Gnossiennes
Jan 7, 2013


Loving chairs more every day!

Josh Lyman posted:

With Memorial Day sales nearly over, I think I've hit a snag in my TV stand search. Quick recap:

I'm okay with the Ikea Fjallbo but I don't love it. My main complaint is that even at 59", it's not much wider than the TV so the proportions are off.


I think this looks really cool. If I had to pinpoint what I like about it, it's the illusion of one long continuous surface. I think the pseudo-floating console effect from the light wood contrasting with the black metal also contributes but I'm not sure--in other words, would this work with dark wood?. He's using 3x glass coffee tables with pieces of wood on top which is too many components and too expensive.


It seems like I should be able to replicate the feel using normal coffee tables, but this doesn't have the same vibe. I know my terrible MSPaint skills don't help, but what am I missing? Is it because his wood is thicker? Is it because his tables have more legs? Or is this actually quite similar and his just looks better because of lighting?


I think a (faux) stone top could look really cool, and I wouldn't even need a shelf since I'd have so much table space on top:


I could also use benches or tables:


For the full floating effect, I could get 2x media consoles with the caveat that I'd also have to get a 6" riser for the TV since my center speaker would go up top, but this route is likely too expensive:


Is this multi-table idea stupid? I could just get the Ikea TV stand and be done with it but I know it's not really what I want.

the floating effect is due to the more squat proportions of the tables in the long-table shot. it darkens the underside and it's contents, so that the focus is off of that area, and coinkydinkily make it look floaty.

and yeah, lightning too, since it looks kinda spotlight-y with harsher darker shadows, and it looks like it's pushed completely up against a wall (which adds to it being darker underneath).

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002


Get whatever you like of course, but it is incredibly easy these days to find original art (often under $100) from people who need the support, instead of some company making copies of the big names

I use catawiki (which is EU focused, but maybe someone can suggest a US alternative) because it's auctions, but well curated compared to the masses of junk on ebay.

Some examples (also a few :nws: pieces in there):

https://www.catawiki.com/a/354457-affordable-modern-contemporary-artwork-auction
https://www.catawiki.com/a/353767-street-art-auction-editions
https://www.catawiki.com/a/340091-emerging-contemporary-art-auction

Nosre fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 25, 2020

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Gnossiennes posted:

the floating effect is due to the more squat proportions of the tables in the long-table shot. it darkens the underside and it's contents, so that the focus is off of that area, and coinkydinkily make it look floaty.

and yeah, lightning too, since it looks kinda spotlight-y with harsher darker shadows, and it looks like it's pushed completely up against a wall (which adds to it being darker underneath).
Using his DVD cases on the left as a reference, his tables are about 15" high and 42" long. 3x 42" is actually my ideal since it fills my 128" wall space, but 15" is shorter than most tables and too low for a TV.

The aspect ratio on my MSPaint is slightly off at 1.8 vs 1.96 in reality, but still, I would think the effect would be similar with most coffee tables. The faux stone top in particular is 42" x 18".

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 11:55 on May 25, 2020

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

I got some ART from https://www.saatchiart.com which I like and was not too expensive. Still need to get it framed though, and I dread to think how much that's going to cost over here.

Nosre posted:

I use catawiki

This is cool thanks

knox_harrington fucked around with this message at 12:25 on May 25, 2020

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


actionjackson posted:

Well one of my questions was just would it be an appropriate size, which he didn't say anything about. And then Sirotan said, inexplicably, "paint your own canvas" when I have absolutely zero painting skill or experience. It's just kind of bizarre.

edit anyway, this one has a nice blue gray theme

https://www.art.com/products/p52834512220-sa-i11444656/sue-jachimiec-smirr-i.htm?PODConfigID=9664578&sOrigID=226898&upi=Q1GWIG52FOUJ6

Go to an art store or online and get yourself a canvas, bigger is probably better for that wall. Then grab maybe 4-5 colors you like, blues and grays I guess. Get a couple paintbrushes. Then go to town. Fake a Rothko or a Pollock or whatever you want. You could even paint it a solid color and I guarantee that will have more heart, character, and visual interest than some babbys first modernist repro printed Rothko. If you really actually like that print, then honestly that's fine go for it, but it seems like you're just looking to buy something to fill a void and not art for art's sake. As someone else put it more eloquently, it's very kitsch. If that's being an rear end in a top hat well that's just tough love baby, I'm here to save you from design crimes.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

You buy prints to get started and then replace them with originals as you come across them. Otherwise you either end up with a lot of blank walls or really lovely palette knife blobs that you have no connection to but ItS OriGiNal!

Or bow to the power of a shelf, a trinket, and a succulent.

Edit: I should probably clarify: like tasteful prints. No there is never a good anime wall scroll.

The Dave fucked around with this message at 13:55 on May 25, 2020

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Josh Lyman posted:

With Memorial Day sales nearly over, I think I've hit a snag in my TV stand search. Quick recap:

I'm okay with the Ikea Fjallbo but I don't love it. My main complaint is that even at 59", it's not much wider than the TV so the proportions are off.


I think this looks really cool. If I had to pinpoint what I like about it, it's the illusion of one long continuous surface. I think the pseudo-floating console effect from the light wood contrasting with the black metal also contributes but I'm not sure--in other words, would this work with dark wood?. He's using 3x glass coffee tables with pieces of wood on top which is too many components and too expensive.


It seems like I should be able to replicate the feel using normal coffee tables, but this doesn't have the same vibe. I know my terrible MSPaint skills don't help, but what am I missing? Is it because his wood is thicker? Is it because his tables have more legs? Or is this actually quite similar and his just looks better because of lighting?


I think a (faux) stone top could look really cool, and I wouldn't even need a shelf since I'd have so much table space on top:


I could also use benches or tables:


For the full floating effect, I could get 2x media consoles with the caveat that I'd also have to get a 6" riser for the TV since my center speaker would go up top, but this route is likely too expensive:


Is this multi-table idea stupid? I could just get the Ikea TV stand and be done with it but I know it's not really what I want.

I didn't see your original post, but since you mentioned floating I presume you eyeballed Ikea Besta?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

there wolf posted:

Seeking out art instead of just buying recreations of famous work is good because it contributes to the sustenance of a creative, artistic culture that enriches society, fights commercialism, and encourages our own growth as creative people. Prints of famous paintings, even serious Rothko's, are kitsch. Nothing wrong with a house full of kitsch, but is that what you want?

Yeah I can get that part at least, still lol'ing at the "paint your own canvas" comment though.

I wouldn't say MC Escher is kitsch, but my connection there is that I've loved his stuff since I was a kid, and even been to his museum in the Netherlands - surprisingly, many Dutch don't seem to know who he is. I think it's the whole mathematical/geometric side to it, as well as the use of optical illusions.

oh thanks to the person that suggested centering after removing the part that comes down in the top left

Sirotan posted:

Go to an art store or online and get yourself a canvas, bigger is probably better for that wall. Then grab maybe 4-5 colors you like, blues and grays I guess. Get a couple paintbrushes. Then go to town. Fake a Rothko or a Pollock or whatever you want. You could even paint it a solid color and I guarantee that will have more heart, character, and visual interest than some babbys first modernist repro printed Rothko. If you really actually like that print, then honestly that's fine go for it, but it seems like you're just looking to buy something to fill a void and not art for art's sake. As someone else put it more eloquently, it's very kitsch. If that's being an rear end in a top hat well that's just tough love baby, I'm here to save you from design crimes.

no you're just an art person, you ignored the main substance of my post and saw "Rothko" and flipped the gently caress out

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 18:36 on May 25, 2020

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

For this print, do you think it would be better to have a 40x40 inch (with black frame, and no border), or a 30x30 inch frame with a 3" border (i.e. the print would be 27x27)?

this is their sample image for the 40x40 with no mat, and that paint in their picture is pretty similar to mine (very whitish gray)

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Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


falz posted:

I didn't see your original post, but since you mentioned floating I presume you eyeballed Ikea Besta?
Yeah. I can't do actual floating, and the freestanding Besta units aren't the right size.

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
I’m a huge fan of mid century travel posters. I have a deep want of a Georges Mathieu for Air France USSR poster, but need to take care of my David Klein for TWA London and Kaufer for American Airlines Mexico first

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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If people like pulp sci-fi or hot purple cyberpunk I'll make you art <3

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Brawnfire posted:

If people like pulp sci-fi or hot purple cyberpunk I'll make you art <3

I DO happen to like hot purple cyberpunk

And I happen to have access to a number of large format art printers.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

actionjackson posted:

Yeah I can get that part at least, still lol'ing at the "paint your own canvas" comment though.

I wouldn't say MC Escher is kitsch, but my connection there is that I've loved his stuff since I was a kid, and even been to his museum in the Netherlands - surprisingly, many Dutch don't seem to know who he is. I think it's the whole mathematical/geometric side to it, as well as the use of optical illusions.


I'm using a specific definition of kitsch which is the undermining of the distance between art and utilitarian object; it's art that has no personal connection and just mimics one by tapping into something so broad that it'll resonate with almost anyone. Originally that was gross over-sentimentality and melodrama, but with mass media and a deeply commercial culture it could literally be anything. There's an entire media empire instructing us on how to feel about Darth Vader's image; at this point we know a lot less about the dog's playing poker.

There is a cannon of kitsch fine art, propagated by museums, rudimentary art education, and a culture that likes to universalize things through constant resale. I think Escher is part of that cannon, but you've mentioned his work and shown examples you have before and I didn't bring up the kitsch thing because it's not relevant to your feelings. It was relevant to the Rothko thing because that really did just seem an exercise in wall filler that you were grabbing an established name for because it was easy.

I vote bigger print. You'll get more detail.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

there wolf posted:

I'm using a specific definition of kitsch which is the undermining of the distance between art and utilitarian object; it's art that has no personal connection and just mimics one by tapping into something so broad that it'll resonate with almost anyone. Originally that was gross over-sentimentality and melodrama, but with mass media and a deeply commercial culture it could literally be anything. There's an entire media empire instructing us on how to feel about Darth Vader's image; at this point we know a lot less about the dog's playing poker.

There is a cannon of kitsch fine art, propagated by museums, rudimentary art education, and a culture that likes to universalize things through constant resale. I think Escher is part of that cannon, but you've mentioned his work and shown examples you have before and I didn't bring up the kitsch thing because it's not relevant to your feelings. It was relevant to the Rothko thing because that really did just seem an exercise in wall filler that you were grabbing an established name for because it was easy.

I vote bigger print. You'll get more detail.

I absolutely get what you're saying (did you mean canon :)), and obviously Escher isn't unknown (at the same time I've never seen his stuff in any museum outside of his own, and if there's an Escher exhibit), but his case is special to me because of the mathematical nature of his drawings, and the inventiveness. It's probably because I work in a mathematical field (I'm a biostatistician). But I always loved his stuff, going as far back as to when I was in middle school, where I had no idea what "kitsch" even meant. My giant frame holding all the metamorphoses prints is one of my prized possessions.

Honestly I went to the art.com page or whatever, and I saw it, and I was like "oh this would look nice" and there you go :)

And I do agree, I think the 40x40 with the black frame will work well.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Are games art though

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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The Bloop posted:

I DO happen to like hot purple cyberpunk

And I happen to have access to a number of large format art printers.

Here's an imgur of some of my more recent art: https://imgur.com/a/uSY31nl and I have more examples on my website of some previous work, both personal and commissioned: http://www.geoffreyzeiner.com/

Sorry to interrupt proper interior design chat, I'll step back into the shadows now.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


A reminder that while we love all our posters and are happy to support small producers of all kinds, it is at your own risks and often best done through SA Mart for some reason that I can't remember and should probably check rather than just saying every time that I can't remember why.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



I find a reasoned combo of original art and old kitsch to be quite soothing.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

this is from the last two days of getting rid of stuff. there is ALWAYS more, no matter how little you seem to have. and yes that london poster is from ikea gently caress you all.

i just had a guy text me about the calculator, and tell me he was "sending a six digit code from google" to "make sure I was real" before he called me on the phone (?) lol

there's definitely stuff that is super specific and you don't need to use again for like ten years, like a drain removal tool haha

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

This is from ten years ago, but does anyone know about the validity of the claims that DWR ripped off other designers is true?

https://www.fastcompany.com/1460614/rise-and-fall-design-within-reach

starts about 1/3 of the way down

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
If you don’t want to deal with craigslist crazies freecycle has been a chill place for us to give away stuff

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
You can also just post curb alerts on craigslist. "I'm putting xyz out on the bottom of my driveway, come get it," and then you have to deal with zero bullshit

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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Jaded Burnout posted:

A reminder that while we love all our posters and are happy to support small producers of all kinds, it is at your own risks and often best done through SA Mart for some reason that I can't remember and should probably check rather than just saying every time that I can't remember why.

Oh, sorry. It just seemed topical but I realize self-promotion isn't the purpose of the thread.

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