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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

Yogg-Saron fan #1


Elven scout having relevant tribal synergy is the one that really annoys me.

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Knowlue
Nov 11, 2012

I could eat a sea cucumber


No Wave posted:

I thought the mmr system was cool because I got so much free stuff for winning 40% of my games, but I'm not so sure now. If you're able to climb with a 20% win rate, doesn't that mean that some players will get stuck at a rank where they're only winning 20% of the time? And won't that be miserable for them? It seems like there will be a huge number of people stuck at 3900. Hearthstone has win streaks until rank 5, which has a kind of similar effect, but you'll still have a 45% or so winrate at the rank you get stuck at pre-5.

Imo the system is better in gwent. You don't get punished as hard if your win streak is broken, you lose a bit and can go back to gaining a bunch of mmr immediately. That win bonus though starts disappearing towards 3900 or so (don't quote me on this number) and at that point you have to have over 50% winrate to keep climbing which is the same as hearthstone past rank 5.

Knowlue
Nov 11, 2012

I could eat a sea cucumber


Minrad posted:

well, my verdict on the latest balance pass: it's dogshit, create is still garbage, and the upcoming arena/draft mode looks totally uninspired. at least thronebreaker might exist some day, in the mean time slay the spire is fufilling all my card game needs until mtg:arena or artifact reveal if they will be worth playing or not.

How's it dogshit? Create isn't supposed to be competitive. Arena mode is fine. You guys are getting riled up for no loving reason

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

Yogg-Saron fan #1


Create is extremely, extremely viable.

Meta:
Elven scout
Winch
Nilfgaard runestone
Isengrim Outlaw

Playable/viable:
Vreemde
Aguara
Hym
Doppler
Black blood

Leaders:
Usurper

He meant it was a dogshit mechanic, not that the power level is dogshit - the power level in general is high and borderline undervalued when they synergize with other cards, that's half of the create cards in the game.

Lots of decks like vipers, henselt in general, and elves can't realistically run decks without create cards. This is not something designed for a new game mode, and most of these will be overpowered in draft.

No Wave fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2018 around 16:29

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013


I know the latest overpowered deck is Elf Spam, but, even though it is not competetive, Henselt + Winch was a mistake, especially with Neneke. Maybe he will get limited to 'play 2 copies of a bronze' instead.

MarshyMcFly
Aug 16, 2012



So maybe NR is doable?

https://youtu.be/6bgnkncLk6A

Darke GBF
Dec 30, 2006

The cold never bothered me anyway~



well that was a rollercoaster ride.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

Yogg-Saron fan #1


Here's a good skellige deck:



It's good because it plays like NR.

The idea is to have a normal game until round 3 when you olaf + yoana for 34 points (36 if you have a longship out). This deck thins extremely aggressively, the recon should probably be another light longship tbh but you really want that olaf yoana. You have a few nasty surprises to steal round 1 or go up a card there - 20 point crach into harpooner once you play pirates and morkvarg, and Hym -> Skjall -> Udalryk 5 point spy.

If Skellige had other good golds I wouldn't run gigni, but they don't. I'd seriously give Uma's curse a try if I had it. Everyone plays coral but she hasnt done that much for me.

No Wave fucked around with this message at Feb 17, 2018 around 05:39

Knowlue
Nov 11, 2012

I could eat a sea cucumber


Played against someone who had the title of Xbox Live Player. Crossplay confirmed? Eat your heart out you console playing, non gwent-up using plebs

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009

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No Wave posted:

Everyone plays coral but she hasnt done that much for me.

She's Dudu + lock + 3 str

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

Yogg-Saron fan #1


Coral doesn't target golds. If she did I'd absolutely run her. I'll probably start using her again if muźzle lets me down but muzzle's been pretty nice.

Muzzle also makes people tilt and concede at ranks where mmr losses are low.

No Wave fucked around with this message at Feb 17, 2018 around 06:25

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013


I feel like when I have coral played against me, it is usually targets point generating card like a behemoth or mangonel or revenant, in which case muzzle would also work and be slightly more value.

Seedge
Jun 15, 2009
Hey, buddy.



A Muzzled unit can be re-Muzzled, but a Jade Figurine is always a blank card.

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013


I've not been muzzled too often, but that is a good point too. The cards are similar enough that I'm sure there isn't a huge difference between them, and you may get the occasional big win from coral against something with big buffs on it like an Impera Enforcer. The real dealbreaker for me: I'm out of scraps and only have muzzle

Up Circle
Apr 3, 2008


morenn is worthless

Darke GBF
Dec 30, 2006

The cold never bothered me anyway~


Up Circle posted:

morenn is worthless

Morenn exists now to make people play a tutor and then get their poo poo stolen by Malena or whoever the 7 str spy that steals is.

Simone Poodoin
Jun 26, 2003


Keep calling me fat! I will continue to score goals.



The funniest use of muzzle is when running sk light longships against dwarfs and stealing the dwarf that is boosted when damaged to put next to your longship

Seedge
Jun 15, 2009
Hey, buddy.



Or use Muzzle, Coral and Jade Fig to remove each Nekker / Revenant from existence as they hit the board

Simone Poodoin
Jun 26, 2003


Keep calling me fat! I will continue to score goals.



lol I just won a match because my opponent didn't realize that the Lord of Unvik gets picked up by summoning circle.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

there was a man of double deed
and nandynandynandy need,
and when he rode he was a horse
and when he walked he was a porse

what's going on with the servers lately? i haven't had this much connection issues and not finding games ever, and i've played since closed beta

Seedge
Jun 15, 2009
Hey, buddy.



Simone Poodoin posted:

lol I just won a match because my opponent didn't realize that the Lord of Unvik gets picked up by summoning circle.

It also picks up Jade Figurine!

Minrad
Sep 26, 2007

I will never forget your smiles. I feel like I saved the world today. Just feeling like that is enough for me.



they're adding a bunch of weirdly conditional gold cards that win the game if they go off and lose the game if they're dead in hand. sounds like the exact sort of thing we needed to add to our Intensely High Skill Card Game and definitely not the sort of poo poo design that made me quit hearthstone for... this game. weird how that works, huh?

Estraysian
Dec 29, 2008


The design of the new Roche card is extremely bad. It simply existing will probably make ambush cards unplayable even if no one is actually going to put it in their decks.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

Yogg-Saron fan #1


The Dandelion Poet card (6 str gold, draw a card and play a card) seems crazily good at least.

The devs had to add variance to the game in some way, every meta got stale too fast, I wish they'd done it by increasing deck size though instead of making more RNG and more conditional cards.

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


hell yeah new cards reveale- oh........

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013


Somehow I feel like 'it is for arena' doesn't quite cut it, here... I don't think create was a problem but some of these cards definitely are, if only for the poor timing of when this happened. Feels like it would have been a better fit to drop these when arena actually came out so you can 'see them in action', so to speak.

At least Imlerith and Dandelion and maybe Cerys seem good.

Captainicus fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2018 around 23:17

Estraysian
Dec 29, 2008


Most of the new cards are too horrible to even see play in arena.

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013


Here's a little trick I found while attempting to piece together a bloodmoon deck. If you use a bridge troll to move fog, it will summon up a second foglet from your deck. Whether I can use this concept in an effective way or not remains to be seen. I guess you could use a nekker warrior on a foglet so your 3 bridge trolls become str 14s.

Captainicus fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2018 around 04:49

Seedge
Jun 15, 2009
Hey, buddy.



Captainicus posted:

Here's a little trick I found while attempting to piece together a bloodmoon deck. If you use a bridge troll to move fog, it will summon up a second foglet from your deck. Whether I can use this concept in an effective way or not remains to be seen. I guess you could use a nekker warrior on a foglet so your 3 bridge trolls become str 14s.

Pro tip: Don't use Bridge Trolls with Rag Na Rog or Heatwave!

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

I am the real hero here.


Just had the weirdest win ever. I'm playing Alchemy Nilfgaard and my last two cards are the Dazhbog Runestone and Mandrake. The other player plops down Villentrentenmerth while I use the runestone and get a 9 point silver that had no effect on the board. The other player then plays a Dun Banner cavalry and I just go "whatever" and use the Mandrake to boost the Dun Banner to 10, guaranteeing that Villen will kill him instead of my silver.
Guy plays Scorch, kills both Villen and the Dun Banner.

Villen was on "2". I had no cards on hand. I won.



I'm just amazed how often people don't realize that they don't have to play every single card on their hand.

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013


Another silly mistake I've seen other players make is decoy the giant summoned by hjalmar. Ah, yes, spend a card to take away 5 of your own points and give the enemy 8 points instead. Hjalmar value denied! Definitely agree that most people don't realize playing a card is optional.

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Azran
Sep 3, 2012

I am the real hero here.


And this was at Rank 19, there's just no excuse for that.

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