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Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



It's possible he changed his mind but he wrote, shot and edited those scenes together for a reason only for the studio to tell him no.

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Zat
Jan 15, 2008

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS


Alan_Shore posted:

It's possible he changed his mind but he wrote, shot and edited those scenes together for a reason only for the studio to tell him no.

Pretty sure he knew of the 2-hour (plus a bit) limit all along, and cut the movie the way he wanted within that constraint. Meanwhile, the fanedit is based on the shooting script which Lynch must have known to contain stuff that would and should never be in the final movie.

And yet, it's a terrific thing that they eventually released those extra bits as The Missing Pieces, and the fanedit is super neat, too.

edit: Here's a Lynch quote from Wikipedia:

quote:

"I had a limit on the running time of the picture. We shot many scenes that—for a regular feature—were too tangential to keep the main story progressing properly. We thought it might be good sometime to do a longer version with these other things in, because a lot of the characters that are missing in the finished movie had been filmed. They're part of the picture, they're just not necessary for the main story." According to Lynch, had the film included these scenes, it "wouldn't have been quite so dark. To me it obeyed the laws of Twin Peaks. But a little bit of the goofiness had to be removed."

Zat fucked around with this message at May 24, 2018 around 16:19

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004



That's a great quote, and actually supports the fan edit perfectly.

Borrowed Ladder
May 4, 2007

monarch of the sleeping marches

I fell like the extended lodge meeting scene from the missing pieces is one of the most important scenes in the entire mythology. AHNIMAL LOIF

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

"What do you fear
most in the world?"

"The possibility that
love is not enough."


Zat posted:

Yeah, I wouldn't really recommend the fanedit to be your first watch either, but I still like it. It turns the movie from a horror movie into something that feels very similar in tone to the original series' best episodes. But it does change the tone and pacing dramatically, which is really not how your first experience should be.

So yes, you should rather watch the original cut and then The Missing Pieces. And then, if you fancy a rewatch sooner or later, then the Q2 fanedit is not a bad choice.
I mean yeah, it changes the pacing, but I'd disagree that it stops it from being horrific. There's still plenty of horrifying scenes in the fan edit. It's not like the creator took away crucial scenes from the theatrical version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxH3O77uXIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogqah6gc9ww

sector_corrector
Jan 18, 2012


Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Gotta say, after rewatching the first 2 episodes, it's very evident that things are very wrong with this timeline from the get go. Just things that I may not have noticed on my first viewing.

Your approach to analyzing media, and please don't take this as an insult, is the approach of an idiot. I'm using "idiot" here in its traditional sense, rather than the one that you are most likely tempted to understand it by, which is, "one who is incapable of understanding essential premises of human life." Rather, here I'm using it to mean, "one who is incapable of understanding nuance in media."

Again, I think that you have a perfectly idiotic (see above) approach to understanding this show. This approach is one inculcated through approx. 10 years of LOST, which is the Puzzle Box.

The Puzzle Box is an approach that one gets primarily through commercials, which you seem to have apprehended expertly. It's a perfectly fine bougie approach to media, and TV especially.

Consumption of media becomes a way to prove one's marginal worth in a harsh capitalist society! Nice! Nice work, in figuring out the discrete series of symbols that will allow you extract tens of dollars from analyzing the show on The Onion Dot Com. I'm glad that you've finally found your niche. I'd love [audible, heartly but diseased laughter] to hear more about your "unique" approach to David Lynch's magnum opus.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."




I’m assuming we all know better than to rise to a sector_corrector post by now, right? ok good

Zat
Jan 15, 2008

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS


Rageaholic Monkey posted:

I mean yeah, it changes the pacing, but I'd disagree that it stops it from being horrific. There's still plenty of horrifying scenes in the fan edit. It's not like the creator took away crucial scenes from the theatrical version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxH3O77uXIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogqah6gc9ww

Oh, no doubt. AFAIK, the fanedit doesn't remove anything, and I didn't mean to say there's not horrific stuff even in some of the added scenes. It's just that sprinkling the movie with lighter, comedic scenes throughout, it basically changes it from being a constantly distressing, difficult-to-watch pain trip into whatever Twin Peaks usually is (though still a bit more intense).

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Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

"What do you fear
most in the world?"

"The possibility that
love is not enough."


sector_corrector posted:

Your approach to analyzing media, and please don't take this as an insult, is the approach of an idiot. I'm using "idiot" here in its traditional sense, rather than the one that you are most likely tempted to understand it by, which is, "one who is incapable of understanding essential premises of human life." Rather, here I'm using it to mean, "one who is incapable of understanding nuance in media."

Again, I think that you have a perfectly idiotic (see above) approach to understanding this show. This approach is one inculcated through approx. 10 years of LOST, which is the Puzzle Box.

The Puzzle Box is an approach that one gets primarily through commercials, which you seem to have apprehended expertly. It's a perfectly fine bougie approach to media, and TV especially.

Consumption of media becomes a way to prove one's marginal worth in a harsh capitalist society! Nice! Nice work, in figuring out the discrete series of symbols that will allow you extract tens of dollars from analyzing the show on The Onion Dot Com. I'm glad that you've finally found your niche. I'd love [audible, heartly but diseased laughter] to hear more about your "unique" approach to David Lynch's magnum opus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1zBz8mYVGg

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.

Dinosaur Gum

The fan edit is good because of the lumber scene and is worth it for that

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004



I really love having the whole complete Adventures of Agents Chet Desmond and Sam Stanley - he's the man who cracked the Whitman case.

I'd seriously have watched an entire spinoff film (or TV series for that matter) starring those two.

mary had a little clam
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...


Young Orc

With a year of reflection behind me, I can now say that for as much as I adored TPs3, I don't think there ought to be a S4. As much as I want to just bask in the weird world, S3 was such a singular event that won't ever be repeated, it was pulled off close to perfectly, and it's a pretty poignant bookend to S1. Anything more would risk oversaturation I think.

Now, I would be interested in maaaaybe a 2 hr Fire Walk With Me-style closer film, especially if it gave nice send-offs to Josie, Harry Truman, Audrey, Gordon, etc... but I don't really need mere fan-service (and Lynch and Frost obviously don't mind denying fans what they want). I mean, I'm sure whatever project Lynch/Frost would commit to in the future wouldn't be something they don't believe in, I just think that there's a lot of important emotions and themes that really pop if S3 is all there is. "You can't go home again..." and all that


edit: But agreed, Chet and Pals Solve Crimes would be a fun spinoff!!

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."




Ok I just made sure I had enough weed to get me through a rewatch it’s time to rewatch

Legin Noslen
Sep 9, 2004
Fortified with Rhiboflavin

Escobarbarian posted:

I’m assuming we all know better than to rise to a sector_corrector post by now, right? ok good

Whats the worst that could happen? More weakass, longwinded posting?

Hey sector_corrector, gently caress YOU!

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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."




I really quickly wanna go back to memories of watching the first episode of The Return when it premiered. I remember the first several minutes were cool and interesting to me but I wasn’t totally hooked yet and then that loving Muddy Magnolias remix came on over a classic Lynch headlights at night shot and it was amazing and then gently caress IT’S THE DOPPELGÄNGER OH MY GOD HE’S BEEN RUNNING AROUND FREE FOR OVER TWO DECADES OH poo poo. It was such an incredible moment of TV for me.

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