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Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

I have always hated how the Marauder looks and I'm glad that particular version of it no longer exists as far as BattleTech is concerned.

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Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

kingcom posted:

You disgust me Strobe, good in the x-wing thread, bad in the battletech thread

The new version of the Marauder is actually good, but nothing will ever eclipse the new Warhammer and Battlemaster, which are magnificent killing machines.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Just so we're all on the same page, I mean this one, which is cool and good, and not this hideous beast.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

The second link is the Project Phoenix (3060s) Marauder.

I also dislike the Marauder in the gif.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Ugly In The Morning posted:

I got a kick out of how Shadowrun PnP had a character trait called Gremlins that was exactly this.

I'm psyched for this game. I love when I kickstart something and mostly forget about it until the release date comes around. It's like a surprise gift from past me.

The BattleTech RPG has it too. The little fluff text that comes with is pretty hilarious, along the lines of "Ammo feed malfunction? A Wolfhound doesn't even have that!"

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

ditty bout my clitty posted:

Wasn't that months ago?

Estimated delivery was May 2017. Getting the skirmish beta out by June 1 seems like it's not too much slippage.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Too tall. But that's a scale problem that's been happening with MWO and the MechWarrior 5 video that PGI is trying to make, too, so I'm not surprised it showed up here.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

And then you get to things like Griffins or Battlemasters that suddenly have walk-in apartments for cockpits instead. I hate that change.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

A.o.D. posted:

never mind. That image has some real layering issues.

Even before you edited this it's still not good scaling. Six people, give or take, stacked on top of each other should make it up to mid-chest on an Atlas. As it stands you might get all the way to its waist like that. If that. Looking at it some more, they might barely get past the knees.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

I feel like that's something that could be at least part-way solved by weighting head hits differently in terms of pilot death. Maybe it takes 12 pilot damage to die, and SRMs do 2 each but LRMs only 1. It'd effectively cut LRM headshots in half, which would probably still leave them somewhere higher in frequency than their TT counterparts thanks to individual missiles.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

isildur posted:

Evasion is a separate miss chance, not included in the percentage.

I think the feedback is that it should be included in the percentage.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Skoll posted:

I'm pretty sure two of the only Highlanders in existence before the Clan invasion were the ones that belonged to Rhonda Snord and Davis McCall. McCall didn't even get his until after they found the Helm core in 3028.

I am reasonably sure this is incorrect, but I may also be remembering TRO:3025 fluff which is really not a good thing to be determining what's 'correct' or not. There's this random fun-fact type thing bouncing around in my head that the CC had almost as many Highlanders as Catapults immediately after the 4SW. That may be more of a commentary on the state of the CCAF post-4SW than the number of Highlanders.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

None of my favorite 'Mechs are in this game (yet), but I think the Centurion is the best 'Mech currently available.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Skoll posted:

From a TT Standpoint? Nightstar.

This isn't how you spell "Hellbringer".

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

I would actually say the JLN-5C Juliano is a strong contender for Best 'Mech.

For those of you who don't follow 3145 and associated bullshit (which I really enjoy), it's a 4/6 95 ton Assault with three Clan ER Large Lasers, three Clan Medium Pulse Lasers, and four Clan Streak SRM-6s with max (or very near it) armor and enough heat sinks to either fire all the ERLLs or all of the close in weapons (assuming they even fire) and not run into overheat penalties. It is a vicious walking killing machine that averages upwards of 25 hits and 60 tabletop damage per turn. It's faster than and nearly as tough as an Awesome, shoots farther just as hard and twice as tough as a Kintaro with 100% more average missile hits. Its only real weakness is the IS XL Engine (allegedly; we don't have the record sheet for this one yet save that we know it's all Clan-tech weapons) and a proclivity to overheat if you decide to melt someone's face off with both missiles and lasers.

And it's a Marik 'Mech, which makes me very happy.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Cowcaster posted:

how many years after the original battletech boardgame had been published were the clans introduced?

Less than five. Lethal Heritage (edit: the novel that introduced the Clans) was published in September 1989. They were teased as early as March 1989 with Wolves on the Border.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Psion posted:

The Hauptmann has a laser cigar. How is that not peak Steiner?

The Hollander II is peak Steiner, because it has exactly one big gently caress-off gun, that it can also fire while trying to move, knock itself over, deal enough damage to itself to breach its rear torso, and detonate the gun (and itself) in a massive explosion). Kind of like whenever Steiner tries to do something important.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Skoll posted:

Look man, I have a pathological hatred of all things Clan and beyond. Don't ask me to rationalize it.

Show us on this Centurion where the Clan player touched you.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Ein Sexmonster posted:

IS XLs are fine. DHS is the #1 offender though, yes. The clan gimmick of 'more damage/range for more heat' might not be as broken then.

The problem with Clan guns is that it's typically "more damage/range for the same heat" on any comparable platform. ER PPCs, ER Large Lasers, ER Medium Lasers, Large Pulse Lasers, all the major offenders are on that list.

And then you get to Heavy Lasers, which is where some Warrior got tired of being able to out-range his target, and decided that it was poor sportsmanship to reduce the heat to compensate, so the only honorable thing to do was crank the damage/heat knob up to 12. Heavy Lasers would probably be okay and fun and good if they didn't have that bullshit +1 to hit penalty, and the Improved ones that didn't have that penalty didn't also explode for no reason.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Cowcaster posted:

see i called it the hollander ii at first but edited my post because there was nothing on sarna.net so i thought i was making it up

Hollander: a single Gauss Rifle. Not great, but not literally suicidal either.
Hollander II: a single Heavy Gauss Rifle. Literally suicidal in the most hilarious way possible.
Hollander III: actually good (and one of my favorite 'Mechs) and therefore kind of boring.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Cyrano4747 posted:

The Clans are fine as they stand in 3050: as a big bad for your PCs to have to deal with. I find the whole invasion thing inherently less compelling story wise than the 3rd SW era stuff, but even so if you're running a campaign it really dials up the challenge in a good way. As a GM you are also in a position to dole out salvage just enough to keep your players happy and viable but just slow enough that they're always just behind on the power curve and need to be creative to compensate. I mean, a good 3025 campaign also does the same thing, but you usually have to be a bit more crafty with things like your guys being a merc unit way behind enemy lines dependent on scrounging and hit or run or whatever.

The problems come in when all that poo poo naturally power creeps the gently caress out of everything and advanced IS equipment becomes common enough that it's less "holy poo poo how are we going to deal with this" and more "eh, our crap is slightly worse but not enough to really hurt and oh hey we've got a salvaged Mad Cat anyway."

I would agree with this is BattleTech as a setting hadn't bothered advancing past 3052 or so. But it did, and the Clans couldn't be the deliberately Super-OP bad guys forever, or the question of "why haven't they conquered everything yet?" becomes a lot harder to answer, and combined with the questions "if the Inner Sphere figured out how to build <LosTech> again why doesn't everything use them?" and "Why haven't they salvaged any of this awesome Clan stuff?" don't help.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

A large part of it, I think, is that everybody's players want to be the kickass premier Merc units, where downing a single Clan 'Mech means 1) big money for days and 2) your probably-better-than-Clan pilot gets to turn the tables because winning is fun and losing repeatedly generally isn't.

I imagine the general response to it is "but scarcity is dumb!" (which isn't entirely wrong), but that kind of thing is almost wholly taken care of by either the employer demanding full salvage rights (but offering ~85%+ BLC [Battle-Loss Compensation, for the uninitiated]) so you don't get to keep that shiny new ER Medium Laser without getting a breach of contract, or by playing the beleaguered House unit that doesn't get to gently caress off back to Outreach or Galatea for three months after one battle to refit and repair. Even well into the Civil War or Jihad those are both reasonable things when fighting Clan units, and once into the Jihad finding a safe port in a storm becomes a mini-campaign in and of itself.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

I would be genuinely all the gently caress over an infantry game for BattleTech. Pull security for DropPorts, escort VIPs, go guerilla to oppose a planetary invasion, all while doing it at a scale where a single Locust can seriously gently caress Your poo poo Up if you don't have a good drat plan for it right drat now.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

The Unseen Marauder sucks.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

That's a reasonable bare-bones explanation of it, yes. In general terms, "Unseen" are 'Mechs that originated either from other IPs or from outside development whose images and likeness are no longer used. They're not actually all in copyright hell, though, because a couple were designed for use by FASA but were not commissioned 'in-house', like the Nexus.

"Reseen" is a term I no longer use, but for decades referred to the updated artwork used to represent those units later in the timeline. I prefer "Phoenix" designs, because the FASA rebrand and push for the new artwork was called "Project Phoenix".

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Personally, I like to pretend that CT cored 'Mechs aren't actually unsalvageable, just that the modifier to repair that CT internal structure is like +5 or something prohibitively high for in the field ops. You might get to roll boxcars in the field, but more likely you're going to have to take like four days with a decent tech team in a dropship bay at minimum to have a decent chance of repairing it well enough to use. Not gone gone, but 'gone' as far as the current operation/contract cares.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Zaodai posted:

It doesn't matter if they can match the reseen to the old infringing model, because the names didn't change. That's not a difficult task (although apparently it is for the braindead monkeys at Harmony Gold). The names weren't what was infringing anyway. The new models are far different than old lovely anime, so that will get laughed out of court if it ever goes.

I think the true comedy scenario would be if, based on ultimately the license for Battletech being leased from Microsoft, that Microsoft would get involved. Harmony Gold lives off making GBS threads on small time devs that don't really have the funds to fight back. If MS jumped in, Harmony Gold would basically have two options: Drop their suit, weakening all future cash-grab claims, or get obliterated in court by an opponent they can't possibly run out of money.

Now, I don't think that will happen. But it would be hilarious if it did.

The best possible outcome.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

A.o.D. posted:

A better comparison is that C-bills are more like the Solidus of the dominate era Roman empire and the various House currencies are like the denarius of various eras, either relatively valuable or inflated garbage depending on the economy of the time, relative to the absolute stability of the c-bill.

That "absolute stability" gets thrown in the garbage post-3132 though. So much for that.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Fallout 3's story annoyed the poo poo out of me for exactly the reason Zaodai is describing. Y'all need to chill the gently caress out before you get mad about somebody not liking one particular aspect of a game.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Why is "I wish I could just play a mercenary company instead of a linear campaign" a controversial comment in this, a thread about a BattleTech game?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Cyrano4747 posted:

It's not, but we're kind of way past the point where that is a worthwhile topic of conversation for this particular game. I mean, I can wish all I want that CoD WWII was a RTS with RPG elements, but it's not, and talking about how much I wish it was another game doesn't really contribute to a discussion of the game as it exists.

We have a really clear idea what the game is going to be at this point. We've played the tactical level battles. We've seen videos of others playing story missions. We have a broad outline of what that story is going to be, and we've even got a fair idea (thanks to concept art etc) of what the actual between-battles game cycle is going to be. There really aren't any surprises left if you've been following the development at all.

We can theory craft our ultimate BT game all we want, but this is the game that got made. Maybe people think that sucks, but at this point it's pretty much just don't buy the game if you don't like it. They were way up front with people about what kind of game they were making during the kickstarter, so I'm not quite sure why anyone who was paying attention back then would be scratching their head at what we got now.

Still a strawman, even if you took a few more minutes to type it. Are you guys even actually reading Zaodai's posts? He doesn't want a different game, he wants his "gently caress off to nowhere and do merc things" story branch which is already a thing to have an acknowledgement message.

That's literally it.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Voyager I posted:

People can make that choice, and it would be neat if the game found a way to acknowledge it somewhere, but from the perspective of game design it is absolutely not something the developers should be providing with any kind of direct encouragement because people are dumb and will ruin the game for themselves no matter how clearly you try to warn them.

Why the gently caress should I care about dumb people ruining the game for themselves?





No really, serious question. "Oh, I shouldn't have done that, let me reload my last save" is not a hard concept to realize. If it's early enough in the campaign, starting a whole new game wouldn't even be that egregious. And if someone is mad enough at something they didn't have to do, that they could very easily and with little effort been told explicitly what would happen, and still got mad enough for it to matter, then why the hell do you want their continued (dumb) patronage?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Rygar201 posted:

Hurrr. I'm not sure why you're being so belligerently dense about this

Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle. I'm sure you'll hit it off great.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Strategic Operations is the BattleTech rulebook that includes campaign, maintenance, repair and refit rules, and rules for quirks. Quirks can be positive or negative, and include things like 'Mechs that are easier/harder to pilot, are more/less capable in melee than their actuators suggest, are good at shooting at aircraft, have an extra seat, etc.

Things that are *slightly* different from their construction stats without actually being constructed differently.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

It would be best if BattleTech's entire system could be overhauled for the not-1980s, as long as we're submitting wishes.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

The Deep Periphery being explored as if colonization had never stopped would go a long way toward making the stark contrast between "Federal Brigade Bonanza" that is the Civil War and beyond, and the "Raid a planet with three damaged 'Mechs and a scout tank because yours is out of water" that is the 3rd Succession War.

Strictly limiting the boundaries of inhabited space worth giving a drat severely curtailed the creative space in BT's story.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

"Tall" does not inherently mean "slender". Despite its brief screentime, the Atlas from the MW3 intro is probably the most outright intimidating any of its incarnations have managed to be.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

I mentioned MW3 because its appearance is enough to make a Mad Cat recoil in surprise and backpedal helplessly from it. Intimidation isn't looks alone, and there hasn't been an effective representation of what an Atlas can do psychologically outside of that specific instance that I'm aware.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Major Spag posted:

Did I do this right? Am I contributing?



I'm the Blood Angels codex underneath.

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Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Taintrunner posted:

I ordered some minis and I'll have the joy of playing straight Battletech rear end Battletech, the board game, in a couple of weeks with some strangers I found on Meetup. I figure 4 of varying classes is a good set to bring? Atlas, Bushwacker, Roadrunner, Mad Cat Mk 3.

That's an eclectic mix of chassis right there. Be careful not to let your Roadrunner get caught out by itself, because it won't last very long if anything looks at it for more than a few seconds.

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