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Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Same. I remember seeing a bit about Twin Peaks on some culture review show here in the UK when I was 14 and thinking, "that sounds interesting". The show blew my little teenage mind. Up til then all the art I'd seen was trying to be a popular and that was that. Every song in the charts wanted to be number one, every film wanted to be the next Star Wars, every TV show wanted to top the ratings. Twin Peaks was the first thing I saw that was expressive and seemed to talk about human emotion. What gets lost with the years is exactly what the impact of the pilot was and why. The first half hour give or take focuses on the grief of family and friends and whoever else after this murder. That part of it has been forgotten about, and probably doesn't even register with younger viewers who've gone back to it as TV has grown up a lot since. The show is focused mostly on good, honest people trying to cope with horrible things. I've just finished a re-watch and it's really striking how there are very few "evil" characters, and even some of them are either redeemed or given a plausible reason for acting the way they do. Even Jean Renault gives a thoughtful speech about why he is like he is, even Ben Horne repents in his own way.

That said, then was then and now is now. I'm hoping Mark Frost works in some sort of parody or homage to current TV just like the original did and we get riffs on the whole post-HBO era of TV. There's been a little bit of leakage from the premiere and it sounds like it's going to be fun and scary and might just hark back to other Lynch stuff other than the original series, which sounds great. I'm just stupidly hyped and amazed this is happening again.

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Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I like it. It's a thing I watched that made me feel a large array of emotions and made me think really expansive thoughts. I was getting a bit worried during the first hour but the subsequent hours were really good. The third one was really nice.

I liked how I had built up this thing in my mind based on nostalgia and then went through a period of a few weeks where a bunch of disparate stuff purposefully fueled that nostalgia, leading me to be in an elevated mood state when the thing finally happened and I could watch it. This was a good period of my life, albeit one that I may not remember for a long time but was far better than the fortnight I had six weeks ago when I accidentally fell through a glass door whilst holding my cat, who now is a vastly different animal.

The Red Room room scenes where uncomfortable at first as adding on top of a mythology which has a Facebook group that does memes with it seems like it's treading too heavy on stuff that people are really into, but I think there will be new memes and that will make a lot of people happy for really succinct periods of time. I liked how Madchen Amick said stuff about how James was amazing because nobody said he was amazing in the original series apart from Donna who had problems with real life actresses and then injected silly putty into her lips and got her tits out in really stupid films about cornflakes. People don't like her and I can see why.

Psycho Dale Cooper is a really weird concept for me to get my head around but that's fine as we couldn't just be chasing after BOB in TYOOL 2017 because he genuinely died from AIDS complications. I liked the bit with the spade spraying and holy poo poo I hope that box in New York gets its own spinoff series like Better Call Saul.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Twin Peaks is absolutely not one of those shows where you can just jump into season 3 and hope to have any idea of what's going on. Hell, even people who have seen the entire original series, Fire Walk With Me and The Missing Pieces (basically everything you can see) have barely any idea what's going on.

I'd dispute that, the second bit. This new series seems pretty straight forward in how it's characters act, it's just the premise that's completely out there. But I don't think it's that out-there that it's inscrutable. Yes the places beyond time and space inhabited by unimaginable beings are a bit crazy, but that's the nature of the beast. Some of the scenes are slow and stilted but there's always a reason for the awkwardness, be it social inadequacy or just because it's a world of hosed up hitmen. The only thing that's been weird for the sake of it is the Michael Cera bit and maybe that was shoved in there for that reason, as a bit of contrast and self-parody. I didn't much like the other murder plot at first watch but on second it's really great. It's taking the reality of stuff that went on in the original series and putting it into a modern drama setting. There's nothing in the show that's weird for the sake of it, it's just a show about intelligent beings from another incomprehensible world interacting with our own and the consequences of that on people.

I think you can quite easily sum up the plot so far in less than a paragraph and have it make total sense, even if it's dealing with bizarre elements. Going into episode five I know who the characters are, what their motives are and what could possibly happen. It's The Idiot versus Iago in a battle to exist, or maybe reunite into a whole again, with a backdrop of the rest of the world trying to deal with their responsibility to that outrageous situation.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Rageaholic Monkey posted:

I mean you could give somebody a quick plot synopsis and have it make a little sense, but people who have not seen the totality of the series will absolutely not understand a lot of the ways the show works. It's hard to convey that to someone in text. You have to have seen enough of it for yourself to draw real conclusions from it.

Yeah i get you. I guess I think that if people are willing to accept that some bits are crazy supernatural weird rear end poo poo then everything else around it falls into place really well.

That's why I think him emerging first with a hooker and then going into a casino is great. Two places where nobody really care what you act like as long as you're spending money. Even his wife has a motive of being overjoyed that the money he's got can get them out of some situation. It reminds me a lot of the meta commentary in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas about how you can get away with anything in places like that as long as you're playing the game.

I'm hoping that our expectations get dashed on the rocks again and it turns out that the good Cooper we so wanted to see isn't the original at all, he's just as hosed up as his mirror image. A pure, stupid force for good that overcomes the odds every time via divine intervention. What are the consequences of that? What if there were two guys out there that were literally able to harness the power of good and evil? Who would want to control them? What could they do with them? Maybe the White Lodge and Black Lodge aren't what it's about, it's just that the Red Room and the other places connected to it are means by which this can happen, that they could produce a God of Dark and a God of Light and have them loose on the world. Maybe the Lodges never existed and all of the folklore and conspiracy theories going back to the year dot were just a theory that this is possible. Tremendous forces that we can't understand exist and maybe that means that pure good and pure evil aren't just concepts, they're things that could literally exist. Maybe that's what is happening.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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kaworu posted:

Major Briggs showing up in the hallucination and it being makes me think of the Deep Space transmissions that Major Briggs shared with Cooper in the season 2 premiere. Could these "deep space transmissions" ultimately be coming from the Purple Room, in some way?

I'm half thinking that it is actually a Project Bluebook satellite. It has a bunch of 20th century looking technology in it, a blue rose and it literally transmits something back to earth.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Interesting thing to re-watch for all of you fellow folk - Gordon says in his wonderful scene with Albert that he didn't like Coppers greeting. If you re-watch that Cooper actually says "It's yrev very good to see you old friend", i.e. he speaks backwards for a moment. Listen to the sounds indeed.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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SlipkPIe posted:

Oh god, this does seem like a real possibility. It would be incredibly disturbing, which means it's probably likely

I've seen this theory a lot over the last few days and its nice to know that Twin Peaks internet discussion is still thinly veiled Audrey Horne rape fantasies after all these years. Oh no hang on it makes me want to chew my wrists.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Nah, not stuff that's said here but on the other discussions I've seen around the net, not here. I was reading some board or other and the conversation went from "maybe this Richard is Audrey's son" to "well she would have been in the hospital after the bomb in the bank and security seemed pretty lapse" in about 5 posts and stayed on that theme to that point where you start using the page down key rather than the scroll wheel.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I hope it's neither. Audrey's one character I feel was wrapped up pretty well in the original run. Fell in love with the Agent, went too far, got knocked back gently and found love elsewhere. The only remaining resolution with her character is whether she is alive and the book gave us that one. Her name was thrown around a lot as the possible owner of the big New York camera box thing and I don't really like that idea either, I'd rather see some other character introduced to widen the scope of the story. I'd like there to be more people interested / aware of the Lodges and whatnot than just people from the original run.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Fados posted:

The obverse of this are the also endless discussions about how Tamara's characer is just a patriarchal indulgence from Lynch

I've been trying to compose my thoughts on this for a few minutes now and it occurred to me that this is coming from a thing that's based on the character of Laura Palmer, probably the most intimate and intricate exploration of an individual sexuality that's ever been put on screen. And I laughed. I think Lynch has always been good at presenting a deeper and more real take on sexuality than other media usually provides and Twin Peaks did a lot in the original run to parody and mock the TV norm of beautiful people in dramatic situations. I like how Lynch can include boneheaded male rear end gazers and proclaim "fix your heart or die" about a transgender character in another scene. It's almost like these characters are supposed to be people.

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Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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What I mean is that these small details are there in abundance and it's fun to look for them, but they're not meant to give and definitive answers about anything, they're more about building a momentum of symbolism.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I think this season is more about the random and cruel shadow of death, rather than rape. Which in many ways makes it more cheery. It's certainly more cheery than Fire Walk with Me the movie film as that was totally rapesville and this is just driving a truck into kids somewhere on the outskirts of rapesville at the moment, which is better.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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It was Cooper's fault. All of this. Every bit of it. Even the Truman's wife. Her speeches? Coopers fault. Lucy falling backwards off a chair? Coopers fault. Cooper could have swanned into town, demanded a shitload of semen samples and found out it was dad. loving rock throwing autist. Ooooh look at me I think coffee and pie are really good and let me try and bone this suicidal nun even though people shoot at me (to kill) every other week, that'll turn out well for her especially as my ex-partner who is literally a gnats nut away from opening a door to hell is out to get me. Little bitch couldn't even play his own chess game even though i'm sure the FBI mainframe could run stockfish in tyool 1990.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I've been rewatching the episodes keeping a good eye out for the symbolisms and I think what happens to the young couple watching The Box is a metaphor for what Bdoopage did to Audrey and Annie with his dick.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Franchescanado posted:

Ripped their faces to shreds?

Well if you look into the Ruth Davenport stuff she was actually having an affair with that Scooby Doo dude, and she's found with an eye missing that quite honestly looks like it was hosed out at some point. Plus the scene with the Box happens during a sex act so it's kind of a sexual assault. The clues are all there if you look for them hard enough.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Think of it like you're pushing a cart in the supermarket. In one instance you think you're shopping normally but in actual fact you're sat in the body of the cart staring at the pretty lights above while this other person pushes the cart around knocking over pyramids of soup cans and smashing into the legs of your daughter. That's Leland. In Bdoopermancer's instance he's in full rational control of the shopping cart and BOB is simply sat in that fold out chair bit that's made for kids going "weeeee let's go the garmonbozia aisle" and everyone's happy.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I like your idea except the dude just straight up walked into that place, it wasn't a dream, we didn't see him cosy down on that black oily poo poo in the middle of those sycamores with a comfy pillow and some sheets, dude walked right in. Windom and Annie walked in right before him and you saw the red curtains. I think you're interpretation of the symbolisms of the climax of the original run is spot on but despite Cooper first encountering it in a dream and Sarah Palmer seeing poo poo from there in a dream and Laura being fuzzy about the existence of a being from there I think the show is actually about how that place is real and the consequences of that. It's not Mullholland Drive, it's Twin Peaks. You can tell this by how the DVD cases have different cover art.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I re-watched 5 and 6 today and they were really great and I didn't care a little bit about any symbolisms but they made me feel great because I watched them on a big rear end screen with a pumping sound system.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Amazing stuff. Some thoughts

- Mother definitely looks like Bdonger's playing card that he "wants"
- Mother's arms definitely "bend back"
- The record player had stopped when the Giant says "Listen to the sounds" in episode one. This episode shows there's always music in the air in the Giants house.
- Maybe Laura hosed up her ending in FWWM as much as Coop did in the original series by not getting possessed by BOB so he could be captured and neutered or killed.
- I have a cigarette lighter with me at all times so I think I'm pretty much safe from any Woodsmen
- She eated it. Ewwww. I hope she's ok.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Data Graham posted:

After all the negotiations between Lynch and Showtime and all the on-again-off-again rumors about budget and runtime and creative control and Showtime finally giving in to all of Lynch's demands, I would fuckin love to know what it was like in the room when he said OH YEAH BY THE WAY IN EPISODE EIGHT WE'RE GONNA HIRE NINE INCH NAILS. FOR A SCENE LINK

I'd like to think he just said "fine, I won't direct, I'm sure whichever guy you get will be great, especially if they've got a couple of episodes of NCIS under their belt. Now just promise me they'll do a good job of the bit where mother extends her infinite birth tube towards the inside of the nuclear explosion"

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Oh boy another insanely brutally problematic episode of Twin Peaks : The Return. A return to what? 1950's values? haha. So of course the female non-corporeal being from a place outside of time space and logic gets to sit passively listening to technology and it is up to her brutish husband to operate the machinery. Too much for a woman I guess. And then of course he's the one that levitates in the theatre to produce a gold angel baby, lest we forget conception is the sole right of men. And what do we get from the woman? Mewling and wonder at the amazing shiny thing her superior has created. Oh wow he must be such an amazing entity because he can climb some steps whereas I can't even get a desk by the window after working here for five years and only getting the occasional formal warning for screaming.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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The Merkinman posted:

But I know, I know, Lynch can do no wrong, fix your heart or die :rolleyes:

I'm a big David Lynch fan and Twin Peaks fan, and I firmly believe that David Lynch can do a lot of wrong. He can do stuff that outright sucks. He can do stuff that is outright cringe worthy and really painful to watch. I think he's a bit of a dork. I think he's an over-privileged fop who is as derivative as he's predictable. But that's why I like him. Most media these days falls into two categories. One, win me awards. Two, make me a lot of money. Lynch isn't either of those and that's why me and a lot of other people like him. He's a bumbling fool making art because he got lucky and because he can and that's great, that's a great thing that is both rare and heart warming.

It's really nice that this brand new series of Twin Peaks : The Return exists because it's the kind of thing that shouldn't happen. Lynch's stuff is like that, it shouldn't be there. There shouldn't be a film about a dude going to see his dying brother on a tractor, there shouldn't be a three hour exploration of Laura Dern being scared and weird, there shouldn't be a prime time TV show that is this glorious lump of pudding. It defies the odds of a very stale and stable media environment that there's this overgrown child having fun in some part of it. That's what's great about it. That's what great about you not liking it. That's what's great about all of the stupid internet arguments about it. It's so silly and strange and wonderful that something like this exists. Yeah guys, let's have a meaningful critique about frogroach mouth girl and the inside of a bomb and doppelgangers and tree arm evolution thing and scooby doo and all of that. Yay! What's the alternative?

Twin Peaks : The Return on Showtime.tv owns the loving face off a baby seal and by merely arguing against it you're being a big meany who doesn't like cool poo poo and also you'd probably spend your life imprisoned in a concrete box by choice because the only way your dick can get hard is through existential certainty.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Because it's fuuuuuuuuun. It's nice to have something to watch that isn't like - "ooh I wonder what's going to happen next week, I bet Detective Handsome is going to have a showdown with Titsgirl and I bet that gun he got given by a character called Checkov will somehow be important".

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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JazzFlight posted:

God, I hope so.

I'm up in the air. I really like the dualcoop thing. Dualcoop is all about what we'd like ourselves to be, but we're not. The world (i.e. our inner shelves) are totally out of whack, in the real world that is, not in a tv programme. So the two Cooper's are really good at making me think about that and that as much as I'd like to be out there solving crimes and drinking coffee, in actual fact I don't do that. I stumble around uselessly with my hot wife and download prison schematics and place my hands on dudes heads and they die, but hey that's life but it's also a metaphor. Cooper was too good to be true and when it comes down to it I'm not even good enough to be false and this show expresses that in a way that I can relate to.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Loving this here video

https://www.facebook.com/TwinPeakonshowtime/videos/500412390298017/

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Just rewatching the last one, before this one airs. When the three wonderful cops interview Dougie's boss they end the conversation with "well I appreciate you coming down Bushnell" as if he's at the station. The look on Bushnell's face has had me in giggles for ten minutes now.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Ah I thought they were still at Dougie's office place. Still had some giggles.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

I am glad we are discussing the key points of this fictional television show here, like whether it qualifies as rape if you can't consent because your soul is split between reality and an alternate dimension and a copy of you, possessed by a killer demon, is preventing you from returning to this world.

Thing is Doobage went completely cyberninja when that hosed up dwarf got up in his poo poo, so I think he has at least some semblance of consent. Although thinking about it he did have the electric tree dude as a cheerleader for that, so maybe the scene would have been better if the Evolution of the Arm popped up out of the bedsheets near the end screaming "Aiiiiiiimmm fooooorrr herrrrrrrr tiiiiiiiiitttttz!"

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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This all begs a rather obvious question, what is the end to Twin Peaks? What is the final resolution that completes the story? The original TV series was a mess that was heavily compromised by the network and Lara Flynn Boyle and wasn't what was intended. It was supposed to be three series with the central mystery left unsolved. That didn't happen and I get a sense that that informs what this current thing is. To me that's the most interesting thing about it. For me Twin Peaks should have been something that was left alone as a sort of flawed masterpiece, a lucky hit that fell foul to the fickle nature of television. But no, it persisted with a film that span it out in an uncomfortable direction and now this that spins it out in another uncomfortable direction.

I kind of think that the experience of what happened to the original idea of Twin Peaks is a big influence on Lynch's work after it. Mulholland Drive, Lost Highway and Inland Empire are all stories that are told wrongly. They're all quite simple stories that are warped and obfuscated and sliced and diced and use that, use the massacring of narrative for effect.

There's two element to this new series, one is the plot plain and simple, and it's a logical and straightforward plot that picks up this thread of sense out of an antique cowturd and runs with it. But there's also this constant nagging irritation of the passage of time and of poor resolution in the original show. Cooper's hosed. Diane's a turncoat alcoholic. Margaret's dying. Harry's dying. Everything is wrong and what if its because the story never panned out how it should. That's quite artistically beautiful when you think about it and opens the door for some very interesting ideas of how this could resolve. I've read a few theories in the last few days that we could be seeing a non-reality, or at least a wayward reality that can be resolved back to Wholesome Twin Peaks drat Fine Cherry Pie somehow. Really though I'd like to see none of that come about and instead it be a show about how life never works out how you plan and sometimes poo poo just happens, but it's an interesting idea.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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If you weren't dancing around your room bellowing along with Just You like an English football hooligan you ain't got no soul.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Well I laughed, I cried. Amazing.

So for the finale double header we've got
- Defeat the doppelgänger
- What's inside Sarah Palmer?
- What's that sound in the Great Northern?
- Who is Linda?
- Who is Judy?
- What's the deal with Naido?

I'm quite impressed everything has come together so much. So we'll have Coop Classic, Laura Palmer, The Fireman, Zen Andy, The Cockney Glove Puncher, Carl Rodd, Hawk, Albert and Cole in a massive anime battle against the Doppelgänger, What's Eating Sarah Palmer, the Evolution of the Arm's Doppelgänger, BOB, Mother, The Frogmoth and Chad. A fitting finale.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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That list ain't no list worth a gently caress unless Constance is on it.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Thanks thread, been frying my brain with Tulpa Continuity and Logic Bullshit for an hour. Aaaaa. Aaaaaaaaaaaaa.

So Dougie and Diane 2 were made in the Room Above The Convenience Store but their Golden Dad Orbs returned to the Waiting Room and to Mike despite not being made there. Mike, it is inferred, knows how to make new Tulpas, probably from his time spent living in the Room Above The Convenience Store before he chopped his arm off. Dougie and Diane 2 are not the same in terms of Tupla quality and craftsmanship. Diane remembers her past life and Lodgey bollocks quite clearly just before she gets broked up into black smoke and egg things. Dougie doesn't. He seems a bit freaked out by the whole ordeal. A Dougie tulpa that was similar to the Diane tulpa would remember his pre-tulpa life as Special Agent Dale Cooper. The Fireman made a Laura Palmer orb, but I don't think he made the others as he seemed to be doing it to respond to the existence of Bob and the Convenience Store. So if Mike didn't and the Firemen didn't then maybe there's a really nasty orb making thing we've not seen yet. I doubt you just stroll up into these places and they have Orb machines. I think you need power and antique clothes. And a bell thing that might have David Bowie in it.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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The "Billy" Audrey is referencing is actually Billy Zane. Just like Monica Bellucci is actually Monica Bellucci. Now there's a can of worms.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I had the opposite reading! I was totally knotted during the long Cooper/Laura driving scenes. It slowly made me realise that everything was wrong and I found the conversation with Mrs. Tremond/Chalfont at the Palmer house unbearably horrible, never mind the little bit afterwards.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Art Alexakis posted:

As I've thought about it and refined my own thoughts about the ending, what I think is nice is that it reaffirms Laura's role in her story. Personally, I'm okay with Twin Peaks being done, but how humbling would it be to see a story where Laura saves Coop in some sense.

I kind of wanted that out of this season. Ouroboros stuff. Instead I got a snake eating my balls in those last few moments and then chewing, really deeply chewing. Gulping occasionally. Masticating. Strangely, in the entire time this snake has been enjoying my balls I've not once thought about my balls or what I'm going to do with them in the future. Is it future or is it past? As far as my balls are concerned that's not even a question as holy poo poo that snake owns them now with that scream and that line and the power going out and all of that poo poo. My balls are in the Black Lodge and I'm guess I just have to accept that and move on.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I had the idea after after the first two episodes that we'd see "the Evolution of BOB" at some point and that'd be a big scary moment for later on in the series.

Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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Hmmm. What if the very first shot of the season was the return? Maybe that's Richard there ready to return. "Agent Cooper" is the Fireman reminding him who he used to be. "Listen to the sounds" is reminding him of the sound of Laura being snatched away. "It is in our house now" is him saying Laura is returned. "It cannot be said aloud now", the timeline fuckery is over and must remain a sercret. "Remember 430", i.e. do you remember crossing that point of no return? "Richard and Linda", do you remember that Linda woman who dumped you after a night at a motel once upon a time? "Two Birds with One Stone", because it was two of you that crossed over, "You are far away", you've crossed back over.

Listen to Cooper's voice. It's more like Richard from the closing scenes. No FBI lapel either.

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Modrasone
Jul 27, 2008

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I think it's Mike on the phone to Caffiene-Free-Cooper as he wants to be with BOB again to neuter him. Then again, it could be, I dunno, Moe. Jeffries was a really good character in this, his strange non-answers in the last couple of episodes were the perfect setup for the end.

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