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Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Genre labels can be a bit dodgy, but there seems to be a void we could fill with this thread. With hard rock! Since not much hard rockin' gets posted in the indie rock/pop/folk/electronic thread, and if it's not certified steel it doesn't get posted much in the metal thread.

There is that bit of heavy metal / hard rock overlap, especially glam metal, and there's even some with alt rock. Who knows, but the magic could be this thread doesn't have the strictest of requirements. If it's rock 'n' fuckin' roll as Lemmy often said, put it in here. If it's more headbang worthy than your standard rock fare, maybe just a bit crunchy, lets hear about it!

One of the greats is Electric Six. They're often danceable, but the crowd does become a mosh whenever that hard surf guitar hits in Gay Bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HSwfS_dk2Y


Here's the latest single from Turbonegro, originally full on punk, now with more of a hard glam rock style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_GQK_eCNf8

Symphonic metal (aka radio friendly heavy metal with female vocalists) is not seen much in the metal thread, could have a haven in here. Within Temptation for example. Or maybe something like Rage Against The Machine, something retro like Aldo Nova, whatever rocks!

I didn't notice a J-rock thread in here, so here's some Gackt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXp0v93ZRTs

If you have hard rock to post and it needs a home, here's a place to put it. Or there could be a... skyfall?

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Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Honest question: what would you say differentiates Hard Rock from plain ol' Rock? Just rock that rocks harder but isn't fast enough to be metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClFUJEWD2L8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLEvl_uplUk

A pair of favorites from E6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78coiD6aYSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqzI4ubuBmU
lovely fan AMV, don't care, rules.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Good stuff! Rock and even some metal could be posted about in here, since yeah hard rock is a somewhat broad/undefined area. On wikipedia, a lot of bands will have several genres listed, hard rock is often one of the middle ones. Motley Crue is listed as heavy metal / hard rock / glam metal. Electric Six is listed as alt rock / dance rock / new wave / hard rock on there, etc.

There is a lot of rock music that is not hard or heavy for the most part, I guess a lot of the bands in the indie thread for example. The bands that sound more pondering or sad or something like that. But yeah I think just "rock 'n' roll" would often be classified as hard rock these days, by sounding energetic and well, rockin'. Since we don't have a rock 'n' roll thread here either, that stuff could go here too.

Just an overall common ground of hard rockin'. To encourage posting of bands that don't seem to fit in with the other threads.

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at May 18, 2017 around 17:54

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

I love my second round kicker


I'm glad someone finally made this thread. Most of what I listen to is pretty much mainstream hard rock that you'd find on SiriusXM Octane and gets poo poo on by most people on the forum so I'm curious to see what you guys can open my ears to.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Takes No Damage posted:

Honest question: what would you say differentiates Hard Rock from plain ol' Rock? Just rock that rocks harder but isn't fast enough to be metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClFUJEWD2L8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLEvl_uplUk

A pair of favorites from E6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78coiD6aYSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqzI4ubuBmU
lovely fan AMV, don't care, rules.

rock is a general term that covers an extremely wide range of things, whereas hard rock is fairly specific.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

A human heart posted:

rock is a general term that covers an extremely wide range of things, whereas hard rock is fairly specific.

Such as?

Te' are an instrumental Japanese post-rock band, but some of their songs are pretty drat hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PIfKNWN1TE
First song off their 4th LP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWhgbUx4lyA
3rd song off their 5th LP. I just went and uploaded this myself because I couldn't find it, these guys are a pain in the rear end go Google...

e: aw the record label smacked down my upload, unfortunate. I'll try Vimeo...

Takes No Damage fucked around with this message at May 19, 2017 around 22:02

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

^ That is righteous.

Diamondsnake is one of my underrated favs, oddly enough Moby is in the band! And the singer/main guy also has a Bee Gees metal tribute band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGTFhz5cWTk

angrygodofjebus
Aug 25, 2005

Drink it up and hunker down


Not sure where exactly which thread these guys belong in, but Vasudeva is an instrumental hard rockish band I've recently come across. It's not really post-rock, so they fit this thread I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvXwQrI2GnY

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

OK let's see if this stays up:

//vimeo.com/218227092

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012




are you asking what the range of things covers or what the specific things are

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

On the classification thing, while it's interesting, you can post whatever you think fits. There isn't a general rock topic to post in, so even if something is considered by some not hard rock enough, it's all good, if you think it fits post away. And on the other end, hard rock that may be metal, that's okay too. We have several metal topics (stoner, black, etc), metal that is hard rock-ish isn't posted about much in the general metal topic as is. Except for some 80s classics.

This thread is between a rock and a hard place. It's a hard rock place, fill it with your rocks or metallic-ish deposits that are maybe too glossy for a metal thread, and a rock that is perhaps too rough for say the indie thread, anyways it's all just descendants of rock'n'roll.

This song seems appropriate, What is Rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfo0Jr0O_s

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at May 19, 2017 around 23:31

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

A human heart posted:

are you asking what the range of things covers or what the specific things are

What things would you consider specific to Hard Rock that would differentiate it from just Rock? Which is to say what makes Rock... Hard?

In other news, !!90s nostalgia activate!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuzB-VG7YXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfygUiS50g

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Takes No Damage posted:

What things would you consider specific to Hard Rock that would differentiate it from just Rock? Which is to say what makes Rock... Hard?

In other news, !!90s nostalgia activate!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuzB-VG7YXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfygUiS50g

I don't really understand what the confusion is. Rock music is almost everything featuring a guitar from the 1950s onwards, whereas hard rock is a specific style of rock. like your led zeppelins or your acdcs or whatever.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002



Vertical Horizon and Motorhead are basically the same band

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Takes No Damage posted:

Which is to say what makes Rock... Hard?

More distortion and a more bombastic drumming style basically?

also less keyboards. some Hard Rock bands do have keyboardists (like Prong who you just posted) but you can't really hear them.

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

The review you had on "Shark Sandwich", which was merely a two word review, just said "Shit Sandwich".



So is this a thread for modern hard rock or what? Because "hard rock" encompasses a good 50 year swath of music and I don't think E6 and Gackt are exactly representative of that.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Shark Sandwich posted:

So is this a thread for modern hard rock or what? Because "hard rock" encompasses a good 50 year swath of music and I don't think E6 and Gackt are exactly representative of that.

The thing is, seems very few bands identify as hard rock as the main thing, there are countless subgenres made for every kind of band. But a lot of them will have hard rock listed among several subgenres on their wiki page, or you might just determine that yep this band rocks hard. You can be a hard rock band while also being dance rock and alt rock, like Electric Six. The J-rock scene, especially visual kei (another name for glam metal kinda) is often hard rock, so Gackt fits too.

There are bands that could be called just hard rock, like Guns N Roses or Aerosmith, but this thread isn't intended to be limited to just those bands. Since by now there are many many ways you could categorize bands, but these different sounding bands may all have some hard rock in their formula as well.

Could post some older bands if you'd like, overall the idea is if somebody wants to bring a band to people's attention, in case somebody hasn't heard it, post it in here. If you consider it to be rock that is hard, to your standards, post away.

So for this hard rock thread, it's up to the poster to just post what they think fits. Since this area is a little less easily defined than say what to post in the New Retro Wave thread. And the idea is this could be a place that fills a few gaps in what gets posted in this subforum overall, with sort of a common thing to it.

I could call it the Hard Rock / Harder than average modern Alt Rock / J-Rock / Rage Against The Machine style funk metal / Glam metal / Poppy hair metal / Groovin rock thread also. Or home for rock without a home that is possibly hard. I don't have a short answer for this question it would seem.

Short version, post bands you think could be considered hard rock, even if that band is hard rock mixed with other subgenres.

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at May 21, 2017 around 01:19

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 12, 2016



for a band to qualify as hard rock they need to meet the minimum butt threshold of 17%

anything over 65% butt is butt rock, which obviously is a subset of hard rock, but at or above 17% butt it is quantifiable as hard rock as per ISO-9001 regs

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

^ Said it much better than I could!

BigFactory posted:

Vertical Horizon and Motorhead are basically the same band

I've seen Motorhead live (my fav band!), and as we know, Lemmy says "We are Motorhead, and we play rock 'n' roll" (sometimes more colorfully). He himself chose not to label his band with a subgenre, even though some albums are full on metal, etc. It's rock 'n' roll to Lemmy, even though it's much heavier than just about any other rock band.

The other band you mention, seems they're on the not so heavy side of alt rock (being your point), post what your heart tells you.

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at May 21, 2017 around 01:31

SchwarzeKrieg
Apr 15, 2009


I listen to a few musics that are hard ish I guess and also I think are rock for example

Scorpion Child! Heavy ish straightforward rock that takes inspiration from a bunch of 70s and 80s styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI4jAw-un7k

Graveyard! Absolutely killer Zeppelin-y rock, split up recently which I'm still sad about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiDDlebQwz8

Trophy Scars! Could vaguely fit in almost any thread here, started life as a post hardcore band, morphed into a psychedelic/progressive/blues/rock/indie/whatever hybrid and released two of my favorite albums and two of my favorite EPs ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RlKXIu0eE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggxCFMtjAjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2kUyvEDOM

Not sure if this is what you had in mind and the first two would probably do alright in the metal thread but hey they're all rockish and hardish so

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

SchwarzeKrieg posted:

Not sure if this is what you had in mind and the first two would probably do alright in the metal thread but hey they're all rockish and hardish so

You did great! I'm really digging this Scorpion Child.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Heavy Metal posted:

^ Said it much better than I could!


I've seen Motorhead live (my fav band!), and as we know, Lemmy says "We are Motorhead, and we play rock 'n' roll" (sometimes more colorfully).

he doesn't say that much anymore for some reason

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

A human heart posted:

he doesn't say that much anymore for some reason

The end of Lemmy: The Movie doesn't seem to be on youtube but, it's pretty cool. Lemmy said how he'd like to go out, and the gist is he vanishes and a plaque says fooled you again or something. Anyways, I like to think we've been fooled here.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



I think, frankly, that we all probably already know enough about Hard Rock, thank you, and that you should use this thread to educate us all about your Lemmy Is Still Alive conspiracy theory because really, we could use some better or at least more interesting news.

to contribute, I have a friend in LA who named her dog after Lemmy, and its a good dog and the name could have created an opportunity for some soul transfer, but I don't think Lemmy (the spirit) was interested, dog is still the same old doggo.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

That is a cool name for a dog who sounds cool! I don't have a conspiracy theory, just took that opportunity to mention something cool Lemmy said. But do watch the movie Eddie and The Cruisers if you haven't, by the way.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Thank you for making this, it's long overdue.

Unfortunately I only found this thread because I was looking for the proper place to discuss the death of Gregg Allman

stay depressed
Sep 30, 2003


*sprinkles good taste dust itt*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV6y4WykkU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50XdMM2E7eI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su0usPqnj8Y

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

stay depressed posted:

*sprinkles good taste dust itt*

We have indie and post-punk threads already, if hard rock isn't to your taste.

stay depressed
Sep 30, 2003


just posting what i think fits even if it's mixed with other subgenres

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

stay depressed posted:

just posting what i think fits even if it's mixed with other subgenres

You're welcome to do so, just with your remark it sounds like you perhaps didn't enjoy the bands so far, which I find to be more in the hard rock area, subjective as it is. But maybe I'm misinterpreting your comment or taking it too seriously.

stay depressed
Sep 30, 2003


just being a goof over here no worries

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



this might be too garage rock but it is a good album, for this bad thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYOnCFvOHE

Elrobot
Dec 28, 2004
Look my schniggies, I had a strizz-oke in my brizz-ain, okay, you know what I'm sayin, so I can't move all good.

jus' goofin'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZpdar_sQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAcUtVxFTEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b84nG0l05s4

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Elrobot posted:

jus' goofin'

Thanks for bringing those bands to my attention, good stuff! Nice grooves.

Immolat1on
Sep 9, 2005


Glad to see a hard rock thread, some good ish in this thread.

Any Royal Blood fans? Little more pop-ish than a lot of whats been posted but they still fit the bill of hard rock.

This is one of their new singles which is really fuckin good IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrLHKM5z4E

They have a new album coming out in June.

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

I love my second round kicker


Immolat1on posted:

Glad to see a hard rock thread, some good ish in this thread.

Any Royal Blood fans? Little more pop-ish than a lot of whats been posted but they still fit the bill of hard rock.

This is one of their new singles which is really fuckin good IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrLHKM5z4E

They have a new album coming out in June.

I pre-ordered it after the first single came out and after hearing this one I'm pretty excited for the release.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM


I would imagine a band like Chevelle can be pretty easily considered hard rock?

flirty dental hygienist
Jul 24, 2007

All aboard the knuckle train to FIST PLANET!!


SchwarzeKrieg posted:

Graveyard! Absolutely killer Zeppelin-y rock, split up recently which I'm still sad about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiDDlebQwz8

Good news, they got back together - http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/01/2...-are-reuniting/

Royal Thunder own, the singer is incredible. They did an NPR tiny desk concert recently and it's great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HWjjK7yqmE

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 12, 2016



chocolateTHUNDER posted:

I would imagine a band like Chevelle can be pretty easily considered hard rock?

moreso than most of the stuff posted here for sure

i mean, have any of these other bands performed for a crowd where at least a dozen people are wearing affliction tees? or at a fest sponsored by an energy drink or vape supply wholesaler? doubtful

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wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

I love my second round kicker


Foo Fighters thread is archived so I figured this thread would be the closest thing to post a new Foo Fighters song in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifwc5xgI3QM

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