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koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Voting Mars It is my favorite planet in the solar system.

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koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Quick question before the Op goes ahead, if we find proof that the IC are setting up an observation post on the comet but we can't occupy it are we allowed to destroy the post with weapons fire before withdrawing? Fallout should be mitigated if we release proof right? As for any civilians that may be in the target area they knew what they were getting into when that post was set up.

Also I would like command of any Cruiser preferably any missile cruisers that become available. Call it Macross One.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


B
B
A

Have the destroyers and the Cruiser CG Argyre move in to destroy the military defenses on Tempel 1 meanwhile the other cruisers move off to engage that solitary contact to the north. However, would it be possible Saros to put in a contingency order that if the unknown contact turns out to be either A) too powerful for our cruisers to defeat or B) Civilian or Terran they withhold from engaging but demand why it is in the vicinity?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Remember it isn't war crimes if we win and write the history books.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


A
A
A

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Bah, we appear to have a large number of yellow bellied men and women among our ranks, such a sickening thought. Pure martian men died due to those corvettes actions and you voted to let the last escape. Pitiful. Hopefully we can make those IC Tempel 1 defenders pay for their superiors mistakes.

Pharnakes posted:

Right, so assuming the site is glassed what's our damage control? Do you think we could get away with throwing HannibalBarca under the bus and claiming the one casualty was his relation and he went rogue and bombarded Tempel against orders?


What!! of course we don't turn on our own we blame the IC for not surrendering to clear odds being stacked against them and inform Terra that any damage sustained on the landing site is clearly ICs fault for trying to use it as a defense.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Outer
Inner
Special

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Saros two questions for you:

1) Does the independent colony of Swift-Tuttle like us enough to say delay the IC ships from leaving dock even if only for a short while? if yes then it could gain us a little more time to hit that convoy without them gaining reinforcements.

2) Are their any independent forces known to operate in this area of space in particular any would be space pirates?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Battle Plan: Pink Elephant

Battle Map:


Task Force Dumbo (Yellow arrow)

Main Objectives:
Destruction of IC transports

Secondary Objectives:
Destruction of IC combat vessels

Units:

Battle Cruiser
Light carrier
Three Gun Destroyers.
One Fleet Scout
One Brawler Cruiser
One Anti-Fighter Cruiser
Two Anti-missile Light Cruisers, One of each type

Plan:

Task Force Dumbo is to leave Triton Base and head towards Pluto and after reaching the point donated on the map are to bend and move between Swift Tuttle and Pluto. They are to intercept and destroy the convoy, everything except the Light Carrier are to concentrate on destroying and distracting the IC military escorts. The Light Carrier is to use its fighter complement to destroy all of the transport vessels travelling in the convoy. Once destruction of all transport capability has been confirmed then friendly units are to either continue to focus on destruction of IC military forces or break off if the fight is not going our way or enemy reinforcements are inbound. Return to Triton Base on completion of mission.

Task Force Goofy (Red arrow)

Task Force Goofy's mission has changed following recent intel.

Main Objectives:
Reconnaissance of IC Uranus facilities and fleet assets.

Secondary Objectives:
Destruction of IC combat vessels and IC infrastructure if possible.


Units:

One Fleet Scout
One Missile Cruiser
Three Missile Destroyers
Two Anti-missile Light Cruisers, One of each type

Plan:

Task Force Goofy is to approach Uranus with the Gale class scout scanning for hostile warships, infrastructure and support/mining facilities/ships and transports. The mission priority is to gather intel however, if the opportunity presents itself then targets of opportunity are to be engaged and destroyed if it will not endanger our vessels too badly. Discretion of engaging or not should be left to the Task Force commander.Once reconnaissance of Uranus has been completed and any available targets have been destroyed or the enemy sally to engage the Task Force then the Task Force is to retreat to Triton Base.

koolkevz666 fucked around with this message at Jun 12, 2017 around 18:07

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Saros posted:

It's probably worth noting that this plan is going to result in a lot of civilian casualties as there is a population of about 8 million of Titania. Also that the max range of the standard missiles carried by your Cruisers/Destroyers is only 40m km and that any missile PDC's will likely outrange your missile ships by a significant amount (look at the large missiles carried by your own Trident PDC as an example) which means exposing the attacking ships to a lot of fire before htey can even get in range to return it.

Oh and before I forget shipyards count as orbital instalations so can be fired upon without causing civillian damage.

Ah that changes things then, guess I will rework the plan for Titania those ground defenses would cause too many problems. Thanks for the info.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


I've updated Pink Elephant slightly to include a recon run and possible missile strike against IC assets if it doesn't endanger the Task Force. If this changes anyone's vote or if they disagree/have suggestions please let me know.

Also good choice of GIF Saros being that is from the Dumbo Disney movie. It's when Dumbo gets drunk.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


The IC cruiser at the colony is docked you say. Hmm interesting. First question what sort of military complement does Swift Tuttle have? And second regardless of the answer to the first how much would it cost to get the administration of the colony to bum rush that cruiser with armed workers, security and any military in an attempt to acquire the vessel for the martians?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Operational Adjustments

Adjustment Hell No!

This calls for us to ignore the Special Branch's request and to continue on with our original battle plan. Where we intercept the convoy somewhere past Swift Tuttle.

Pros:

Swift Tuttle Administration and other independents don't get angry with us.
No need to hold our fire so less risk of damage/destruction to our vessels.
Still allows us to claim the higher moral ground with Terra.

Cons:

Lose the chance at getting that sweet sweet IC data.
No round of Space Beer from the Special Ops guys.


Adjustment Hell Yeah!

This calls for us to accept the Special Branch's request and to engage the convoy near Swift Tuttle.

Pros:

Chance to get that sweet Data.
Free round of Space Beer from the Special Ops guys.
Closer to Neptune so easier to call reinforcements/retreat when needed.

Cons:

Swift Tuttle Administration angered as well as other independents.
Possible damage to colony and loss of civilian life depending on distance from colony.
Closer to Saturn/Uranus making it easier for IC to send reinforcements if warning is sent.
Higher risk of damage to our ships.
Destruction of all enemy assets required.
Lose chance to claim Higher moral ground with Terra.


Adjustment Hell Maybe!

This calls for us to possibly accept the Special Branch's request. We engage the convoy a middle distance between Swift Tuttle and Pluto. While our Task Force swings in and engages the convoy the SB approaches from the direction of Swift Tuttle possibly with some suupport to cut off their retreat.

Pros:

Chance again to get that Sweet Sweet Data.
Maybe Free Space Beer round.
Distance away from independent colony minimizes risk and blame to them.
Still allows us to claim the higher moral ground with Terra.


Cons:

Approach of SB may alert the enemy.
Higher risk of ship damage/destruction to us.
Maybe No free Space Beer round.
May alert the IC that we are using undercover vessels putting more of their type and civilian vessels at risk.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Saros why do we need to engage the enemy so close to Swift Tuttle, why couldn't the SB come in after we engage the convoy and escorts and board the cruiser during or after the battle? Is it to retain their cover?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Comrades I have drawn up a change in the battle plan following new information available to us. With the Sb shadowing the convoy we have the information advantage and that is why i present to you my modified second stage of Operation Pink Elephant.

Battle Map:


Plan:

With the speed advantage over the convoy and the information advantage thanks to the SB we can set the point where we choose to spring our ambush. Looking at the area around Pluto I noticed a rather large concentration of planetoids clustered together which is close to the route that the convoy will be taking to reach Pluto. As such the plan is thus we move ahead but angle of away from Pluto to hopefully make it appear like we do not have the planet set as our destination once we are away from Swift Tuttle we make a hard turn and travel to the location of the first
yellow arrow. We then go to silent running or the closest we can get to it on all our vessels and rely on the SB to show us the location of the convoy. Once the convoy comes close enough to our position we go active and move in to engage the escorts with our military vessels while the carrier's fighters engages the convoy transports.

While this is going on the other SB can move up from Swift Tuttle and begin jamming the enemy while burning for the enemy cruiser that we will disable. If the SB can not carry this out then we destroy the cruiser along with the other escorts.

So the plan would be as follows:

1. The Task Force heads for the outer belt area away from Swift Tuttle.
2. Reaching the Outer Belt Area the Task Force heads for the designated area of the first Yellow Area end point and go silent running.
3. SB boat continues to track the enemy convoy letting us know where they are.
4. Once the convoy is close to our position we go active and move out to engage.
5. During the engagement the disguised SB moves up and begins jamming and attempts to board the cruiser.
6. If 5. is not possible the cruiser is destroyed along with escorts.
7. Upon destruction of convoy escorts and if we are not capturing the cruiser then we look at the situation and decide if we want to pull back or complete destruction of the enemy.

SPECIAL WARNING

If we do choose to capture the enemy cruiser we will likely need to enact full sanitation of the enemy assets as well as potentially any civilians unfortunate enough to be in the area. This will likely include enemy life boats as it would be doubtful that we could hang around in the area as the Task Force will be needed back at Neptune. Consider this fact if we are planning on capturing the cruiser.

So there is my modified plan. Would people like to vote on this new plan or decide to go with the old plan or should we just stick with the old plan?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Nice, everything has worked well and came out in favor of our side. The damage some of our ships sustained and losing that Fighter is unfortunate but we were never going to come through this without taking some losses and damage. For now I say get those captured ships back to Neptune and see about trying to liberate S-T if we can. The later may not be possible depending on the IC response. Either way we should pass on what the IC had intended to do to Pluto to the Terrans and let them know we stopped them.

Also a big thank you Saros for fixing the rather major error with my plan by including support elements like the Tankers. Without them I would have looked stupid.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Captured Ships

While a few more ships being added to the fleet would be nice, giving them to SB so they can comb through the IC tech to help advance our own and work up counters is better in the long run. I say we let the SB keep the ships.



Swift-Tuttle colony

As much as I don't like saying this I think we need to leave Swift-Tuttle to the IC. The IC have a larger fleet and to regain ST we would need to maintain orbital supremacy around the colony , call in our our ground forces, defeat the IC troops and then some how maintain security over the colony and the space around it from a superior enemy. We just don't have the means to do this without putting our side at a greater risk. Sorry ST but we got to let IC keep it for now.



Reinforcements

Gibraltar The added repair ability without having to send vulnerable ships off to Mars is a clear winner here.

koolkevz666 fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2017 around 22:55

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Battle Plan: Happy Mice

Battle Map:


Task Force Mickey (Red Arrow)

Main Objectives:

Escort SB Force to Pluto

Secondary Objectives:

Neutralize IC assets if found

Units:

SB vessel
Two gun destroyers (Endurance Class)

Plan:

The two gun destroyers escort the SB vessel to Pluto to do their thing, keeping the SB vessel safe from harm. If when travelling to Pluto they encounter any unguarded IC shipping and it is doable they cna move off to engage and destroy IC shipping as long as it doesn't leave the SB vessel in danger.

Task Force Miney {Yellow Arrow)

Main Objectives:

Recover IC disabled assets and return them to Neptune

Units:

Battle Cruiser
Light carrier
Three Gun Destroyers.
One Fleet Scout
One Brawler Cruiser
One Anti-Fighter Cruiser
Two Anti-missile Light Cruisers, One of each type
One Fleet support tender
One disabled IC destroyer under tow

Plan:

Immediately have all fleet elements take up guard position around the Fleet support tender and escort the tender and the captured destroyer back to Neptune avoiding all and any IC contacts. The other destroyer is to be self destructed I doubt we could get the other tender out here to recover it and it isn't worth leaving it behind to be recovered by the IC. We also could probably liberate but not hold Swift Tuttle thus we must for the time being leave them to the IC. The Task Force should return to Neptune and repair and rearm for future missions.

Task Force Jerry (Dark Red Arrow)

Main Objectives:

Scout IC presence at Saturn

Units:

One Fleet Scout
One Fleet Support Tender (If required)

Plan:

The Fleet Scout takes a long circular route away from Neptune and circles around the outside of the system and makes its way towards Saturn. This is a pure recon run only so contact with IC vessels is to be avoided at all times, the Fleet Scout is to safely identify what it can of IC assets at Saturn before returning to base. If required the remaining Fleet tender is to go with the Fleet Scout if it will require a refuel to carry out its mission.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Crazycryodude posted:

The liberation task force is gonna be have orders to turn around and run for home if they see anything they can't handle. If they get to S-T unopposed or with light resistance they can brush off, great, we liberated our friends. If they have to turn around, oh well, at least we tried instead of sitting on our hands. Even just making the effort show all our other indie friends that we're actually committed to them. Nobody's expecting us to sail into suicidal odds and pray, just try.

What happens if the IC arrive in the middle of the operation though? Also does anyone have any plans for how to hold the colony after we liberate it?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Engage with our fleet while they try a reload. Our bigger vessels, say anything that isn't a destroyer should engage the IC combat vessels meanwhile we should try and loop any destroyers around the flanks and have them prioritize the enemy support vessels. This is going to eb a bloody and costly fight but even if both sides take massive losses we should still have vessels in the inner system while the IC should be out of their fleet.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


FredMSloniker posted:

So does this mean that Triton getting wiped off the map by missiles is probably off the table, since the launching ship (a) lingered, suggesting that it was needed to guide them, but (b) eventually fled, suggesting that they no longer have that guidance? Or did I misread the update in some way?

I wouldn't say off the table but the missiles are likely going to be A) Less accurate and B) Easier to hit with point defense fire.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


No need to risk martian ground forces, destroy the targets from orbit with ship weapons. This is a war, civilians die. Better it be the IC that die than Martians.

On a different note I was looking at Saturn and 75% of the atmosphere is Hydrogen with the rest being helium with some negligible other materials. if we could set a fire among the atmosphere that should cause one really big explosion, if the mining facilities are in the atmosphere then it should wreck them right and we can always build new ones later once everything settles down.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


drat it people, the IC already killed many of our own people and you are crying tears over theirs? Pathetic!!! You all care more for the cries of the IC women and children than you do for our own who demand vengeance for the attacks on our own citizens. We should use this rare opportunity to strike back. Rig the transport with explosives and sail it straight into the heart of the IC positions in orbit of Titania. We shall tear these IC fools to pieces with their own equipment. They will regret attacking our people!!

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Doesn't Terra already know about the strikes against our Martian civilians by IC ground forces and their nuke attack? If so they haven't made any clear sign of going against the IC for attacking civilians so why do we think us going against the IC civilians will suddenly bring Terra against us? On a different note did we hear anything back from Terra when we told them about the IC Pluto attack attempt?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Yeah this is down to salvo versus salvo here. In regards to game mechanics how does the targeting work do the missiles lock onto the nearest target or do they get aimed at individual ships by the players? If they go for the nearest should we not try putting our more important missile ships further back from the others?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Well i'm alive but I am certain my ship is combat ineffective at this point. Saros can Macross.1 still launch and guide her remaining missiles or am I unable to?

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Scorched Titan

Look it would be nice and all to support these rebels and maybe come up with a free Saturn but some of our ships are destroyed or badly damaged whilst others are damaged. Don't forget that as Saros mentioned we are almost completely out of missiles for our ships and if the IC is smart their missiles would be incompatible with our launchers. We just don't have the strength to remain and duke it out with the IC.

On top of the state of our fleet we also have to consider the fact that we would be restricted to maintaining a position where we have to protect the workers/our ground troops giving the IC the tactical advantage in positioning and maneuvering.

A third consideration is if the Terran fleet heading outwards is under orders to say secure Saturn for Terra then we won't be in any condition to fight/hold them off after beating any IC attack.

Gentlemen we need to trash every IC asset we can and withdraw and repair our forces for the coming conflicts ahead.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Graveyard

Leave the Shivans the hell alone.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


drat it people look at this thing, just look at it okay.



When these come swarming out of the Nebula I will be giving off a hearty "told you so" before being shortly vaporized.

(Seriously though looking forward to seeing what we find and the results so far have been great.)

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


I told you!!! I bloody well told you!!! But no you wanted to go tangle with the Shivans and now here comes the first Sathanas or Lucifer class.

Look grab anything we can and withdraw and then fortify this jump point with as many weapons and ships as we can muster.

koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Saros posted:

Probably we will never know for sure. It looks a lot like a dense, possibly rocky or even metallic asteroid and its surface is vaguely red thanks to cosmic ray impacts in its voyage between the stars.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question and you are unable to answer but do you have any idea on why that asteroid is formed in such a shape? It is quite fascinating reading about it but other than a tiny snippet in BBC news I haven't had much chance to read about it.

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koolkevz666
Aug 21, 2015


Saros in the ship stats what does the Grade Bonus mean? Just curious as my ship has the second highest in Triton Fleet currently.

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