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JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

I just finished watching the super-duper 3 1/2 hour long fan-edit of FWWM (yes, I watched the original years ago, purists) and am about 100 pages into the secret history book. I am loving pumped for tonight, holy shiiiiiiiit.

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JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Koirhor posted:

That first 10 mins to episode 3 was just horrifying and amazing
That's about where I'm up to and all of the Dale Cooper in interdimensional hijinx stuff is amazing, it feels like some of the best weird point & click adventure games. Like when the electrical box/meter read a certain number before the switch was pulled and then the number lowered. I feel like he needs to keep trying to combine items in his inventory to solve puzzles, haha.

By the way, the first episode's NYC glass box climax was one of the scariest things I've seen in a long time.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Hmm... an internet commentator suggested this may be the spirit of the log-lady's dead husband? Maybe?
We have little clues about most of the mysteries, so I'd just mark it down as a very loose guess.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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The Berzerker posted:

John Ennis from Mr. Show is just sitting at a slot machine, I don't think he even had a line
Uhhhh, he had the best line!
HelllOOOOOOoooooo!
It was the inspiration for Coop to copy.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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1000 umbrellas posted:

Not hearing/reading anyone react to the deplorable CG and green screening except for some "that's so Lynch!" here and there. I disagree. Lynch's capacity for the surreal and even the exaggerated has always been upheld by strong, believable special effects, starting with the baby in Eraserhead and extending through some of the most violent scenes in his oeuvre. When Cooper is climbing the ladder to stand on that gray box, I couldn't not turn to my partner and ask "what are we watching?" Some of the visuals are like senior film school project level of bad, and I have a hard time believing between Showtime and Lynch that every green screened scene couldn't have been done better with more traditional effects.

And if it really is "so Lynch," I guess I don't like Lynch anymore?
I think what makes it work is that very low-quality effects are placed right next to great ones. That's what makes it unnerving to me. Like when (ep 3): Dougie falls apart in the Black Lodge chair, he becomes a 2D picture of a gold sphere that just kinda moves jerkily around the frame, but it's right next to a gross looking floating gray head thing.

Laura disappearing by just flying upwards in episode 2 was equally eerie.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Shoehead posted:

I was ok with the dodgy shots during the weirder parts, but I thought when the ghost was weedwhacking the Nanny kid and yer man it looked AWFUL. Plus later (Ep 3 or 4?) when they show a photo of their bodies it's some crappy photoshop job, which compared to the prop head and body in the bed really really stood out to me.

I mean this is a show that used to play super loud, inappropriate music during every second scene so I dunno if I should be bothered by it or not.
Whahhh? I loved the ghost slice-face death scene and the (ep 4)photo was totally messed up because it made their necks look like bloody pink stumps, like they weren't even human bodies anymore. It was hosed up.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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I'm getting a real kick out of analyzing the Secret History book for hints as to what the glass box monster was and what the big malevolent force above BOB might be.
The book makes mention of "mother" a few times, consistent with what implied was banging on the window in episode 3. There's also this cool/creepy account of Aleister Crowley trying to summon the "moonchild" and that the Roswell alien incident happened right after. I think we'll get more name drops of this mother entity as the season goes on.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Isn't the eeriness of the NYC shot due to it being HDR?
Also the odd "from below" angle of the shot leading to the building after the helicopter/drone angle.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Bad Coop also had some remnants of what definitely looked like corn kernels on his dish at the diner when he was meeting with his henchmen.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Ehhh, with the way this show deals with supernatural elements, it's easy enough to recast but give it a rational explanation like the Lodge's magic changed his body.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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TheMaestroso posted:

This suggests BOB is involved with DoppelCoop:



E:VVV Totally agree there.
BOB's totally gotta be in Shadow Cooper because the entity on the other end of the motel room mystery device line (the imposter Jeffries) said that Coop is going back into the lodge and that he (non-Jeffries) would get to be with BOB again.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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genericnick posted:

True about BOB. Did the Doppelarm appear at any point previously?
Well, you could possibly consider the show revealing that the statue in the hallway has always been the arm's doppelgänger, just laying dormant.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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kaworu posted:

Jumping back into the opening of Episode 3 for a moment....

I am almost absolutely certain (it is a little hard to tell with the jerky camera movements and the really weird lighting, but I am almost positive that *before* Cooper and Blind Girl step outside (where a flip is switched that causes both the lighting to revert to normal, the number and electrical socket to change, Ronette appears, etc)....

But, er, where was I? Well, before that level is pulled (which also reminds me of a slot level too, in a way) I am 99% positive there is *only* a lamp on the table nearby the electrical panel. But after Coop and the girl go up top, and the flip gets switched and Coop sees the ghostly image of Major Briggs say "Blue Rose" indistinctly - well, when Coop gets back down to speak to Ronette, there is now a small vase on the same table as the lamp, holding a Blue Rose. What I don't get is why it wasn't there before. I'm still just trying to little bits of understanding through this. Obviously 253 was a number the Giant told him, and that was also the time that elapsed on Ronette's watch right before the lamp switched and the electrical humming kicked in (probably meaning Dale could not go through the, er, AC/DC portal I suppose).
I think someone also pointed out that 315 is his room number on his Great Northern key and the numbers on the electrical socket were 15, then 3.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Kart Barfunkel posted:

For those of you who are all caught up, is The Missing Pieces actually coming up as relevant information to have seen?
I'm thinking the extra scenes with Bowie might get referenced since we've heard mention of Jeffries quite a few times.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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This whole "3rd Cooper named Dougie" while there was already a character named Dougie Milford who was highly connected to Maj. Briggs and takes up almost half of the Secret History of Twin Peaks book makes me wonder if we'll get some explanation about the reason behind the name. Combine that with the fact that he died on his wedding night while wearing a gold ring with a green gem on it...

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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I liked the over the top acting by Sheriff Truman's wife. I must have cracked up 2-3 times during her rant.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Thom and the Heads posted:

can we talk about the worst scene of the show so far - the scene between sheriff truman and his wife


yikes
"Worst?" More like hilarious.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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I was about to say that it's not the most TV IV thread until we have debates about the protagonist speaking "with Mike's voice" but Twin Peaks is the kinda show where something weird like that could genuinely happen, so it's all fair game.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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eSporks posted:

I remember someone mentioned that Tami might be noticing that Danzigs prints are a mirror of coopers. I re-watched the scene, and noticed this:

Forgive me if it was mentioned already, but the text [9 L. Ring] is mirrored. Its not just the way it is on the form either because number 10 is normal. I'm not sure if Tami is literally noticing this same thing with the text, or its lynch signaling the viewer that the prints of the doppelganger mirror the original. Its very intentional though.

EDIT: Found another shot.

Its not just the text, the whole Left Ring Finger print on Danzig's sheet is mirrored, but only that one print. The others appear to match well enough.
This is so cool and makes so much sense now.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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PantsOptional posted:

Some people like to put a very thin slice of sharp cheddar on top of apple pie. I think it might be a New England regional thing.
There's a scene in Taxi Driver where Travis orders this at a diner.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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It would be super depressing if Richard Horne, the psycho in the Bang Bang Bar, was somehow Dark Cooper's bastard kid with Audrey. It would have been the perfect time to seduce her since she wanted to be with Coop already.

The name Richard is mentioned by the Giant (aka ???????) in the prologue this season along with Linda... two birds with one stone. Hmm, could Dark Cooper have had two kids maybe?

EDIT: Woahhh, someone on reddit found these song lyrics related to "Richard and Linda." There's a song called "Bird in God's Garden" by Richard and Linda Thompson. Check these lyrics:

quote:

I am a bird of God’s garden
and I do not belong to this dusty world
For a day or two they have put me here
in this cage of my own body
I did not come here of my own
I will not return of my own
to my own country...

If that doesn't apply to the doppelganger, I dunno what does.

JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jun 8, 2017

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Mr. Grumpybones posted:

Audrey/Ben/Jerry/Jonny and now Richard HORNE

Buck

Buck likes to gently caress

Buckhorn, South Dakota

????

Richard is the son of the Audrey and Buck

Nothing else makes any sense
Woah, Twin Peaks + Kill Bill shared universe CONFIRMED.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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I really wish she was a notch above pornstar acting level because it's a drat shame to have this actress portray the character who apparently could connect the dots on so many classified documents in the Secret History book. Why even bother writing that it was her if she's going to act like she's hearing all these names for the first time.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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I can't keep my eye on a bucket ALL DAY, FRANK!

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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The Unlife Aquatic posted:

We can only hope.

You know what I'd actually love to see? A Twin Peaks fighting game.

Twin Fists, now out for the PS4 and Xbox One.
I call the Giant.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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BTW, we got our Linda mention this ep, so now we've got "Richard & Linda" like ??????? mentioned in the prologue. She's related to that bearded goon who got a ride into town from Fat Trout and apparently she needed a wheelchair due to "war," I think.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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kaworu posted:

OK, I don't think I was really making my point clear. I was referring to the red cloud/shape that seemed to come out of her head as he shot her, and this VERY strange fisheye-like effect that Lynch put in for a JUST a frame or two as she was being shot and this red cloud seemed to be coming out of the bullet-wound as she went down.

To make it a bit more clear here are two screencaps from the same exact second - and again, the effect in the second screencap only lasts a frame or two.



and a tenth of a second later this changes to:




Do you guys see the weirdness going on here I am trying to point out?


Thank you! I appreciate that :) I more or less use 'dream logic' and wild associations that I intuitively feel might contain meaning, and really enjoy sort of going from here to there to where-ever and seeing where the thought process takes me. I can't analyze or make posts about just any TV show like this, because most aren't nearly this dense or well-thought out. And it's the way Lynch operates - using intuitive associations where he is able to make leaps of metaphoric logic and manifest that often as an obscured or semi-obscured part of the narrative in his work. Don't see what's wrong with analyzing in a somewhat similar manner, and just going on a journey and seeing where it takes you.
The gunshot kill definitely had some weirdness to it with that wobble effect and Bad Coop said something about her acting like a human or something like that, right? We can say there was something off and supernatural about the scene, but I don't think there's anything concrete to go on yet unless Lynch show us more.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Polo-Rican posted:

Can anyone itt scrounge up a screenshot of the dark/ashy ghost thing from episode 7? Presumably, the same one you see in the prison cell in episode 1 (or was it 2?...)?

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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And More posted:

You're being had. That Lynch is way too small.
Oh cool, it's like the Bigger Luke Theory.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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LawfulWaffle posted:

He suspected that Dougie would be replaced with Cooper and hired Tammy to organize Dougie's assassination. When that didn't work, BadCoop activated (maybe with his prison phone call? I'm forgetting the order here) his man in Vegas to send Ike out to kill the loose end Tammy and Dougie. Now that this plan has failed, we will see if there is a third contingency, one that might call for the Vegas man, Ike, and Dougie's death.
Just pointing out that woman's name was Lorraine. Tammy is the porny FBI agent.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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TheMaestroso posted:

Attractive = "porny", got it.
If you don't think the exaggerated way she swings her hips and says even basic stuff like "look at this" as if she's a hot teacher in "After School Babes 5" then I don't know what to tell ta.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Bad Cooper has BOB in him, no question. That's why he was freaked out when the imitator voice that was supposed to be Jeffries on the radio in the motel room said "you're going back into the lodge and then I'll be with BOB again" or whatever.

It's very clear.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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KillerQueen posted:

See that's the scene I'm most curious about. Like the wind blows and the curtains are pulled back and there's just darkness...and that goldurn horse and I don't know why.
Lynch thought it looked cool.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Cromulent posted:

Ever read the pre-David Lynch script for the S2 finale? They make the Black Lodge seem like something from loving Looney Tunes, signs falling from the ceiling saying stuff like "Try again, sucker."
Wow, I never knew this existed:

http://www.lynchnet.com/tp/tp29.html

It's pretty loving dumb and has a bunch of that lame Windom Earle crap.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Supercar Gautier posted:

It's the same creature that came through the glass box in New York and was pursuing Coop while he worked his way back to the real world, which the eyeless woman referred to as her mother.
Actually, it was Ronette's actress, the one credited as like "American girl" or something who said that. The eyeless woman didn't talk.

But yeah, that's where we get the "mother" name from. There's also a creepy reference to a "mother of all others" in the Secret History of Twin Peaks book, which made me think it's going to be the "big bad" of the series.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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What if the black gunk they have on them is burnt motor oil?

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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DevCore posted:

I think the Grey's are the 8 hobo-ghosts? Maybe?
One take I had: The two dark entities could be a mirror to the Giant/Senorita (Good/Evil)
One is obviously a "man" and one is very obviously a "woman".
I don't know if you can say that one is obviously male. I think the glass box monster was the same thing as the mother in the nuke scene (female). Heck, right from episode 3 we're supposed to connect the thing chasing Good Coop with the term "mother" since it's banging on the windows and American Girl warns him about it.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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a cute sea otter posted:

I'm still working on the calculations and may be objectively wrong about this, but I thought the NIN performance was ... bad. Bad song. Mediocre performance. It kind of ruined the flow of the episode for me because I was actually super psyched to hear NIN and then I had to scrub through half that scene. Now I'm just glad I haven't really paid attention to what Trent has been doing since high school.

I'll get back to you when I've finished the math on that. Rest of the episode was good and cool.
You mean you didn't like she's gone she's gone she's gone she's gone awayyyyyyy?

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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The Frank Grimes episode kinda reminds me of Dougie with Grimes getting mad at Homer for succeeding in life by basically doing nothing.

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JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

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Murderist posted:

I had a dream that Special Agent Dale Cooper actually fully (the)Returns tonight. Or maybe I saw it in my coffee. It's a bit hazey, we live in a dream, after all.
God, I hope so.

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