Vincent Van Goatse posted:

im the leftist who cheers for assad and north korea

ScrubLeague posted:

Manning and Snowden are heroes who broke laws to expose institutional misbehavior. They should face trial by a jury of their peers and let citizens decide if the good they did outweighs the laws they broke.

Assange is just a worthless televangelist.

consumed by normies posted:

a tankie, a troop, and a dsa member walk into a bar. chelsea manning is there tweeting smilies

Robotnik Nudes posted:

I feel like it's smarter to just camp out in some other country and avoid the potential of imprisonment, isolation, torture or possibly death.

ScrubLeague posted:

Oh absolutely, you're loving insane if you believe either of them could get a fair trial in the Department of Justice. That's just how it should go.

Zeris posted:

Trump and his son are too, hope you love them as much

Robotnik Nudes posted:

In an ideal world Manning would be as much of a good poster as she is a hero but we don't get that world.

got any sevens posted:

her twitter game is pretty baller tbqh, similar to Cher

R. Guyovich posted:

Brother Friendship posted:

Wasn't Manning thrown in solitary confinement for no reason other than spite

an actual dog posted:

She was given an absurdly long sentence that required the president of the united states to step in and shorten.

quote:

The UN special rapporteur on torture has formally accused the US government of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment towards Bradley Manning, the US soldier who was held in solitary confinement for almost a year on suspicion of being the WikiLeaks source.

Brother Friendship posted:

I know but I was referring to this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un

breaklaw posted:

Yes this is one thing the government and military did wrong. Letting her out after only seven years was another one.

breaklaw posted:

Yes this is one thing the government and military did wrong. Letting her out after only seven years was another one.

an actual dog posted:

I liked this thread better when it was about pizza

an actual dog posted:

lol what the gently caress. The normal sentence for what she did is like three years.

R. Guyovich posted:

im the dsa gang tag haver who loves the united states armed forces

breaklaw posted:

Three years for initially publishing classified documents? No where in the world is that normal.

R. Guyovich posted:

Venuz Patrol posted:

there's a lot of people here that don't seem to be aware that the government already tacitly admitted none of the released documents could be tied to casualties anywhere following the release

Zeris posted:

Source?

quote:

On Saturday, US state department legal adviser Harold Koh wrote in a letter to Wikileaks that the most recent document dump "could place at risk the lives of countless innocent individuals" as well as "ongoing military operations".

He accused Wikileaks of endangerment "without regard to the security and the sanctity of the lives your actions endanger".

But is there any real evidence of this peril?
Justification for secrecy

The problem for officials like Mr Koh is proving direct links between the information released and any loss of life.

After the release of an enormous haul of US defence department documents in August, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell told the Washington Post: "We have yet to see any harm come to anyone in Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure in the Wikileaks documents."
Image caption Pentagon Papers whistle-blower Daniel Ellsberg says silence puts lives at risk

But, he added: "There is in all likelihood a lag between exposure of these documents and jeopardy in the field."

quote:

Brigadier general Robert Carr, a senior counter-intelligence officer who headed the Information Review Task Force that investigated the impact of WikiLeaks disclosures on behalf of the Defense Department, told a court at Fort Meade, Maryland, that they had uncovered no specific examples of anyone who had lost his or her life in reprisals that followed the publication of the disclosures on the internet. "I don't have a specific example," he said.

It has been one of the main criticisms of the WikiLeaks publications that they put lives at risk, particularly in Iran and Afghanistan. The admission by the Pentagon's chief investigator into the fallout from WikiLeaks that no such casualties were identified marks a significant undermining of such arguments.

Carr, who retired from active duty in 2011 and now works for the private defence firm Northrop Grumman, was the first witness called by the US government in the sentencing phase of the prosecution of the army private. Manning was on Tuesday found guilty of 20 counts offences relating to his transmission of US state secrets to WikiLeaks, carrying a maximum sentence of 136 years in military jail.

Carr initially toldl the judge presiding over the case, Colonel Denise Lind, that there had been an individual killed in Afghanistan as a result of the publication by WikiLeaks of the Afghan war logs that recorded military activities on the ground. "As a result of the Afghan logs I know of one individual killed – an Afghan national who had a relationship with the US government and the Taliban came out and said publicly that they had killed him as a result of him being associated with information in these logs," Carr said.

But under defence cross-examination Carr conceded that the victim's name had not be included in the war logs made public by WikiLeaks. Asked by Lind whether the individual who was killed was tied to the disclosures, Carr replied: "The Taliban killed him and tied him to the disclosures. We went back and looked for the name in the disclosures. The name of the individual killed was not in the disclosures."

On the basis of the witness's clarification, Lind sustained an objection from the defence and scrubbed from the official record any reference to the alleged killing by the Taliban.

Doc Hawkins posted:

hahhahaaaa

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/886335700756549632

"you 😩🎮"

Brother Friendship posted:

From 2010:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11882092



From 2013:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/bradley-manning-sentencing-hearing-pentagon


I'm not sure if the leaks led to the death of Afghans though. I think I read something about that years back but I'm not sure, didn't find anything in my Googling. It's easy to see how it would have a negative effect on local sources cooperating with the US military.

Doc Hawkins posted:

hahhahaaaa

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/886335700756549632

"you 😩🎮"