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Who should go #1 overall?
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Nolan Patrick 7 12.50%
Nico Hischier 8 14.29%
Someone Else 2 3.57%
Edmonton Oilers 39 69.64%
Total: 56 votes
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Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

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Who What When Where Why How?

The 2017 NHL Draft is time time of year when all 31 NHL teams (Welcome Vegas) select babyfaced players to project their hopes and dreams on, only to watch them bust out in a few years. This year, the draft is held in Chicago, home of The Club That Saved HockeyTM, on June 23-24.

Alright, so who's eligible for this shinding?

wikipedia posted:

Ice hockey players born between January 1, 1997, and September 15, 1999, are eligible for selection in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft. Additionally, un-drafted, non-North American players born in 1996 are eligible for the draft; and those players who were drafted in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, but not signed by an NHL team and who were born after June 30, 1997, are also eligible to re-enter the draft.


So who's #1?

Good news. There are two (2) players in contention for this year's #1 overall pick. They are the year-long presumptive favorite, Nolan Patrick, and Nico Hischier, the rookie who played his way into consideration with a very good season. (and some Patrick injuries). Let's meet them


Nolan Patrick – 6'3”, 200 lb, C, Brandon (WHL) :canada: 33 GP, 20/26/46

Future Considerations posted:

"A lethal combo of size, speed and skill; plays a power game and possesses one of the most well-rounded skill sets in the CHL…has great wheels and is able to surprise with his speed…hands and ability to protect the puck is high end…plays very responsibly with the puck, but also makes something happen each time he possesses it…uses his strength and reach to guard the puck, driving his way around the offensive zone…a heads-up, confident passer…has a sharp release on his wrist shot and is capable of beating a goaltender from anywhere in the offensive zone."

Patrick also had to deal with a busted collarbone and a sports hernia and was out of commission most of the year. Despite his injuries, he is still a top talent and put up 41/61/102 in 71 GP during the 2015-16 season.



Nico Hischier – 6'0”, 172 lb, C/RW, Halifax (QMJHL), :eurovision: 57 GP, 38/48/86

Future Considerations posted:

"A smooth-skating, playmaking center…good skating agility and top speed, but is more quick than fast…is able to make quick turns and displays good lateral movement…not big or strong, but still shows willingness to take hits and battle for space…goes into board battles and uses his body to fight for pucks…excellent playmaking instincts, vision and passing skills…puts puck where his linemates can best utilize the chance…an incredible stickhandler who thrives in possession and can make defenders look foolish"

The new kid on the block, Hischier came to North America from Switzerland, and lit up the Q in his first and only year. (Not that says much) More notably, he dominated up the World Juniors and almost single-handily beat the USA. That tournament put him on the map and got the scouts attention. Also dealt with injuries, but not on Patrick's level. Both players will be real good. Probably


Which (un)fortunate teams gets to draft these young men?

The New Jersey Devils will be the first team on the clock due to some fortunate ping-pong ball bounces. Originally scheduled to pick 5th, they jumped four (4) spots and an 8.5% chance to win the top pick. They are joined by the Philadelphia Flyers picking 2nd, who jumped eleven! (11) spots, and the Dallas Stars, who jumped five (5) spots to pick 3rd. This means the actual worst team, the 48 points Colorado Avalanche will pick 4th and the expansion Vegas Golden Knights will pick 6th. The lottery sure is something.




Who else is good?



Courtesy Canucks Army, these rankings are from the end of March

Players of note:

Timothy Liljegren - Was supposed to challenge Patrick for #1 overall until he caught mono and missed most of the season. Will challenge for first D off the board
Callan Foote - Son of long-time NHLer Adam Footer. Plays a lot like his dad, but faster and quicker
Klim Klosten - Maybe the best pure goal scorer of this class. Is :ussr:

Anything else I should know?

This is considered a weak draft compared to years past. If Patrick was in last years draft, he probably would have gone around #5 overall. He is still a good player, just not an elite offensive talent like McDavid, Eichel, or Matthews. Think Towes-lite. Despite the lack of elite top-end offensive talent seen in the last couple years, there are still some good players and value to be had. Klim Klostin is maybe the best pure goal scorer in the draft, but will be available until 12 or so due to injuries and :ussr:. The best goalie is Jake Oetinger and he was lights out in the two games I watched of his. Teams will still get good players. Especially the Flyers. Because Ron Hextall is a goon and totally did not threaten to break Bettman's legs for the #2 pick.


Philly should always host the draft. https://www.instagram.com/p/pw9p34EbfZ/


Happy Drafting :)

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I would now like to use this space to talk about my favorite prospect, Denis Smirnov. Denis Smirnov is a 5'9” LW and played the 2016-17 NCAA season as a 19 year old. He scored 47 points in 39 games. This makes him the highest scoring freshman last season. He scored more points than noted 1st round picks Clayton Keller (45), Henrik Borgstrom (43), Luke Kunin (38), Trent Frederic (33), etc, etc. Denis Smirnov is very good at hockey. He went undrafted the last two years and should hopefully find a home this year. Despite being a D+2 overager, he is still young enough (19) to torch the NCAA because he is that good and not because he's older/faster/stronger than the rest of the competition. He found his spot in a tougher league and kicked his game up a notch or two. Why yes, I'm a Penn St homer, why do you ask? Have some highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdWJ79jiAg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdZsxutiZs

https://twitter.com/NCAAIceHockey/status/845770541101408256

https://twitter.com/NCAAIceHockey/status/846137151779717122

https://twitter.com/PennStateMHKY/status/846136979561598976

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Speaking of overagers, Morgan Geekie is probably the best one and could pull a Borgstrom and go late first. He went from 25 points in 66 games to 90 in 72. In a nominally weak draft, all it takes is one team to like a guy.

I think overagers are less of a concern if a player goes the NCAA route. Borgstrom, Smirnov, etc are all "overagers" yet still young for the NCAA curve and still put of a lot of points regardless.

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Craig Button posted his mock draft. He has Nico going #1

http://www.tsn.ca/nolan-or-nico-button-says-it-s-still-nico-in-latest-mock-1.750199

Top 5 picks posted:

1. New Jersey Devils: Nico Hischier, C, Halifax (QMJHL) A smart, highly skilled centre who is complimented by 2016 first-round pick Michael McLeod.
HT: 6-0-3/4 WT: 176 S: L
GP: 57 G: 38 P: 86 PIM: 24

2. Philadelphia Flyers: Nolan Patrick, C, Brandon (WHL) The Flyers are loaded on the blueline and get a well-rounded centre.
HT: 6-2-3/4 WT: 198 S: R
GP: 33 G: 20 P: 46 PIM: 36

3. Dallas Stars: Miro Heiskanen, D, HIFK (SM Liiga) A highly intelligent and excellent skater who projects as a top-pair defenceman.
HT: 6-0 WT: 170 S: L
GP: 37 G: 5 P: 10 PIM: 4

4. Colorado Avalanche: Gabe Vilardi, C, Windsor (OHL) His offensive skill, combined with size and ability, make him a difficult player to defend against.
HT: 6-3 WT: 201 S: R
GP: 49 G: 29 P: 61 PIM: 12

5. Vancouver Canucks: Cody Glass, C/RW, Portland (WHL) The development of his game is reminiscent of Mark Scheifele at the same stage. Would make a nice duo with Bo Horvat.
HT: 6-1-3/4 WT: 180 S: R
GP: 69 G: 32 P: 94 PIM: 36

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Stretch Marx posted:

Seriously how is Yamamoto so undervalued? If the Leafs get him to replace Hyman on Matthews's wing, Jesus Christ.

He's small

That's it

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Thats the highest I have seen Suzuki ranked. And most likely the lowest for Necas and Pettersson. And Mittlestadt.

And I have no idea who his 10/11 guys are at all

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There is literally no benefit for Patrick playing another year in the WHL. What he needs in a year in the AHL, but noooooope. Which is why I kinda want Nico. He can play in the AHL right away.

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A Typical Goon posted:

If a player is dominate in junior then there is nothing left for then to benefit from. Patrick was far from dominate in junior however.

I don't think either Patrick or Hischier should be in the NHL next year

Patrick scored 102 points in his D-1 year. How isn't that dominate?

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A Typical Goon posted:

Normally dominant players aren't third on their line in PPG and they usually don't regress offensively between their draft-1 and draft year.

I like how you don't mention how he scored 46 points this season. His PPG ratio of 1.39 this season was good for 10th the WHL. The Jets 2015 4th round pick Michael Spacek is only a little over a year older and scored a higher PPG on the season. He dominant too?

The 2017 draft is garbage at the top. None of these guys are immediate impact players and I think think teams would be a lot better off letting them have an extra development year

My partner's family is from Brandon so I've probably seen Patrick play live between 5-10 times the last couple of years. He is Sam Reinhart reborn, and not at all an elite prospect, even if he does get drafted top 2

Oh come on. Patrick only scored 46 points because he broke his collarbone. You know this. And Patrick's D-1 year was leagues better than Reinhart's (if I'm reading the stats page right)

Players should have an extra development year, just not in the CHL.

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No poo poo Patrick's development stalled this year. Because he missed half the year injured you goon.

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A Typical Goon posted:

So a player who's development has stalled "has literally no benefit to staying in the WHL"

Hot take you goon

Patrick has already proved he can smoke the WHL and the NHL has much better doctors in the non-zero chance he blows out his groin again

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Marek's rankings are up http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jeff-mareks-top-100-prospects-2017-nhl-draft/

quote:

1. Nolan Patrick – C, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
2. Nico Hischier – C, Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL
3. Miro Heiskanen – D, HIFK, Liiga
4. Owen Tippett – RW, Mississauga Steelheads, OHL
5. Cody Glass – C, Portland Winterhawks, WHL
6. Gabriel Vilardi – C, Windsor Spitfires, OHL
7. Timothy Liljegren – D, Timra, Allsvenskan
8. Casey Mittelstadt - C, Eden Prairie, Minnesota High School
9. Cale Makar – D, Brooks Bandits, AJHL
10. Martin Necas – C, Brno, Czech Extraliga

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Yak should go to Vegas and play with Shipabov and Devanov

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I assumed Bo Horvat would be pretty bad because his name is Bo

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https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/870723388846874624

https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/870725357930000384

This, uh, explains a lot. I kinda think whoever takes Patrick will find a way to play him in the NHL so he can have NHL doctors


Have some more rankings

McKeen's posted:

1 Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier
3 Miro Heiskanen
4 Gabriel Vilardi
5 Casey Mittelstadt
6 Owen Tippett
7 Cale Makar
8 Cody Glass
9 Kristian Vesalainen
10 Michael Rasmussen

Future Considerations posted:

1. Nolan Patrick
2. Nico Hischier
3. Miro Heiskanen
4. Gabriel Vilardi
5. Casey Mittelstadt
6. Owen Tippett
7. Cale Makar
8. Elias Pettersson
9. Martin Necas
10. Cody Glass

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Hey, a sticky

Thanks mods

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NBA just had its top pick traded for the first time in a while.

After Nolan and Nico, most of the players are kinda interchangeable. The difference between Villardi and Glass, not much

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ThinkTank posted:

we're mostly posting in the N/V thread atm although we probably need an NHL TRADESTORM AND DRAFT GDT now.

This can be the draft GDT

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