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Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


T͔͚̗͚̊̂̾͛ͯh̩̹̙̄̀̍͑̌ḯ̝̘̪̲̲͓̇̓ͨ͐ͥ̂s͈̭̲̺̩̜̔ͅ ͮ̔ͯí͕ͣ̽̒ͭͥ̋s̝̻͓̿̔̓ ̞̳̩̼ͦͅt̩̥͖̬̓ͪ̋ͫ͌̅h͍̤̥͉̎e͇̘̻̖̲͇̗̿̄ͦ̆ͧ̅̎ ̬̺͍̜̼̦̉ͬw̲̳͒̽̄̒͊̚a̱̠͋̈́ͪͥ̌t͇̲̣̆̈́̅̋ͅẽ͑̾r͈̞͚̭̖͐ͧ̒̇ͣ͊ͩ.͕̠̙̥̺̞͚͐ ̗ͮ̽A͚͎͈̽̑ͬͅn̙̻̗͖̖̒̃̽̓̅̇d̫͙̰̗͎ͅ ̜̲̟ͩ͑̑ͪ̈́ͨ͂ẗ͎ͧ͗͌ḧ̠͚̙́͑ͪi͖̗̘͍̲̮̝ͮ̎͋ͥͤ̃š̬ ̝̦̳̯̣ͥͤ̌i̝ͥ͑s̖̥̹̪ ͈̰ͣͨ̋̄̃̆̒ṯ̩̞̩̤̄̉̓h̼̺̬͎ȇ̲͔̹̘͈̙̆̅̎̆͌͂ ̣̰͚͍͌ͮ̈́w̫̟͔̲̪̙̌̇̾̇èͩ̇l̔̆̾ͤl̬͎̞͙̳̞̆̅͛͌̒̔̔.̈́̆͆̿ͫ̉̾ ͖ͧ͐ͦ̽̆ͭͭĎ̠͙̲̊ͨͨr͚̲̊̒͗̈́i͔̎̂̎̿ǹ͎̲̱k̳ͬ̋̊̀͆ ̽ͦͤ̑f͂̌ȗͮ̌l͖̜̙̿̅̈́̃̆͆͆l͙̖̬͎̩̔͐͌̎ͨ͐ͨ ͖̦ḁ̣̏nͨ̾̍d̯̰͉̆̇ͥ ̟͕͖̥̒͆d͍̂̃ͣ͛̌͐e̺̖̗̦̹͇̐ͨ̓͛̅̚s̻̜̓ͪ́͑c͔̯͕̖͔͗̔̚e̤̝͓͌̑͂ͯ̓̑n̜͂͂d͈̙̟̞̻͕̮͌ͩ͑͊ͯ.̗̗̠̺̞̪͛̒ͬ̅̀ ̠̔T̝̠̱̮ͬ̀͋̿̐ͤh͕̳̺̩͖ẽ̗͕̫̖̗̝̟ͯ͌ͫ ͇͖̰͇ͬ̋̑ͨ̒̚h͈̱̲̗̳ͧ̍ͫ̓̑͂̚o̟̞ͬͤr̳̿ͬ̽͂͋́s̠̳̺͚ͫ̉̄ͧͧ̄ẹ̗̬̳͌͋͂ͤ ̘i̮̘̝̫͙̠̤̾ͨ͆ͧͬs͖ ͉͖t̬͂̽̇ḫ̜̻ě͖͓̓ ̮̯̰̣ͫ̅̓w̏͂̈̽ͭ̂ͬḥ̹̹̳̜͙͔ͤi͇̘̮̻̲ͭt͈͙̭̦ͪ͆̃̿ͅe͕̩̋͋͗̂͆̐ ͎̅̐͛o͔͎̞ͥfͤ̾̅̆ͮ̚ ̞̦̓̎ͅt͔̖͇̖́̓̽̓h͉̥͙̹̬̗̿eͣ̍̓ͪ͆̀ ̝͈̖̪̏̑ͧë̌ͨy̜͔̰̏̄̓̄e̻͔͓̙͖͊̀̋̿̓̎ ̹̻̘̬a̲̘̥n̳͖͓̅ͨ͗d͇̥̪͔̜̯͓ͥͨͯ̑ͦ͑͒ ̗̞͔͕̈d͍̞ͣ͛̄͆̽͂̚ȧ͋̎̃ͫ̎r̜͚͗̋k͒̇̍̑ͦ̚ ̹͙͌ͥͣͦͥw̮̪̹̲̪̻̐͊ͮ̐̆̄ͭͅi̻͙̼ͧ̎ͩ̍̄̓͗t̤̦͕̯͓̂̅h̙̜̠͔̟͑͊̐̏i͕̹ͯ̌ͭͨ͐̌n͉̤̓͋ͬ̋ͣ.͈̍̎̑̎ͪ̂



Previous thread that spans 8 years of Twin Peaks discussion.

Modrasone posted:

Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that.

RandallODim posted:

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. ITíS TWIN PEAKS AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, COOPER. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME COFFEE OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE BLACK LODGE. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE LINES AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 34 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNIng

OB_Juan posted:

From facebook:





26 years after the end of the original run of David Lynch & Mark Frost's groundbreaking TV series Twin Peaks, the show returns for an 18-episode "limited series" on Showtime. While Lynch only directed 6 of the 30 episodes of the original series, Lynch directed all 18 episodes of this new season. The Showtime CEO described Season 3 as "the pure heroin version of David Lynch".

Do not start watching Season 3 until you've seen all of the original series, Fire Walk With Me and The Missing Pieces. Otherwise you'll be totally lost. It also helps to familiarize yourself with Lynch's film work like Mulholland Drive, Lost Highway, Inland Empire, etc. Season 3 is for Lynch diehards and shares themes/actors with his other films, so you'll be much more in the loop if you've seen those movies first before watching this season.

Also, you're probably going to want to be caught up with the show before jumping into this thread, as there are spoilers on just about every single page.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2JrgmwWAF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO_G1UP5rXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0

Clues The GiantFireman leaves in Season 3 Episode 1:

FauxLeather posted:

Every line he said could be important, so from the start he said:

"Listen to the sounds"
"It is in our house now"
"It all cannot be said aloud now"
"Remember 430"
"Richard and Linda"
"Two birds with one stone"
"You are far away"
Songs that play in The Bang Bang Bar/Roadhouse:
Episode 2 - Chromatics - Shadow
Episode 3 - The Cactus Blossoms - Mississippi
Episode 4 - Au Revoir Simone - Lark
Episode 5 - Trouble - Snake Eyes
Episode 6 - Sharon Van Etten - Tarifa
Episode 8 - Nine Inch Nails - She's Gone Away
Episode 9 - Au Revoir Simone - A Violent Yet Flammable World
Episode 10 - Rebekah Del Rio - No Stars
Episode 12 - Chromatics - Saturday
Episode 13 - James Hurley - Just You
Episode 14 - Lissie - Wild West
Episode 15 - The Veils - Axolotl

Rageaholic Monkey fucked around with this message at Aug 21, 2017 around 00:56

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RedneckwithGuns
Mar 28, 2007

Up Next:
Fifteen Inches of
SHEER DYNAMITE



Given the whole Rachel Dolezal situation recently I think we're ripe for a return of OG trans-racial representation Mr. Tojamura.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


RedneckwithGuns posted:

Given the whole Rachel Dolezal situation recently I think we're ripe for a return of OG trans-racial representation Mr. Tojamura.


God, that part was so hard to get through. That accent Hahaha

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


Also this is topical: Flying Lotus remixed the Twin Peaks theme recently, though personally I find it pretty boring and it sounds like a remix that anyone could do. There are any number of piano/guitar covers of the theme song on YouTube that are more interesting to me than this.

The Unlife Aquatic
Jun 17, 2009

Improvement makes straight roads; but the crooked roads without improvement are roads of genius.

Good thread, I'm sure we'll be here for the next 25 years.

Actual Content: I don't think Laura Dern is going to play Diane. In my mind it's more likely Tamara Preston.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



The Unlife Aquatic posted:

More likely, it's Tamara Preston.
Possibly, though it's also possible Preston's story will be left to whatever Frost's second book will end up being.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

I recently finished watching the original series and was about to post in the other thread when I saw you put this thread up. The show has certainly been an experience, for good and ill. I am definitely not looking forward to seeing James in the revival. I'm planning to watch the movie next and don't know what the missing pieces are. I can also say that I finally understand what that Black Lodge game was about, and the influence this show had on Deadly Premonition.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



Mraagvpeine posted:

I recently finished watching the original series and was about to post in the other thread when I saw you put this thread up. The show has certainly been an experience, for good and ill. I am definitely not looking forward to seeing James in the revival. I'm planning to watch the movie next and don't know what the missing pieces are. I can also say that I finally understand what that Black Lodge game was about.
"The Missing Pieces" are deleted scenes from FWWM that weren't ever released until Lynch loosely edited them into a feature for the blu ray set a few years ago. If you're going to watch it, do so after FWWM.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


Mraagvpeine posted:

I am definitely not looking forward to seeing James in the revival.
I can't wait to see his forehead !

Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


So what's the spoiler policy gonna be for this thread? Black out all spoilers for the old seasons until the new premiere?

Also am I the only one who always thought that there never really was a black lodge or white lodge, only the red room area that encompassed both? Hence the black and white interlocking zig-zags on the floor. This would fit a major theme in the show and all of Lynch's work, that the good and bad sides of life are inseparable and constantly intermingling.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



Lord Krangdar posted:

So what's the spoiler policy gonna be for this thread? Black out all spoilers for the old seasons until the new premiere?

Also am I the only one who always thought that there never really was a black lodge or white lodge, only the red room area that encompassed both? Hence the black and white interlocking zig-zags on the floor. This would fit a major theme in the show and all of Lynch's work, that the good and bad sides of life are inseparable and constantly intermingling.
I always figured the Red Room and the Black Lodge are one in the same, but I'm not entirely convinced the White Lodge was ever directly depicted in the show.

Maybe the final shots of FWWM with Laura and Cooper are brief glimpses of them entering the White Lodge, but frankly that raises way more questions than it answers.

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Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

Remember that fear and love are the keys and that they can warp a person's perception. Now that I think about it, Albert was probably right in following his path.

Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


Raxivace posted:

I always figured the Red Room and the Black Lodge are one in the same, but I'm not entirely convinced the White Lodge was ever directly depicted in the show.

Maybe the final shots of FWWM with Laura and Cooper are the brief glimpses of them entering the White Lodge, but frankly that raises way more questions than it answers.


Yeah, I'm not sure how to fit that scene with anything else either. Its a scene that is emotionally striking but defiant to interpretation.

Also anyone know if Lynch or Frost are big fans of William Burroughs? Because a lot of the mythology of the show reminds me so much of Burroughs' work after Naked Lunch, and the recent book seemed to solidify that even more.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


Is there a consensus we can come to as to when FWWM takes place? Is it a prequel to the original series or does it take place during an alternate timeline?

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Is there a consensus we can come to as to when FWWM takes place? Is it a prequel to the original series or does it take place during an alternate timeline?
I dunno. The novel might imply it actually is some form of alternate timeline, unless Frost just majorly goofed up on multiple points of continuity.

If there is some timeline shenanigans, Laura writing about Cooper in her diary (If she did so) might have actually changed how events played out (Though that doesn't explain all of the continuity errors in the book that take place before the time of the series).

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Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


Since time-travel was introduced in FWWM who knows, but I'm guessing the new season isn't going to be an alternate timeline as much as its going to just be whatever Lynch and Frost want to do wtihout regard for previous canon or continuity. Without in-show explanations for the retcons, like the Star Trek reboot did or whatever.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


I started watching Twin Peaks for the first time properly just recently. I'm an episode away from the end of season 1 and am really liking it, then I saw that season 2 is 20+ episodes and according to the OP the middle third are "mad sketchy" so I doubt I'm gonna get through them in a rush

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

I rewatched the series recently, for me the whole thing is entertaining. It's definitely a different thing for those middle episodes of season 2, less Lynchian, but I still enjoy the wackiness and overall it's very watchable for me. Agreed the green stuff on the chart there is way better though, and the show ends really really strong with a Lynch directed ep.

Can't wait for the new stuff this Sunday, it looks so drat good. Been waiting years for some new Lynch, and it being Twin Peaks is pretty sweet too.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


Jerusalem posted:

I started watching Twin Peaks for the first time properly just recently. I'm an episode away from the end of season 1 and am really liking it, then I saw that season 2 is 20+ episodes and according to the OP the middle third are "mad sketchy" so I doubt I'm gonna get through them in a rush
If you treat Season 2 as close to the same length as Season 1, you'll be fine. The main plotline gets wrapped up in like the first third of the season, so after you finish with that, just skip to the finale. You'll be bypassing a lot of really terrible subplots and getting some closure at the end of the series ( just kidding ).

Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


But then you miss out on Josie's fate

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



Lord Krangdar posted:

But then you miss out on Josie's fate
And you know, the context behind the entire plot of the finale. And also some important bits of FWWM.

Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


Personally I think Windom Earle is a much more interesting character before he is actually shown on screen. Skip that part and you can just imagine something better.

(Really though the whole show is worth watching at least once).

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Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


Lord Krangdar posted:

But then you miss out on Josie's fate
Being trapped inside a doorknob ?

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Your mileage will vary, but if you find it doable I'd give three or four of those red episodes a try to see. For me it did have a lull right after the green area there ends, but it bounced back I found. Overall a dip in quality for one of the top TV shows ever is still some worthwhile TV.

And I wouldn't want to miss any Michael Parks, David Warner, hell, some quality Billy Zane...

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


For me, I noticed a dramatic dip in quality after the green zone ends that it doesn't really recover from until the end. I watched it because I'm a completionist, and there are some moments in there that are so stupid they're fun, but I absolutely would not call most of it necessary, even if you're a fan of the the first season/first third of the second season.

Like the guide says, every episode gives clues to the mythos of the series, but I'd say you're better off watching a Season 2 recap video on YouTube or something to get a summary of those clues than actually watching dull episode after dull episode after dull episode.

Something like this, though obviously only watch it if you've watched the good parts of Season 2 and you're sure you don't want to watch all the bad episodes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tr3lyH41fM

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cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

It's just so good!


Yeah, but if you skip Earle, you skip... this.

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

Honestly, though,
you have played the game for a long time.

Don't you have anything else to do with your time?


cptn_dr posted:

Yeah, but if you skip Earle, you skip... this.
That was one of those moments that I'd completely forgotten from my first watch of the series, and when I was watching it all last week, I belly laughed at it because it's so loving ridiculous

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."


Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Is there a consensus we can come to as to when FWWM takes place? Is it a prequel to the original series or does it take place during an alternate timeline?

Huh?

Stato-Masochist
Aug 22, 2010

The ass of liberty must be punished from time to time with the whips of statists and an-caps. It is its natural fetish.

Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
Yes! Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
If the words sound queer
and funny to your ear,
a little bit jumbled and jivey
Sing "Mares eat oats
and does eat oats
and little lambs eat ivy


I'm back! Back and ready!

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



The correct order to view Twin Peaks in is actually Blue Velvet > Fire Walk With Me > The International Version of the Pilot > Any given Let's Play of Silent Hill 2 > Deadly Premonition (Xbox 360 version) > Eraserhead > Inland Empire

This will provide the best viewing experience IMO.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


Any excuse to watch Blue Velvet again is fine by me vv

Stato-Masochist
Aug 22, 2010

The ass of liberty must be punished from time to time with the whips of statists and an-caps. It is its natural fetish.

Raxivace posted:

The correct order to view Twin Peaks in is actually Blue Velvet > Fire Walk With Me > The International Version of the Pilot > Any given Let's Play of Silent Hill 2 > Deadly Premonition (Xbox 360 version) > Eraserhead > Inland Empire

This will provide the best viewing experience IMO.

Wow, this is such a dumb troll. Lost Highway is obviously the penultimate viewing, and then you watch Island Empire. Are you trying to get people confused or....what?

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Jerusalem posted:

Any excuse to watch Blue Velvet again is fine by me vv

Plus it's an excuse to see Dean Stockwell in his prime!


Stato-Masochist posted:

Lost Highway is obviously the penultimate viewing, and then you watch Island Empire. Are you trying to get people confused or....what?

Very true, and I love that Balthazar Getty is on the new Twin Peaks cast list too. Plus Naomi Watts and whatnot of course, it's gonna be a David Lynch party.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



Stato-Masochist posted:

Wow, this is such a dumb troll. Lost Highway is obviously the penultimate viewing, and then you watch Island Empire. Are you trying to get people confused or....what?
I dunno, the movie is just a bunch of sex scenes and who wants to watch that?

The Unlife Aquatic
Jun 17, 2009

Improvement makes straight roads; but the crooked roads without improvement are roads of genius.

Raxivace posted:

The correct order to view Twin Peaks in is actually Blue Velvet > Fire Walk With Me > The International Version of the Pilot > Any given Let's Play of Silent Hill 2 > Deadly Premonition (Xbox 360 version) > Eraserhead > Inland Empire

This will provide the best viewing experience IMO.

Seems legit.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Raxivace posted:

I dunno, the movie is just a bunch of sex scenes and who wants to watch that?

Watching the likes of Robert Loggia and Gary Busey in great roles is more spiritual than sexual for me, but maybe both!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


Heavy Metal posted:

Plus it's an excuse to see Dean Stockwell in his prime!

Stockwell just sitting in a room with some fat chicks then remarking,"Oh. Frank's here." gets me every time.

"Here's to your gently caress "

Stato-Masochist
Aug 22, 2010

The ass of liberty must be punished from time to time with the whips of statists and an-caps. It is its natural fetish.

Raxivace posted:

I dunno, the movie is just a bunch of sex scenes and who wants to watch that?

I'm Robert Loggia, and you're the tailgater

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7lXV9b88

Stato-Masochist
Aug 22, 2010

The ass of liberty must be punished from time to time with the whips of statists and an-caps. It is its natural fetish.

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Is there a consensus we can come to as to when FWWM takes place? Is it a prequel to the original series or does it take place during an alternate timeline?

My understanding is that events in the lodge exist outside of linear time. So, what's happening there can be referenced at anytime in the 'real world' narrative, because it's a different realm with different rules.

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Boomerang Arrow. It comes back to you in the end. Boomerang respect it.


Stato-Masochist posted:

My understanding is that events in the lodge exist outside of linear time. So, what's happening there can be referenced at anytime in the 'real world' narrative, because it's a different realm with different rules.

Which is confirmed in missing pieces with Annie saying her line about Dale while in the hospital bed after the finale

And since they are the best characters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmbG7CfFsmE

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