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Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Interstellar Corporation. Earth's time has passed, and Mars can be bros but the real future is out here on the bleeding edge. Also, sign me up for command of either something exotic or a main line combat ship.

Seconding the recommendation for everyone to go read BG's wondrous LP that's technically not even dead yet (no you can't convince me otherwise I'll still believe until the day it's archived ).

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Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




I mean, Expanse fanfic or not we get to shoot things up in Aurora and that's a good time in my book.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Give Cathode and I joint command of a ship and let us go on a crusade to save the Space Whales.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Who in their right mind would look at this wonderful Expanse fanfic and not choose to play as the OPA? The IC's got aliens, the highest potential for Space Communism, the highest potential for leaving the solar system first, and all the sorium under their thumbs.

I mean, c'mon, between Starship Trooper, Maoist China, and The Culture which would you rather tool around the galaxy with

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at May 30, 2017 around 23:57

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




B- VIP's are so deliciously tantalizing. Beyond that the IC is obviously well in advance of us technologically, and capturing a third example of that freaky-rear end energy field for the eggheads to play with would be a godsend. And that's not even thinking about what other, less obvious, toys they might have for us to play with.

B- The 3rd Fleet is cruising in slow and steady to say under the radar. At this point, the IC is committed, and we should let them fly their big expensive ships right into the jaws of a superior fleet lurking invisible on their flank. They'll either be forced to back off(boring but practical), surrender (best case, means we get their toys), or cause a major incident/engagement that they'll inevitably lose (and leave wreckage for us to pick apart in search of toys) - no matter what, we come out ahead somehow.

B- Please don't nuke the historical site and turn a firmly allied Earth against us right now, tia

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at Jun 5, 2017 around 02:25

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Thought: Should we detach a destroyer to go investigate that 400 ton sensor ghost we just got a quick blip of? It's very possible both within Aurora and the universe's fiction that it was a fighter or FAC or shuttle or something, and is what the VIP is actually on while hoping we chase after the larger ship claiming to have them aboard.

E: drat it you beat me to it

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




At the bare minimum it could be feeding whatever it sees to the incoming IC forces, so chasing it away would reduce their intel if nothing else.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Yeah the bombardment will mainly just 1) kill civilians and blow up infrastructure that we could be using and 2) majorly piss off our staunch ally (in this specific case) when we glass their historical site. This is still technically a cold war, and diplomacy is paramount. The inner planets presenting a united front against a bunch of jumped-up rockhoppers in the outer system is vital. Let's not introduce any cracks into the facade just yet.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Seriously, you start a hot war and the interplanetary missiles start flying and suddenly Mars just got half its dome cities cracked open with billions dead. This is not the time to start one.

Also, the enemy corvette can't get through our PD and we can outrun it, why NOT go for the capture at this point? Add a conditional to destroy it or run away if the enemy fleet gets too close but at least make an attempt.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




RIP our alliance with Earth, you were too fragile for the goonmind's touch.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




So we're gonna glass the historical site that's keeping Earth on our side, and let the corvette that we've demonstrated can be easily overtaken and outgunned get away.

To be fair, welcome to SA I guess.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Comets are usually stuffed chock-full of TNE's, so getting to keep Tempel would have been a nice bonus. You're right, though, our main mission was to expose the IC and burn down their listening post before they could peep on anything important, and we accomplished that rather swimmingly.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




The Special Branch is gonna have some rather interesting shenanigans for us to get up to, I'd imagine.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Once the IC convoy leaves S-T and heads rimwards, the only imaginable destination for them is Pluto so that's when we should act. Don't want to overplay our hand, acting like we know they're headed to Pluto before they leave S-T could compromise whatever channel we got that intel through. Double check with Earth first to make sure that they aren't on board with the IC taking their iceball, then dial up the convoy and say "wtf are y'all doing" or intercept them or whatever.

Definitely, no matter what, DON'T LET ANYONE NUKE THE loving PARADIGM SHIFTING ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE. Both trigger happy goons and "if we can't have it neither can you" IC captains. Preferably we don't even let the convoy get there so there's no need for a ground battle amongst the strange alien ruins that, with our luck, are probably hyper-advanced killbots who'll reactivate if we start shooting around them or whatever.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Let Earth know, but only AFTER we're the only possible people who could stop them in time. If we tip them off right away, Earth can probably scramble a fleet from the inner system to catch up in time. If the IC convoy gets out into the Kuiper belt before we tip them off, we can be the only Inners able to catch them and force Earth to work with us.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Pink Elephant

The IC convoy must not be allowed to reach Pluto, lest they unleash the terrible secret of space.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Is the whole "keep the IC from locking down the most important discovery in human history except maybe fire and/or agriculture" not convincing enough for some people?

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Alright so we've got a little bit of the ol' Donkey Balls going on. Let's hope that the Special Branch won't mess up our plans too much, at least.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Cooperate with the spooks. Saying no to them usually pisses off important people, and helping out earns you favors with those same people.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Oh those bastards. Are they taking over Swift-Tuttle and spacing all our friends? Can we move in and demand they stop?

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




So do the spooks still have something to board, or did wrecking that cruiser doom all the podheads to a slow lonely death as they zip off into the Oort Cloud at .03c?

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Definitely. But once we finish tearing this IC fleet to shreds we should give the now stranded occupiers of S-T a chance to surrender before we dispatch any Marines.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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The ships that got damaged can fix up their broken internals with a bit of time and be mostly alright with the light casualties they've taken, but the armor they've lost is never coming back without shipyard time. They can move with the fleet, and in a real pinch fight with it, but getting into a fight with your armor pre-breached and the crew shorthanded is barely this side of suicidal.

Don't get me wrong, we're way better off than if they'd been outright destroyed, but they've basically been mission killed until they can get back to a shipyard and have new armor slapped on.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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That went rather well.

So what exactly did we capture? I'm trying to parse out the screenshots. The Shell tanker we shot up but didn't destroy, two troop transports, three freighters, and the two missile ships the SB nabbed? Also glad we captured the cargo ships rather than destroying them, they're probably full of PDC's and infrastructure that they were gonna plop on Pluto. Hopefully we can show them to Earth and say "See? We just saved your colony, you're welcome."

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at Jun 17, 2017 around 14:25

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Oh man, as much as I would love to get in the game, I'm a huge logistics nerd so I gotta vote for Gibraltar. We're in this for the long haul, being able to patch things up on site will be super useful as time goes on. poo poo, we can probably even repair and/or disassemble anything we capture, too, instead of having to send it all back to Mars.

Also I just wanna boot Quinn out of his comfy Dustside posting to freeze his rear end off out there with the rest of y'all. More room for me in the Deimos O-Club.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




At the bare minimum, having our dudes sail directly away from missiles in the terminal phase will reduce their closing velocity and let PD zap them better. Unless I'm mis-remembering how Aurora works, which is very possible.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Yeah, like I said, we're here to stay. Getting a repair yard out here now before things get any hotter is a smart move, because if the IC starts getting serious we may not be able to drag a slow repair yard out through their territory. High Command can send more ships whenever, running an enemy gauntlet is kind of what warships are built to do. A repair yard can't, so let's get it while we can.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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What a completely unexpected turn of events. Who could have ever predicted something like this?

Question for intel:
Do we think the IC has interplanetary missiles (or other similarly ranged weapons) that could retaliate if we shot a few of our own interplanetary missiles at them? Obviously we don't want to scourge the outer planets clean in a torrent of nuclear hellfire, but popping a couple big gas mining platforms or something would be a suitable response.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Definitely take the new toys back to Mars and strip them down for goodies, the long term benefits of getting the tech data out of them is way more important than a few extra guns on the line right now.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Operation Whistleblower

Detach two destroyers as escorts for the SB.

Tow one of the captured missile destroyers next to S-T to set up a blockade and rearm it with Martian missiles just in case.
- Ask the SB if they can hook us up with IC communications info or a transponder code or compliant prisoners or whatever the hell else we'd need to make everyone back on Saturn think that destroyer is still under IC control, even if just for a little while
- If they can pull that off, attempt to destroy or disable long-range transmitters on S-T (burn them away with CIWS, land a SB spec-ops team, whatever it is be very delicate, definitely don't bombard the colony).
The end goal here is to make the IC think that their attack succeeded, if just barely. Feed them some bullshit about a Martian counterattack that they barely managed to repel, at the expense of everyone but the damaged missile destroyer. No, sorry, you can't talk to the colony, S-T's long range transmitters were destroyed in the fighting. We can pass along a message, though. Keep up the charade as long as possible, even if it probably won't last forever.

Send the rest of TF Dumbo back to Triton for repair and rearm, preferably with the other missile destroyer in tow.

The Marine task force is to form up with a brigade of assault troops from Triton and one salvager as TF Serpico. TF Serpico is to proceed to S-T and attempt a liberation of the colony and salvage of nearby wrecks. If they encounter enemy fleet elements on the way, whether to fight their way through or abort is left to the discretion of the TF commander.


UPDATE: Merged with Pash's plan

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2017 around 14:39

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Yeah looking at their specs it's way overkill, I removed it from mine.

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at Jun 20, 2017 around 20:11

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




Saros posted:

Do you want to transfer some missiles to the captured destroyer we are leaving behind?

Yes, thanks for reminding me. Edited that in for clarity.

Also, Pash, the only real difference between our plans at this point is that yours has a fleet scout picketing Titania and an explicit provision to keep the repair yard safe, while mine has the scheme with the captured destroyer. I'm fine with both of your differences, if you're ok with mine do you want to just merge them into Operation Whistleblowing Rabbit or whatever?

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2017 around 12:01

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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The liberation task force is gonna be have orders to turn around and run for home if they see anything they can't handle. If they get to S-T unopposed or with light resistance they can brush off, great, we liberated our friends. If they have to turn around, oh well, at least we tried instead of sitting on our hands. Even just making the effort shows all our other indie friends that we're actually committed to them. Nobody's expecting us to sail into suicidal odds and pray, just try.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




We can see people coming from literally a week away as long as the fleet scout is watching Titania, they're not gonna catch us with our pants down on S-T. And even if they do, through taking the long way around or bullshit tech or whatever, the Marine TF has sensors decent enough to see anyone they can't handle coming with enough time to reload the troops and bug out.

Re: Holding it, I agree with Pash. The IC would have to divert resources to it again, which they're less likely to do now that their first convoy was destroyed in detail and we're beating them to Pluto. On top of that, the reason S-T fell so quickly was because they weren't expecting an attack, I imagine the next time the IC is in the neighborhood the locals will be a hell of a lot less welcoming. Plus, if we leave the captured missile destroyer in orbit, it's actually a pretty decent PDC knockoff. It won't be able to weather any return fire, but a 50 missile alpha strike is gonna vaporize at least a cruiser, which I say is a fair enough trade if they really want S-T back.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Did we find anything damning in the holds of those captured freighters? The fact that we captured both a construction brigade and combat engineers pretty much confirms my suspicions that they were hauling PDC's to Pluto, but by some miracle were there not PDC's in the holds? Or if there were, was there anything else?

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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I hope they did give us a free PDC or two, that'd be a great way to neatly sidestep the whole "how do we hold S-T if they want it back" conundrum.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

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Yes, bait that comes pre-stuffed with missiles if we set up a PDC on it. I don't particularly care if the IC comes to take it back or not, but if they do I want them to pay for it. It's also rather nicely located to control access to Pluto. If the locals will let us set up a DSTS (or give us access to the data from theirs if they have one), it would make holding on to Pluto a hell of a lot easier. Sure, anyone wanting to sneak up on Pluto could just go way around or crawl by super slow, but that would add weeks if not months to their trip.

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at Jun 22, 2017 around 16:28

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Pluto's definitely a no-go unless Earth specifically asks us to take over protection, I agree on that.

Triton is already thoroughly protected with a massive PDC and, you know, Triton Fleet. Adding some dinky PDC's small enough to fit in just three freighters won't do much against the kind of assault that would overcome the battleship-sized PDC we've already got there, I'd much rather use them to secure FOBs like S-T (if the locals are willing) or wherever else.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?




So, Triton may be in a spot of trouble depending on how fast Dumbo can get back...

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Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

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Quick and dirty analysis of what we can see right now:
Bill Gates: We know this guy well, and have killed two of his buddies. Heavy cruiser, decent PD, mainly armed with lasers and maybe microwaves
Elon Musk: Haven't seen before, but CAG is the designation for missile cruiser
Zuckerberg: Ditto, but CAA is... probably an anti-fighter/missile cruiser, I can't remember off the top of my head for sure
Steve Jobs: Big fucker, battleship sized, because they're the IC assume it's got some bullshit like microwaves or mesons (please no) or whatever as its main weapons
Robert Ford: Munitions tender, chock full of missiles. I doubt they'd send one out just for the CAG, so it implies there's a host of those bullshit box launcher ships tagging along

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