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tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I know a lot of
weed smokers


VOTE!


copeium

anyway I saw the hot take mention brave new world in the first sentence and stopped reading on the assumption that it's going to be a high school level take

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paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020



me to

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

tokin opposition posted:

copeium

anyway I saw the hot take mention brave new world in the first sentence and stopped reading on the assumption that it's going to be a high school level take

The more access you have to entertainment the less likely you are to do poo poo and so to keep people vigilant against encroachment of their rights they should always be kind of bored.

It seems a bit simplistic.

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010




Fallen Rib

drat, sure am glad I’m miserably bored all the time at my pointless job instead of getting to be a human being. i might forget to protect my rights if I feel good about anything

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

whoops missed the revolution because I was too busy punching a child in Disco Elysium

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

"...and we sent them to the nursing homes! In the middle of a pandemic!"

christmas boots posted:

whoops missed the revolution because I was too busy punching a child in Disco Elysium

The gently caress does Cuno care about a revolution

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES



christmas boots posted:

The more access you have to entertainment the less likely you are to do poo poo and so to keep people vigilant against encroachment of their rights they should always be kind of bored.

It seems a bit simplistic.

You say that but as soon as CHUDs got bored for a week they started trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan to “protect their rights”

Bored Online
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.


Lib and let die posted:

The gently caress does Cuno care about a revolution

cuno doesnt loving care

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Do they think everyone was a Normal Rockwell grey-faced peasant slowly labouring in the fields until tv was invented

People played games, sang songs, told jokes and stories, got drunk all the time and amused themselves and each other.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Do they think everyone was a Normal Rockwell grey-faced peasant slowly labouring in the fields until tv was invented

People played games, sang songs, told jokes and stories, got drunk all the time and amused themselves and each other.

Yeah, and capitalism won

Jose
Jul 24, 2007





https://twitter.com/Krastovden/status/1390952707075289093?s=20

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 30 days!



now THAT'S a spicy meatball!!

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020




oh for sure bro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_post-Soviet_aliyah

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG


that is the most upside down take I've read in a long loving time wow

Weembles
Apr 19, 2004



Flesh Forge posted:

that is the most upside down take I've read in a long loving time wow

Just think about all of the "well actually black people are the majority in South Africa, so" tweets we missed out on due to twitter not existing in the 80s.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?



Now this is impressive

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 30 days!


Milo and POTUS posted:

Now this is impressive

yea this thread got watered down with generic @NotACopAnarchist tweeting "Actually Marx was a white supremacist and if you ask me to elaborate that's assault" poo poo but boy howdy is that a true nuclear take

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog


https://twitter.com/MichLKosinski/status/1391021496202670082

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?



drat that's a solid contender

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Your 2017 World Series MVP





Pillbug

I was coming to link that tweet, it is astonishing. Not even to just think those things but to expect that people would go YEAH GO GET EM

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Not keeping silent about crimes committed by the government of China is racist!

Hi hot takes thread.

Question: what is the evidence for Soviet maliciousness causing the Holodormir? What's the evidence that it was caused by kulak fit-throwing and western blockades?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011
[angry posting noises]


mycomancy posted:

Hi hot takes thread.

Question: what is the evidence for Soviet maliciousness causing the Holodormir? What's the evidence that it was caused by kulak fit-throwing and western blockades?

Literal Ukrainian fascists that fought for nazi Germany said it happened intentionally and now their descendants and Neonazis repeat such as fact. That's all there is to it.

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

What do you think about Stalin's directive "Preventing the Mass Exodus of Peasants who are Starvipng"? I couldn't easily find the text but would be very interested to read it.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER



there's a fair amount of evidence that the soviets, though a combination of political priorities and simple neglect, condemned the ukrainian countryside to a worse fate than the russian metropole; they also continued their industrialisation programme at a time when they probably could've prioritised feeding people. the idea that it was a deliberate, targeted genocide doesn't hold up, though - parts of central asia were hit worse, proportionally, than ukraine was

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT



I'll take "What's a reserve army of labour?" for all of your seats.

turd in my singlet
Jul 5, 2008

DO ALL DA WORK

WIT YA NECK

*heavy metal music playing*

Nap Ghost

change the name to the Labour Aristocracy party

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!


V. Illych L. posted:

there's a fair amount of evidence that the soviets, though a combination of political priorities and simple neglect, condemned the ukrainian countryside to a worse fate than the russian metropole; they also continued their industrialisation programme at a time when they probably could've prioritised feeding people. the idea that it was a deliberate, targeted genocide doesn't hold up, though - parts of central asia were hit worse, proportionally, than ukraine was

the problem with this kind of theorizing of saving more lives by reducing the industrialisation programme is that they were preparing for an apocalyptic war with Germany, which ended up coming and being as bad as anyone could have thought, and vastly more people would have likely died if the soviet economy was much weaker and it led to them losing the war against the fascists.

basicaly, the more i learn, the more i think that the soviet command apparatus had to make some very hard choices, but since their choices led to the defeat of fascism when it was at its most powerful, basically, stalin was right.

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


At the time these choices were made the nazis were still total outsiders though.


Though in hindsight yes absolutely, gotta industrialize to kill fascists.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!


Orange Devil posted:

At the time these choices were made the nazis were still total outsiders though.


Though in hindsight yes absolutely, gotta industrialize to kill fascists.

well, the social democrats killed rosa, so it's not like they were leagues better.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010




Fun Shoe

Orange Devil posted:

At the time these choices were made the nazis were still total outsiders though.


Though in hindsight yes absolutely, gotta industrialize to kill fascists.

that still leaves the rest of the capitalist world, who, as one might note, already had invaded the ussr once

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020



Here's some good reporting on the modern (specifically canadian) propaganda surrounding it

https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1226628034473558017?s=19

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!


reminds me of the primary sources my one professor showed us of documents of the canadian government okaying the immigration of nazi collaborators specifically to destroy the unions in Timmins, if i remember right. kind of nice of him to crack ping me when my brain could still take it..

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Not keeping silent about crimes committed by the government of China is racist!

Cerebral Bore posted:

the rest of the capitalist world, who, as one might note, already had invaded the ussr once

Please help educate an ignorant, can you link to something elaborating on this?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007




mycomancy posted:

Please help educate an ignorant, can you link to something elaborating on this?

britain, france, canada, australia, and the united states all* had military forces of various sizes scattered around russia helping the whites

* this is nowhere near a comprehensive list of all the countries trying to gently caress the bolsheviks after wwi

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020



mycomancy posted:

Please help educate an ignorant, can you link to something elaborating on this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Jozy loves scoring like a fat kid loves eating cake.





mycomancy posted:

Please help educate an ignorant, can you link to something elaborating on this?

During the Russian Civil War, the Allied powers from WWI invaded various parts of the former Russian Empire for various anti-Bolshevik reasons, first to restore a government that would keep fighting Germany and then, after November 1918, to help the Whites against the Bolsheviks out of their own anticommunism. The interventions were generally small-scale and ineffectual and didn't actually do much fighting, they were more like the organized seizure of Russian ports to facilitate shipping supplies to the Whites and the evacuation of anti-Bolshevik Russians when it was obvious the Whites were going to lose, but nonetheless for the Bolsheviks they were interpreted as proof of the longstanding assumption that the capitalist world would never tolerate the existence of a socialist state, and that the temporary absence of war was not evidence of any kind of lasting peace or modus vivendi. It wasn't until the Khrushchev era that the USSR would stop interpreting almost all foreign affairs through the lens of inevitable war with the capitalist world, and it helps any understanding of Soviet decision-making immensely to remember that this was their principal anxiety for about the first four decades of the existence of the USSR.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?




It's Rogan so probably fairly tepid for him lol

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1391138498950930434?s=19

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007





https://twitter.com/throwajoker/status/1391207543683354626?s=20

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