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Sinners Sandwich posted:Does Wonder Woman have post credit ending scenes? I just googled it and apparently not.
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Jimbot posted:There's no clever way of defeating a demi-god that's better than you are in every single way. So he decided to sacrifice something about himself instead of sacrificing those people to stay pure and innocent. The whole movie is about Clark figuring out how to lead his life, either by one father's ideology or another. He was boxed in the entire movie. By Batman v Superman, he decided to live his life his own way, by just being another guy doing what he thinks is right. Not someone who blends in nor someone to act as a guiding line for humanity (though his selfless example did elevate him into an ideal to strive towards at the end). That's the flaw. Zod was a better soldier than Clark could ever be. But because Zod was programed from birth for that role and only that role, he's better than Clark in one way. Clark has other potential strengths to draw on so that as a complete whole he's stronger, more capable than Zod. It would help if he is put in a similar situation again and goes "No, I've learned from my mistakes. Here's a solution" and it needs to be something that neither the audience or the villain expected.
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Darth Brooks posted:That's the flaw. Zod was a better soldier than Clark could ever be. But because Zod was programed from birth for that role and only that role, he's better than Clark in one way. Clark has other potential strengths to draw on so that as a complete whole he's stronger, more capable than Zod. That is the whole point of the movie though?
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That is the whole point of the movie though? Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!
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May 29, 2017 18:39
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Darth Brooks posted:That's the flaw. Zod was a better soldier than Clark could ever be. But because Zod was programed from birth for that role and only that role, he's better than Clark in one way. Clark has other potential strengths to draw on so that as a complete whole he's stronger, more capable than Zod. lol  "with the power of love, Clark was able to defeat and capture Zod in their next battle." Drifter fucked around with this message at 18:55 on May 29, 2017 |
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Darth Brooks posted:It would help if he is put in a similar situation again and goes "No, I've learned from my mistakes. Here's a solution" and it needs to be something that neither the audience or the villain expected. It'll probably be his fight with Darkseid in the climactic scene of Justice League 2.
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May 29, 2017 19:00
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It'll probably be his fight with Darkseid in the climactic scene of Justice League 2. It'll be like the ending of Star Wars where Vader throws the Emperor down that well, except it'll be Superman kicking Darkseid off of his sofa.
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Darth Brooks posted:That's the flaw. Zod was a better soldier than Clark could ever be. But because Zod was programed from birth for that role and only that role, he's better than Clark in one way. Clark has other potential strengths to draw on so that as a complete whole he's stronger, more capable than Zod. The first time I saw MoS I thought that Kryptonian ships simulating their atmosphere and keeping Zod & Co. unwittingly depowered was going to come back as a sort-of Phantom Zone at the end, with Superman cramming Zod into a Kryptonian pod and planting it on the moon or something. Let Michael Shannon wither as a holographic Russell Crowe won't ever leave him alone. In WW news, only three more days! I am always appreciative of blockbuster premieres that let me see them on a Thursday at 7:00pm. 
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May 29, 2017 19:34
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May 29, 2017 19:42
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quote:'Wonder Woman' set to conquer the box office — and may break the superhero movie mold One of their data points is that WW has generated a huge number of 'new conversations' on social media. Nearly as many as Baywatch! ...... um ......
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May 29, 2017 19:44
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They have statistics for negative tweets? How is this a reference for anything?
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May 29, 2017 19:58
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Tenzarin posted:They have statistics for negative tweets? How is this a reference for anything? Because Twitter is important, can't you see I have this little blue check next to my name? I matter on this website, so clearly it's Important.
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The only good thing that came from Twitter involving superhero movies is Zod's Snapped Neck, otherwise it's just a bunch of garbage and bad hot takes.
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Tenzarin posted:They have statistics for negative tweets? How is this a reference for anything? Yeah the entire box office projections industry sounds like someone invented a job title and is trying extra super hard to justify their pay cheque. "Look at all the statistics we've collected!!" But then again the pointless job justification industry has been a massive part of Hollywood for many many decades.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah the entire box office projections industry sounds like someone invented a job title and is trying extra super hard to justify their pay cheque. "Look at all the statistics we've collected!!" But then again the pointless job justification industry has been a massive part of Hollywood for many many decades. ...and the Oscar goes to...
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Social media traffic calculation engineer, sounds pretty impressive.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/26/wonder-woman-set-to-break-the-superhero-movie-mold.html There was actually an article on Deadline or Variety about movies like Covenant bombing at the box office, and they had direct quotes from multiple people at multiple studios saying they now blame Rotten Tomatoes for this year's box office downturn. Ninja: It was Deadline, here it is.
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May 29, 2017 23:02
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Reminder that the review embargo lifts tonight. I'll read maybe one or two.
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Sure, finally giving the first female superhero her own solo film is some kind of big deal or something or whatever...but y'know, I think the greatest thing this movie can and will do for the world is to be so much more accepted and well-received than MoS that far fewer movies will be like MoS from now on. Not just from the DCEU, but across all studios and genres.  It ain't a sure thing yet but I live in hope.Drifter posted:lol
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BrianWilly posted:Sure, finally giving the first female superhero her own solo film is some kind of big deal or something or whatever. Please don't ignore Halle Berry.
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BrianWilly posted:lol I'd personally love to be clued in as to why specifically we're supposed to think this would be bad. zod's battle theme is literally called Either You Die Or I Do, named after the thing he outright says to clark during their fight his last words are him saying "never" when asked, desperately, to not kill a group of innocent bystanders (also doomsday is defeated by the power of love, it just turns out 'the power of love' means being willing to sacrifice your life for something you love, not magically making people not evil)
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BrianWilly posted:but y'know, I think the greatest thing this movie can and will do for the world is to be so much more accepted and well-received than MoS that far fewer movies will be like MoS from now on. Not just from the DCEU, but across all studios and genres. So you're hoping for less great movies? Tenzarin posted:Please don't ignore Halle Berry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(film)
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Tenzarin posted:Please don't ignore Halle Berry. BrianWilly is saying that WW is the first female superhero
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:BrianWilly is saying that WW is the first female superhero How could you forget FANTOMAH 
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I'm hoping, too, that this will open the floodgate for more female superhero helmed films. Not sure about some of the other stuff, though, from previous discussions but I'll see how it is once the film comes out.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:How could you forget FANTOMAH Okay, I stand corrected then; WW is actually wholly unimportant on any sociological level aside how obsolete it renders MoS. 
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SleepCousinDeath posted:How could you forget FANTOMAH It's literally impossible for me to forget Fantomah, even if I get amnesia 
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Just kidding that's not my tattoo
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SleepCousinDeath posted:So you're hoping for less great movies? Movie was unable to reach the success that Halle Berry had with Catwoman.
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BrianWilly posted:How could I forget? I never knew! How is it rendered "obsolete"? Because it will be a part of Justice League when that makes like a billion dollars.
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Drifter posted:lol I still hate that the outtake of where Tom Hardy and Christian Bale almost passed out from the heat during the Dark Knight Rises climax where their final brawl+the battle between cops and Bane's dudes happens and they just like fell into each other's arms crying and saying how tired were over and over again wasn't used in the final movie. Like just have that and roll credits.
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Hellbunny posted:How is it rendered "obsolete"? Because it will be a part of Justice League when that makes like a billion dollars.  It's all gonna depend on the reviews coming in a couple hours. Justice League is mostly done and gonna come out no matter what, but if WW gets anything less than 65-70% overall RT ratings, anticipation for that film and any other followups are just gonna get lower and more niche. DC is gonna get stuck with its redheaded step-child reputation for even more years despite multiple attempts to course correct at this point. But if WW gets the RT hivemind approval and does it by being anything of a diametric opposite to MoS, it is absolutely going to set the tonal and narrative standard for these films going forward. Even if Justice League turns out to be completely different than WW, people are gonna say "Man, that should've been more like WW." I'm not even really talking about financial impact; sales absolutely matter, but communistic impression matters more. Just ask Star Wars. Heck, just ask BvS or Suicide Squad.
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Man of Steel has a big heart, I'm not sure why you'd want to destroy it.
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Did Man of Steel ruin your life or something? For something that brings out such worthless vitriol you sure type a whole lot about it without saying much. Just take a deep breath and remember, it's just a movie. Deep breaths now. "It's just a movie." ~ Zack Snyder, Director of Man of Steel Jimbot fucked around with this message at 02:15 on May 30, 2017 |
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Wonder Woman will be written off as another generic comic book film and compared to the Avengers in how it treats nonsuper human suffering as side-dressing (in what at the time was seen as the end of the world as we know it) to tell an ultimately unimportant and rather silly story with a largely a-historical context. (Spoiler: World War 1 actually happened because Ares tricked everyone! The bad CG and utterly unimaginative climax ending with a totally unearned villain will render the film largely a failure, and the overinvestment into multimillion dollar manufactured corporate blockbuster centered around a children's cartoon character as some sort of point for feminist struggle will lie alongside the Ghostbusters reboot as yet another failed attempt to capitalize on the social movements of the now.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:Man of Steel has a big heart, I'm not sure why you'd want to destroy it.
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Yea I also hope super hero movies become super predictable and one note and never again try to do anything interesting for some unfathomably dumb reason
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Taintrunner posted:Wonder Woman will be written off as another generic comic book film and compared to the Avengers in how it treats nonsuper human suffering as side-dressing (in what at the time was seen as the end of the world as we know it) to tell an ultimately unimportant and rather silly story with a largely a-historical context. (Spoiler: World War 1 actually happened because Ares tricked everyone! The bad CG and utterly unimaginative climax ending with a totally unearned villain will render the film largely a failure, and the overinvestment into multimillion dollar manufactured corporate blockbuster centered around a children's cartoon character as some sort of point for feminist struggle will lie alongside the Ghostbusters reboot as yet another failed attempt to capitalize on the social movements of the now. You are a cynical little shithead
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Marvel makes hundred million dollar super hero blockbusters like this DC makes hundred million dollar super hero blockbusters like this
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Wonder Woman's take on WWI Humanity: "What have we done?!?!" Humanity: "Oh thank goodness, it was all a dream." Humanity on WW2: "FINALLY we can do war our way!"
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