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No need to risk martian ground forces, destroy the targets from orbit with ship weapons. This is a war, civilians die. Better it be the IC that die than Martians. On a different note I was looking at Saturn and 75% of the atmosphere is Hydrogen with the rest being helium with some negligible other materials. if we could set a fire among the atmosphere that should cause one really big explosion, if the mining facilities are in the atmosphere then it should wreck them right and we can always build new ones later once everything settles down.
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Yessss. The Serial Savior will serve her new fleet well. Given what we know now, we should plan the main fleet's departure for as soon as Naomi is ready. That means pushing the Musk and Mayers out immediately since they're rearmed. 9th CruDiv and the marines can meet us near Saturn. We'll want to do ground assaults to take the political objectives. Avoiding Martian Marine casualties is tempting in the short term, but the massive civilian casualties caused by a purely orbital bombardment would risk turning Earth against us. As long as the war remains between us and the IC, we've got a good shot at winning things. If the IC and Earth team up against us... well, at least I can die with the knowledge that Mars's brave sons will die well. 2:1 odds are not realistically survivable. LLSix fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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We're not gonna be able to set Saturn on fire, sorry. No oxygen for the hydrogen to combust with. I guess it's theoretically possible to get some kind of fusion chain reaction going on, but that is well beyond our tech levels. Re: working with Senator Warcrimes and his cabal, I'm all for it. Once we secure the system, the Marines can head in, or we can crack open some cans of sunshine, or do whatever needs doing. Doesn't change the first phase of the plan no matter what, at least. Let's capture Saturn, and then figure out what to do with it from there.
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The lack of oxygen precludes setting all of Saturn on fire. I think we should do as the hardliner says and drop marines all over the place. For the glory of Marskind.
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Jul 20, 2017 01:06
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Nuking civilians is just loving dumb besides being horrible.
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Besides, that message is obviously not realistic. Senator Warcrimes is trying to set us up. Of course the IC doesn't have unions.
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Jul 20, 2017 01:25
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Great LP! Can you add me to the list of prospective captains? Ship preference is a mainline combat vessel, the bigger the better, named Ocean. Thanks!
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Since I realized I sadly do not have the proper "stern military voice" I was looking for in my rousing speech it's going to be in message format. Pity that. To All Members Of The Outer Fleet: Sons and Daughters of Mars. We stand at a turning point in the history of our people. Though we have shown the cowards in the Interstellar Corporation the true might of our people by annihilating the fleet that dared to attack Triton, they have decided that they no longer wish to fight an honorable or just war. In the past few days they have launched a long-ranged assault on Mars Himself, having come to the rightful conclusion that their fleets cannot hope to match our own. They believe that by attacking our dream of a new Eden, they have demoralized us, taken away our will to fight. They are wrong. Those who were slain by our cowardly enemies cry out for vengeance! The living call for revenge against those who would attempt to deny us our vision! Mars Himself thirsts for the strength of his people! And we shall answer those cries. As we speak, we are beginning preparations for the largest assault on Interstellar Corporation space yet, codenamed "Operation Sherman." The cowards in their ivory towers have shown us that they are more than willing to flout the rules of war, flagrantly striking at our very heart. They believe they understand what it means to fight a war. We are going to show them the fury of Mars and as their ships burn, as their defenses crumble, as their leaders watch helplessly as we bring them to ruin- They will understand what war truly is. Glory To Mars! Glory to our dream of a New Eden! And death to those who stand against us!
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Jul 20, 2017 03:09
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Operation Sherman's Vengeance . I'm sure our marines could arrange for an unfortunate Sorium tanker "accident" on Titan.
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In regards to the request The Sherman plan is not entirely incompatible with the special request, our goal is to capture the system intact... initially at least. If we immediately burn Saturn to the ground, the IC have no incentive to attempt to relieve the system and weaken the defenses around Jupiter and risk losing the capitol to the Martian Home Fleet. Having the system captured without destruction keeps its value to not just the IC, but Mars as well especially if their are elements on Titan who might be willing to align the Saturnine system with Mars over the IC, as after the IC is dealt with Earth is remaining unscathed by our conflict. In regards to the attacking Titan with our ground forces, I say we can target the IC garrison with orbital bombardment as they are a valid military target, its not genocide its collateral damage. launch a limited strike, to show we can wipe them out from orbit and request their surrender. The IC forces we have faced have honestly been pretty reasonable about surrendering rather than fighting on hopelessly. The garrison would be dead before relief could arrive, and we would be just as justified wiping them out as the IC could be in attacking Mars with the Boomers. Alternatively we could soften them up at least a little if collateral damage is too high so at least their are fewer defenders for us to kill on the ground. In my opinion the risk of losing some ground soldiers is acceptable to establishing control over a functional Saturnine system. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 04:19
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So what is the internal structure of IC like anyway?
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I updated the orders with what appears to be the consensus on Discord. Basically we'll land troops and only bombard to destroy military targets. But we will have to bombard; not only to neutralize the PDCs so we can secure the space, but to defeat whatever ground troops oppose the landings. Our ground force really isn't very big so orbital firepower will be necessary. Collateral damage is inevitable but we're not going into warcrimes mode.
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Jul 20, 2017 06:39
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GunnerJ posted:So what is the internal structure of IC like anyway? 
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Jul 20, 2017 12:09
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"Yeeeeaaaah, listen, I'm going to need you to come in on Saturday so we can launch that raid."
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We might want to consider pulling our infantry back from S-T if we are gonna do this, but only if we want to bring more than just marines. I agree that using ground forces is the best way. Seems like it might discourage our collaborators if we start nuking civies.
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Jul 20, 2017 14:11
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I'll definitely give that speech a go when I get home.
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Jul 20, 2017 14:19
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xthetenth posted:I'll definitely give that speech a go when I get home. You're good people. I wish I had the voice for that but mine's a bit too high-pitched to convincingly sound like a general calling for blood and death.
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Jul 20, 2017 14:42
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I can also give that speech a shot
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Make that 3 people giving the speech a shot, check your inbox Snark.
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Lunar Broadcast Network Special report: Crisis on Patroclus! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQAzGSFCMvo Credit to Cryo for the voicing. --------------------------------- From a quick count it looks like the winner is Saturn and operation Sherman, with perhaps a twist of vengance. I should hopefully have some time to run it this evening so please make any last minute tweaks to the plan now! Saros fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Jul 21, 2017 13:54
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Whatever we do I vote against warcrimes.
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Jul 21, 2017 14:14
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If we can get some SB support via jamming gear, Senator Warcrimes' plan would be less risky. Otherwise, I vote sticking to Vanilla Sherman.
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Jul 21, 2017 14:39
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Operation Vengeance sounds fun but we need all our marines at Saturn. So unless we stumble onto a freighter on the way there, I say leave it out.
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Crazyeyes24 posted:If we can get some SB support via jamming gear, Senator Warcrimes' plan would be less risky. Otherwise, I vote sticking to Vanilla Sherman. Senator Warcrimes actually chairs the oversight comittee for special branch so you can count on their support. If you'd chosen the special branch option instead of the outer system he would have been your boss 
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Jul 21, 2017 16:54
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What's the training level of our new recruits set at, and can we bump it up a notch or is that beyond our paygrade? Higher starting crew grades seem like they would mesh well with our quality over quantity approach.
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Saros posted:Senator Warcrimes actually chairs the oversight comittee for special branch so you can count on their support. If you'd chosen the special branch option instead of the outer system he would have been your boss We missed out on the best timeline then.
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Crazyeyes24 posted:If we can get some SB support via jamming gear, Senator Warcrimes' plan would be less risky. Otherwise, I vote sticking to Vanilla Sherman. Just want to say I'm prepared to drop that part of the plan too if things don't look right when we get to Saturn. We've been told to expect strong enemy resistance on the ground, and we really don't have a lot of troops. It's possible that winning a ground battle won't be feasible without massive bombardments and heavy collateral damage. We also have to consider time; each round of ground combat takes five days, and even if we can win we don't want to spend weeks securing the system.
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If they won't surrender to our ground forces in a reasonable time, we nuke them until they either do or they're all dead. The IC showed no compunction at striking at the terraformers, why should we show them any mercy? Strikes on the terraformers is not only a strike at our civilian population today, it is an attack at every civilian who ever will live on Mars. The loss of a few million corporate drones in an office block somewhere is not only proportionate, it is in my eyes a mercy to free them from the drudgery of their wage slave existence.
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Pharnakes posted:If they won't surrender to our ground forces in a reasonable time, we nuke them until they either do or they're all dead. The IC showed no compunction at striking at the terraformers, why should we show them any mercy? Strikes on the terraformers is not only a strike at our civilian population today, it is an attack at every civilian who ever will live on Mars. The loss of a few million corporate drones in an office block somewhere is not only proportionate, it is in my eyes a mercy to free them from the drudgery of their wage slave existence. I think its more of a plot thing that a part of the game hes setting up where our soldiers need to destory certain things on the ground, not take the moon. We do not have enough forces to take the moon without murdering most of the civilians. Right now I'm think we are mainly keeping our options open seeing if this is actually a good option or not.
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I'm all against war crimes. We have allies on the inside and they have friends and family living on Saturn. (Spacers union or whatever it's called) Take the system, incapacitate all space based defences, tug away their loving naval yard and precision strike with marines and the assault troops. Maybe we can't take their most well fortified positions but we can and will take any outlying station or poorly defended moon. We have a couple of weeks before any meaningful response arrives from the IC and our ships are faster anyway.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:48
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Pharnakes posted:If they won't surrender to our ground forces in a reasonable time, we nuke them until they either do or they're all dead. The IC showed no compunction at striking at the terraformers, why should we show them any mercy? Strikes on the terraformers is not only a strike at our civilian population today, it is an attack at every civilian who ever will live on Mars. The loss of a few million corporate drones in an office block somewhere is not only proportionate, it is in my eyes a mercy to free them from the drudgery of their wage slave existence. Pharnakes brings up some good points regarding IC and their perfidy. We should not bother overmuch about these or any megacorp stooges. Try not to think of them as people. As soon as we figure out how to get enough oxygen to Saturn to set it on fire, we'll probably do that. For the glory of Marskind, and in accordance with the purity of our precious bodily fluids, which came from melted ice caps on holy Mars and nowhere else, except for maybe a comet that one time.
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Jul 21, 2017 20:51
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Do we have to do this.
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Affi posted:We have a couple of weeks before any meaningful response arrives from the IC and our ships are faster anyway.
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GunnerJ posted:Do we have to do this. Absolutely. They tried to steal not only the present from us but the future too. There could be no such thing as an excessive response to such a reprehensible and cowardly act. Those boomers are out there somewhere, rearming as we speak. The IC obviously feel our second strike capability is not sufficient to dissuade them from making such attacks. We must show them how wrong they are.
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Jul 21, 2017 21:08
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Not really what I meant but OK.
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Jul 21, 2017 21:10
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Also if they send out ships from Jupiter it's exactly what we want to happen, so that maybe the inner fleet does something besides small raids and skirmishes.
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Jul 21, 2017 21:12
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I agree - The IC was willing to strike at our most vulnerable, this is already a dirty war. We shouldn't be just terror bombing, but collateral damage in pursuit of valid military objectives shouldn't be shied from.
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Pharnakes posted:Absolutely. They tried to steal not only the present from us but the future too. There could be no such thing as an excessive response to such a reprehensible and cowardly act. Those boomers are out there somewhere, rearming as we speak. The IC obviously feel our second strike capability is not sufficient to dissuade them from making such attacks. We must show them how wrong they are. Mars-Jupiter is currently about 700m km which is unfortunately outside of the range of your mars based interplanetary missiles which were designed with earth-mars transits in mind. However work is ongoing on modifications to them and within a month or so they will be able to target Jupiter space. Whether anyone is prepared to indiscriminately target civilian populations at that point is another matter.
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We're fanatics, No? They tried to strike at our very survivability as a planet, I'm sure jingoism is at a peak.
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Current Martian public opinion sways between 'nuclear fire is too good for them' and 'perhaps not everyone is at fault so when we nuke them we should be a little bit careful.'
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