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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

https://twitter.com/TheMcKenziest/status/1388041927476477958

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007





https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1388471637243318273?s=20

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

picture me workin McDonald's!
I'd rather pull a mac on you
sorry Ms. Jackson, but I'm packin


Pillbug


this is also stdh

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

tokin opposition posted:

I'm a prison abolitionist except for rich people

I mean, she hid in a cabin for months to evade authorities and shopped only via mail order and she has the resources to leave the country and disappear first chance she gets and her past behavior suggests she'd do it. If ever someone was a too much of a flight risk to let them out on bond, this is that person.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

indigi posted:

this is also stdh

yeah

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Get me the thrombic modulator






Fun Shoe

christmas boots posted:

I mean, she hid in a cabin for months to evade authorities and shopped only via mail order and she has the resources to leave the country and disappear first chance she gets and her past behavior suggests she'd do it. If ever someone was a too much of a flight risk to let them out on bond, this is that person.

her partner in crime also had a fake passport so there's a decent chance she has one too

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1388629682002726918

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Spergin Morlock posted:

her partner in crime also had a fake passport so there's a decent chance she has one too

It’s kind of amazing that she hasn’t been sent on the same trip he took, but maybe she doesn’t know anything.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Get me the thrombic modulator






Fun Shoe

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

It’s kind of amazing that she hasn’t been sent on the same trip he took, but maybe she doesn’t know anything.

she was the pilot of his private plane and is reported to have helped groom the young women. she knows stuff

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

One Potato to rule them all,
One Potato to find them,
One Potato to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them.





Bread Liar

indigi posted:

this is also stdh

Oh absolutely, but I'll never get tired of idiots doing the "[example of capitalism], wow such socialism" and not realising how loving stupid they look.

It's up there with the "workers donate their own sick leave and holiday pay to coworker hit by bus who might lose their house because of medical debt, isn't this just the American spirit at its best!"

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

quote:

But communism, in its essence, requires force. That's explicitly written by Marx. Even socialism can devolve into eventual communism and is identified as an in between phase by Marx as well.

Now I agree with the concept and application of the "welfare state" and fairer policies between worker and owner, but it should be done under managed capitalism, even some sort of hybrid neoliberal framework.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011


people in general have such a comically contradictory idea of what force and violence is

i remember bringing up the idea that maybe a rich person withholding resources from the desperate poor and being defended by police officers is a form of violence back in college and got a lot of weird looks, and this was even before i knew about things like grocery stores dumping poison onto food in dumpsters to keep the hungry from taking it

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


It’s as if people are educated to only consider violence against the status quo as violence and accept as normal, necessary and not violence the violence required to maintain it. Weird.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012





Tiler Kiwi posted:

people in general have such a comically contradictory idea of what force and violence is

i remember bringing up the idea that maybe a rich person withholding resources from the desperate poor and being defended by police officers is a form of violence back in college and got a lot of weird looks, and this was even before i knew about things like grocery stores dumping poison onto food in dumpsters to keep the hungry from taking it

Reading grapes of wrath turned me into a maoist tbh. Let's go peasants let's get those oranges before they're soaked in kerosene

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Tiler Kiwi posted:

people in general have such a comically contradictory idea of what force and violence is

i remember bringing up the idea that maybe a rich person withholding resources from the desperate poor and being defended by police officers is a form of violence back in college and got a lot of weird looks, and this was even before i knew about things like grocery stores dumping poison onto food in dumpsters to keep the hungry from taking it

The idea that colleges were hotbeds of leftist thought is a fantasy concocted wholesale by conservatives and believed only by people who had never been. At least in my experience

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

It’s kind of amazing that she hasn’t been sent on the same trip he took, but maybe she doesn’t know anything.

In an ironic twist, the people who had Epstein killed are so deeply entrenched in patriarchal power structures that they don't have any lady hitmen and thus have no way of actually getting to her while in custody.

Aww shucks.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




christmas boots posted:

In an ironic twist, the people who had Epstein killed are so deeply entrenched in patriarchal power structures that they don't have any lady hitmen and thus have no way of actually getting to her while in custody.

Aww shucks.

Agent 47 is going to have to get creative.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011


Orange Devil posted:

It’s as if people are educated to only consider violence against the status quo as violence and accept as normal, necessary and not violence the violence required to maintain it. Weird.

It also ties into how the notion of violence itself has shifted to be more an implicitly immoral thing that requires justification or obfuscation; of course, said methods of obsfuscation and the ability to do things like assert property rights 'nonviolently' (by treating ownership as 'natural' despite ownership requiring the ability to deny others the utilization of said owned thing (if you don't agree with that concept then I have an NFT of a bridge to sell you)) benefits the status quo, as these 'nonviolent' methods (that implicitly require the backing of a monopoly of force) require greater resources (and ability to disseminate norms en masse) than more explicitly violent acts do, thus ensuring the already powerful can also monopolize the moral high ground. To the point where it's considered not at all violent if i were to assert control of the intellectual property of insulin and horde it all in an underground bunker while all the diabetics die, and in fact Im going to have people falling over themselves to justify such an act for me since the act of taking anything from me would require violating the NAP (and thus justifying all those cops killing the hell out of you while I get to claim pacifist perfection).

Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 13:25 on May 2, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

Tiler Kiwi posted:

It also ties into how the notion of violence itself has shifted to be more an implicitly immoral thing that requires justification or obfuscation; of course, said methods of obsfuscation and the ability to do things like assert property rights 'nonviolently' (by treating ownership as 'natural' despite ownership requiring the ability to deny others the utilization of said owned thing

quote:

Well I hope this is not an arguement that devovles into "everything mr. Rich does is exploitative and violent cause he is rich" and "everything mr. Poor does is justifiable cause he is just surviving. " The problem with that kind of reasoning is that it removes nuance.

Rich landlord who buys land legally, is not force.

Rich landlord who gets squatters out from his private property under the code of conduct of a law, if any, is just right.

Rich landlord who drives away a poor person who owns family land, just to develop it to a condominium or mall should be illegal and the owner must be afforded the same fair legal system, and power of attorney, that is given to the richer party. Of course unless, land owner agreed into selling in the first place, at fair market value.

Landlords not following an agrarian reform program is force, and must be penalized.

There are laws against a person taking food from a grocery owner's inventory supply. But I agree for a more humane approach in this situatiion.

Food surplus, deliberately destroyed rather than to be donated to food banks is ridiculous. I think this situation is prevalent in the richer economies.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Samuel Langhorne Clemens posted:

There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

One More Fat Nerd
Apr 13, 2007
no neckbeard, though.



Nap Ghost

Milo and POTUS posted:

The idea that colleges were hotbeds of leftist thought is a fantasy concocted wholesale by conservatives and believed only by people who had never been. At least in my experience

There's specific strains of American conservative thought that are much harder (though not impossible) to maintain with the experience of a good dose of higher education. Mostly creationism and other forms of hardcore christian fundamentalism. Theres also evidence that college degrees correllate with lowered levels of white racial grievance.

The fantasy exists because the conservatives can't tell the difference between a centrist who isn't personally a religious zealot bigot (though they uphold a racist status quo) and an actual leftist.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Platystemon posted:

Mark Twain two reigns of terror quote

Marx to Engels, September 4, 1870 posted:

... The defence of Paris, if nothing extraordinary happens in the course of it, will be an entertaining episode. These perpetual little panics of the French – which all arise from fear of the moment when they will really have to learn the truth – give one a much better idea of the Reign of Terror. We think of this as the reign of people who inspire terror; on the contrary, it is the reign of people who are themselves terrified. Terror consists mostly of useless cruelties perpetrated by frightened people in order to reassure themselves. I am convinced that the blame for the Reign of Terror in 1793 lies almost exclusively with the over-nervous bourgeois, demeaning himself as a patriot, the small petty bourgeois beside themselves with fright and the mob of riff-raff who know how to profit from the terror. These are just the classes in the present minor terror too.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Slavoj Žižek Mike Milligan, On Violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B77ym0cWVmA

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


Buying land legally: not force. lol

Lets ignore the fact that the whole point of buying land legally is to be able to enlist the states monopoly on violence to enforce your claim against every other person in the world. You can argue this is justifiable violence because private property rights are good (they are not) and because the laws are fair and just (they are not) and the means to buy land are fairly distributed amongst the population (ahahaha) but lMAO at claiming there is no violence here.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

Orange Devil posted:

Buying land legally: not force. lol

Lets ignore the fact that the whole point of buying land legally is to be able to enlist the states monopoly on violence to enforce your claim against every other person in the world. You can argue this is justifiable violence because private property rights are good (they are not) and because the laws are fair and just (they are not) and the means to buy land are fairly distributed amongst the population (ahahaha) but lMAO at claiming there is no violence here.

quote:

And yet, are you are okay with an armed uprising by the proletariat to unseat the bourgeoisie? Ironically, that requires more devolving violence. What benefit will that cause? That's a hard sell. Capitalism, which pays workers jack-poo poo for back breaking work, provide more benefit than the Maoists and their movement towards their vision.

The problem with the argument that the current society is ran by violence and force is that it disregards first, progress in actual laws and rights- such as the right to unionize and worker protection laws. And second, the "teeth" part of some laws as well. Or do you agree with certain ridiculous notions of "defund the police" too? Yes there must be improvements, but it's not found in an extreme shift to the left or the right.

I don't see how "revolutionary" communism is more beneficial when set against correct economic management and sustainable policy, perhaps even progressivism- all of which requires a level of development driven by capitalism.

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


Beautiful :cheffskiss:

Progress in laws and rights, specifically workers rights. Just happen on their own through the magnificence of capitalism do they? Or was literally every right we have (lets ignore for now that rights are a legal fiction ignored by the ruling class whenever convenient for them and thus actually we got no rights) won by people willing to violently struggle against the capitalist order?

Bathroom breaks, paid sick leave, not getting fired for getting pregnant, the 8 hour work day, the 5 day workweek, fire safety standards, disability benefits, pensions, every single goddamn thing you have you have because people were willing and did fight, bleed and die for them. And the second the capitalist class perceives we are no longer willing or able to fight that fight they start rolling all that poo poo back.

Its all loving violence, as long as our default assumption is that people should starve unless they can sell their muscle and brains to someone it cant possibly be anything other than violence that underpins every single goddamn transaction.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

What do you mean the laws aren't just and fair, a rich man isn't allowed to sleep under a bridge just like a poor one

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Jozy loves scoring like a fat kid loves eating cake.





Colonel Cancer posted:

What do you mean the laws aren't just and fair, a rich man isn't allowed to sleep under a bridge just like a poor one

The laws are just and fair, both rich and poor are allowed to underpay employees in the name of profit and both rich and poor are forbidden from stealing bread to feed themselves.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012



https://twitter.com/leftyvegan/status/1388692889933385728

Jose
Jul 24, 2007





https://twitter.com/tlbtlbtlb/status/1388926766920605698?s=19

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012




Would be a good @getfiscal post.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006




My Trotskyist groupuscule wants to bring a maoist friend of one of them into our play party on Saturday. I wasn't consulted and now I'm feeling left out. AITA?

Apoplexy
Mar 9, 2003

~Neck Angels~



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Agent 47 is going to have to get creative.

(this is not to be taken as anything other than a silly reference to Hitman)

https://twitter.com/JOHNofWAR/status/1388297593680171009

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001


that guy rules

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1389291206681710602

Kitfox88
Aug 20, 2007





a Loving Dog posted:

that guy rules

would

Kitfox88
Aug 20, 2007






ted hitler hunter
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC




I have a hot take.

Scalpers, griefers, boring trolls, hackers, cryptominers, multiplayer video game cheaters, boring people, super-spreaders, anti-vaxxers, wet blankets and anyone else who disrupts entertainment are actually freedom fighters who should be hailed as heroes because and I quote

quote:

In "Brave New World" non-stop distractions of the most fascinating nature are deliberately used as instruments of policy, for the purpose of preventing people from paying too much attention to the realities of the social and political situation. The other world of religion is different from the other world of entertainment; but they resemble one another in being most decidedly "not of this world." Both are distractions and, if lived in too continuously, both can become, in Marx's phrase "the opium of the people" and so a threat to freedom.

quote:

In regard to propaganda the early advocates of universal literacy and a free press envisaged only two possibilities: the propaganda might be true, or the propaganda might be false. They did not foresee what in fact has happened, above all in our Western capitalist democracies - the development of a vast mass communications industry, concerned in the main neither with the true nor the false, but with the unreal, the more or less totally irrelevant. In a word, they failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions.
In the past most people never got a chance of fully satisfying this appetite. They might long for distractions, but the distractions were not provided. Christmas came but once a year, feasts were "solemn and rare," there were few readers and very little to read, and the nearest approach to a neighborhood movie theater was the parish church, where the performances though frequent, were somewhat monotonous. For conditions even remotely comparable to those now prevailing we must return to imperial Rome, where the populace was kept in good humor by frequent, gratuitous doses of many kinds of entertainment - from poetical dramas to gladiatorial fights, from recitations of Virgil to all-out boxing, from concerts to military reviews and public executions. But even in Rome there was nothing like the non-stop distractions now provided by newspapers and magazines, by radio, television and the cinema. In "Brave New World" non-stop distractions of the most fascinating nature are deliberately used as instruments of policy, for the purpose of preventing people from paying too much attention to the realities of the social and political situation. The other world of religion is different from the other world of entertainment; but they resemble one another in being most decidedly "not of this world." Both are distractions and, if lived in too continuously, both can become, in Marx's phrase "the opium of the people" and so a threat to freedom. Only the vigilant can maintain their liberties, and only those who are constantly and intelligently on the spot can hope to govern themselves effectively by democratic procedures. A society, most of whose members spend a great part of their time, not on the spot, not here and now and in their calculable future, but somewhere else, in the irrelevant other worlds of sport and soap opera, of mythology and metaphysical fantasy, will find it hard to resist the encroachments of those would manipulate and control it.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

"...and we sent them to the nursing homes! In the middle of a pandemic!"

ted hitler hunter posted:

I have a hot take.

Scalpers, griefers, boring trolls, hackers, cryptominers, multiplayer video game cheaters, boring people, super-spreaders, anti-vaxxers, wet blankets and anyone else who disrupts entertainment are actually freedom fighters who should be hailed as heroes because and I quote

that doesn't seem like a super hot take, that reads like a take from someone that just picked up their first McLuhan or Postman writing.

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Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011


i think thats a misread on the opium of the people line but more importantly hands off my goddamn opium

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