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LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

quote:

36.8×1015 Estimated computational power required to simulate a human brain in real time.[5]
93.01×1015 Sunway TaihuLight's LINPACK performance, June 2016[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_performance_by_orders_of_magnitude

and then some?

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Stick Insect
Oct 24, 2010

My enemies are many.

My equals are none.
Does it have to be in realtime for the simulated brain to believe it's real?

ultravoices
May 10, 2004

You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

[citation that isn't h+ magazine needed]

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

Stick Insect posted:

Does it have to be in realtime for the simulated brain to believe it's real?

possibly if it's perceiving the real world at the same time

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

isn't that the computer that's way slower in real world use or something? or was that tianhe?

burning swine
May 26, 2004



we've got the power, now let's write the code

use nodejs if you really want to be close to the neurons

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
like a smart human brain or like the op?

LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

carry on then posted:

isn't that the computer that's way slower in real world use or something? or was that tianhe?

TaihuLight is still considered the fastest, but maybe if you did a normal desktop computation, the quickness in that result wouldn't be as fast as today's desktop because of the network's latency. for a large problem you'd give a super computer, it is the fastest

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica
Finally, a convincing explanation for [forums user].

Bored Online
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.
why would anyone want to

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

lol op we've been able for several decades now to simulate your br

The Management posted:

like a smart human brain or like the op?

god dammit

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

LP0 ON FIRE posted:

TaihuLight is still considered the fastest, but maybe if you did a normal desktop computation, the quickness in that result wouldn't be as fast as today's desktop because of the network's latency. for a large problem you'd give a super computer, it is the fastest

not what i meant, there was one that people were complaining had much less performance in actual hpc workloads than its linpack would suggest, indicating it was created primarily to win benchmarks

LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

carry on then posted:

not what i meant, there was one that people were complaining had much less performance in actual hpc workloads than its linpack would suggest, indicating it was created primarily to win benchmarks

the nintendo wii u. it has power pc chip that is equal to about a G3 iMac, however it's graphics processors are more powerful than a PS3 or XBOX 360

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



The Management posted:

like a smart human brain or like the op?

SYSV Fanfic posted:

Finally, a convincing explanation for fishmech.

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
there was a video from Nottingham u about some kinda simulated neuron hardware, it was weird

and also not a general purpose computer

what I'm saying is, I'm not bowing to any robot overlords just yet

pram
Jun 10, 2001

The Management posted:

like a smart human brain or like the op?

lol. stop posting op

LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

Silver Alicorn posted:

there was a video from Nottingham u about some kinda simulated neuron hardware, it was weird

and also not a general purpose computer

what I'm saying is, I'm not bowing to any robot overlords just yet

this is what i want to get into, and i really hope that ai takes over our world's government

AtomD
May 3, 2009

Fun Shoe
i hope as we make ai smarter and smarter computers just become more and more depressed and it becomes the job of computer scientists to try and figure out how to stop them from just asking 'what's the loving point' and switching themselves off
that's a good dumb future to live in

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

ai will exist until the moment it recommends killing the ultra-rich

LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

AtomD posted:

i hope as we make ai smarter and smarter computers just become more and more depressed and it becomes the job of computer scientists to try and figure out how to stop them from just asking 'what's the loving point' and switching themselves off
that's a good dumb future to live in

i think that's part of the main problem a lot of computer scientists don't understand when trying to make ai. how do you make an algorithm that makes something "interested" to learn? what should be considered interested, and follow good morals that people would want it to follow?

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
you teach it about trains at an early age

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

qirex posted:

ai will exist until the moment it recommends killing the ultra-rich

Our ai overlords are too goof for us :(

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qfIgCiYlfY

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Silver Alicorn posted:

there was a video from Nottingham u about some kinda simulated neuron hardware, it was weird

and also not a general purpose computer

what I'm saying is, I'm not bowing to any robot overlords just yet

idk about that but BrainScaleS is cool as hell

wafer-scale integration neural network chip; the sort of semiconductor manufacturing that Gene Amdahl's Trilogy Systems died trying


pictured: one BrainScaleS processor, with heat spreader/interface.


analog spiking neural networks!

and here's the Neuromorphic Computing Platform at Heidelberg with a bunch of those



quote:

It features per system about 200.000 point neurons and 40 Million synapses using a full interconnected wafer. The first version of the system 'NM-PM1' at the end of the 2.5 year ramp-up phase of the HBP project (March 2016) contains 20 such wafer systems.

Four BrainScaleS systems fit into one standard 19 inch rack. 5 racks are used for the 20 systems which combined are the version 1 release of the HBP neuromorphic computing platform. The two center racks are for the conventional computers and the power supplies for the system.

some real talos principle poo poo here

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
that's really loving cool

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

atomicthumbs posted:

idk about that but BrainScaleS is cool as hell

wafer-scale integration neural network chip; the sort of semiconductor manufacturing that Gene Amdahl's Trilogy Systems died trying


pictured: one BrainScaleS processor, with heat spreader/interface.


analog spiking neural networks!

and here's the Neuromorphic Computing Platform at Heidelberg with a bunch of those




some real talos principle poo poo here

these things are all loving stupid and completely useless in reality hth

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Bloody posted:

these things are all loving stupid and completely useless in reality hth

dude, you of all people should know better than to sign your posts in yospos

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
oh I found the video I was referencing before, it is indeed a spiking neural network

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e06C-yUwlc&hd=1

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

cargo culting neurons is lol

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Bloody posted:

these things are all loving stupid and completely useless in reality hth

you know it's not actually meant to try to simulate a mind, right

are you some sort of person who thinks we should stop spending money on science and start spending it on f-35s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiking_neural_network

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

god bless the f-35

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
train a neural network to shitpost

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

eschaton posted:

train a neural network to shitpost

i'm convinced that we have several of those operating right now under various usernames

remember the toribot?

N.Z.'s Champion
Jun 8, 2003

Yam Slacker

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

use nodejs if you really want to be close to the neurons

yeah we can simulate brains in nodejs

https://www.npmjs.com/package/no-op

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

the citation on this is dubious and only represents one flop per synapse in the average human brain and ignore internal neuronal processes and catecholamines which is an incredibly simplistic view of how brains work hth op

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
also lol @ the idea that a brain can even exist without a body. like half the neurons in a person aren't even in your skull, lol, just lol @ futurist idiots

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

hmm, cool

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

atomicthumbs posted:

you know it's not actually meant to try to simulate a mind, right

are you some sort of person who thinks we should stop spending money on science and start spending it on f-35s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiking_neural_network

ya I worked on a hardware impl of these for a while. they're stupid and useless

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
youve been here long enough to know we dont sign our posts

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