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mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


I hope it's nothing. I'd like this season to be all newbies and then do All-Stars for Season 20.

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ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC

Honestly I feel like another All-Stars at this point would be a train wreck in a bad way. Most of the people they would end up getting would probably just end up being people I mostly can't stand.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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I mean, if they could do a proper All Stars for 20 I'd be all for it but I'm actually pretty content with the BB13/14/18 setup. 4-6 vets gives you just enough favorites you can see get a second chance and enough numbers so they don't get easily ganged up on, but still more newbs so it ain't just rehashes with people who all know each other. Basically BB's answer to "Fans vs Favorites."

So like, next season bring Paul back with 3 or 5 other people who "deserve" a second chance and I'm fine with that. But I don't want him back now and I don't want him tossed into this all newb crew.

edit: I was going to name some people to put with Paul but I realized that after Vanessa and maybe Natalie I too don't want to see anyone from recent seasons back.

edit2: Ian? If nothing else it would be funny to watch those four attempt to align.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at Jun 24, 2017 around 02:32

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


Maybe round up the people who got voted out super early/first. Call it BB 2nd Chance. I think Survivor did something similar, though I don't know how that turned out.

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.


mallratcal posted:

Maybe round up the people who got voted out super early/first. Call it BB 2nd Chance. I think Survivor did something similar, though I don't know how that turned out.

I've long been calling for a season made up entirely of Week 1 and 2 eliminations from previous seasons

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I'm not a big fan of that level of arbitrariness, but I think that it would at least be an interesting experiment for Survivor since (a) so much luck factors into early boots and (b) they do 2 seasons of Survivor with huge casts every year.

With BB I think it would be a waste because we get way less seasons and smaller casts and while luck plays a factor on some basic level if you get voted out 1st or 2nd that means you spent 2 or 3 weeks living with the players and failing to form the social bonds needed to save yourself.

I'm sure some potentially good players get voted out early in BB but its set up differently than Survivor and I think there's way less room to just get completely unlucky. Early BB evictees tend to be passive and/or obnoxious and thus bad players.


edit: Like I think back to one of the more "promising" early evictees in recent history, Day, and I just can never get past how completely deserving Day was of going home when she did her first season.

1) She targeted Shelli and didn't give her the time of day, picked a fight with her boyfriend Clay and publicly targeted him, and then didn't cut any deal or make any attempt to fix that even after Shelli won HOH.

2) Vanessa felt a personal connection with her and figured out she worked in the Vegas casino world because she was from the same world, and she and Austin discussed the fact that they had the numbers to save her in Week 2 and debated doing it to upset the house majority. But when Vanessa went to Day to see if she'd admit the casino thing or make any kind of alliance with her Day completely shut her down and made no effort to save herself. So Vanessa and Austin wrote her off and instead formed an alliance with Shelli.

3) She correctly figured out Liz's twin secret and instead of using it to try and form an alliance she just exposed Liz and confronted her, giving her a reason to want Day gone.

4) She had a god-damned super power that could have saved her and she wasted it sticking it to Clay and Shelli.

Day's an extreme example but I think she really does show how many chances BB players sometimes have, even early on, and how they really tend to play badly to get evicted that early. Where on Survivor you might just be sick from the environment or something. I much rather we go back and grab BB players like Paul, Vanessa, and Natalie who played good games and had a lot of clear strengths and just made a couple of key mistakes that cost them.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at Jun 24, 2017 around 03:43

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

Somebody call Totoro

Stac..I loving love your analysis on all things BB

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.


Grimey Drawer

Yeah generally the first out are completely boring people or way too aggressive. This season it will be the dog walker lady or that dude who wants to win the first comp. Maybe an all star season of people who have gotten screwed by twists over the years.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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I wouldn't even necessarily be that critical of early evictees. Some are obnoxious personalities or gamebots who play their way out. But some are just victims of someone else's game and the tendency for most players to just go with "anyone but me" early on. But still, you've got 2 or 3 weeks to socialize so if you go home 12-1 you probably didn't have a lot of game to offer.

Like, I just glanced over the first 2 evictees from the last few seasons and they all were either obnoxious or passive. But then I looked at BB15 and was reminded that Elissa spent the first two weeks on the block and targeted to go home and survived both. A big part of that was Amanda wanting to use her to weaponize MVP but a big part of it was also that Elissa played the game and had allies like Helen and Candice and turned people like Jessie. You can't really save yourself from a bad start in Survivor, but you've in Big Brother at least you've got a week to win people over.

SalTheBard posted:

Stac..I loving love your analysis on all things BB

I'm just a simple bastard with an annual 2 month obsession.

Which actually reminds me, do you guys have any idea how much better I felt about myself that I didn't get sucked into OTT at all? It was like suddenly discovering you weren't actually an alcoholic or something.

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


I don't know. A season full of awkward gamebots and annoying jackasses might be fun. It would kind of be great if everyone hated each other.

violetdragon
Jul 27, 2006

RAWR


On the subject of Paul, the person that's gone on the CBS/house lot with a bullhorn a few times is posting BB updates on Twitter that seem to indicate Paul is back. But there was no "Hey y'all, I'm on the CBS lot again" tweet, so maybe it's a joke??? They haven't answered my tweet asking if they're serious.

Michelle posted that one of the temptations was 2 weeks of safety, but you had to be handcuffed to Secret Service Agent Paul. This was immediately after Dr. Will and most of BBTwitter bullied her until she made her account private, so I could see her making up a rumor as "revenge" on the fandom or something.

If that is true, though, maybe he's just be in there for the two weeks and not all summer?

violetdragon fucked around with this message at Jun 25, 2017 around 02:36

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


2 weeks wouldn't be too bad. I hope he won't be a regular HG.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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Yeah, I could live with it if he's just the new Rachel/Jesse punishment. That would be fitting.

And if he's already in there then it means we're missing a week of him on feeds. So that's a good thing.

violetdragon
Jul 27, 2006

RAWR


STAC Goat posted:

Yeah, I could live with it if he's just the new Rachel/Jesse punishment. That would be fitting.

And if he's already in there then it means we're missing a week of him on feeds. So that's a good thing.

I don't know what to think about you right now, STAC.

ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC

violetdragon posted:

I don't know what to think about you right now, STAC.

To be fair, theatrical "not actual in the game" Paul could easily be an incredibly grating feed experience. Paul was at his best when his game was on the line.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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Yeah. I hate Paul but that Special Agent thing was genuinely hilarious and I get a kick out of the deal where they use Rachel and Jessie to torture HGs. At the same time I don't want to be tortured with them.

So the compromise between those two conflicting ideas is probably that Paul is in there right now driving them insane but he'll have burned out a bit by the time feeds turn on and only have a few days left.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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I'm attempting to watch OTT.

I don't know if its the lack of feeds, the barebones production, or what but this is really a drag. Maybe its just the 20 minute eviction interview with Cornbread in an empty studio. There's a really weird "no one is watching" vibe to this.

ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC

STAC Goat posted:

I'm attempting to watch OTT.

I don't know if its the lack of feeds, the barebones production, or what but this is really a drag. Maybe its just the 20 minute eviction interview with Cornbread in an empty studio. There's a really weird "no one is watching" vibe to this.

Well the whole gimmick of OTT was the feeds/live nature of the program, so watching it without them is kind of defeating its purpose.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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True. Its a weird little experience to see just the shows and none of the actual draw. Obviously that's less of an indictment of the show or the production as it is just me not watching it when it was happening.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

I can't wait to entertain you.


BBOTT is really a strange experience, like ToastyPotato said, without the ongoing feeds and some of the new wrinkles they added to that like live DRs, I'm sure it loses something if you just watch the episodes and eviction shows.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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Yeah, I certainly would have liked to see some live DRs. And these comps are largely lame but watching them live might have been more engaging. Like the first hoh is basically hot potato so I imagine that could have been just one long scramble. But it makes for a boring edit.

The whole safety necklace thing over the traditional ceremony also seems like it might have been more fun live since you get to see people get nervous if they haven't lit up yet and scramble.

On the other hand it looks like a hard house divide right out of the gate so that usually means less gameplay in general.

So two episodes in. Shelby seems cool. Alex and Morgan seem ok. Kryssie seems annoying. Jason seems like a tool as usual. Justin seems like a mixed bag between fun and obnoxious. Monte might have been deemed a racist by America along with being a moron? Only 8 episodes to go. These seem really long. Long empty studio interviews with Julie are really awkward for some reason.

Oh hey, I should be following the thread while I watch this. Dummie.

Edit: And oh, episodes are 120 minutes. No wonder they feel so long.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 01:16

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

"Doctor, listen to me and listen to me closely.
You're gonna witness all the days..."


I think it says something about OTT when I (someone that watches BBUS, BBCAN, and BBUK annually) have absolutely NO interest in watching it.

Fat Lowtax
Nov 9, 2008


"I'm willing to pay up to $1200 for a big anime titty"




The first HoH competition in OTT was neat on the feeds. It was a great concept to watch live, the group that won slowly realized that they could form an alliance to game the comp.

Watching Big Brother TV episodes when you already know how everything turned out is rough, though. I think I've told myself in the leadup to most seasons, hey, I have CBS All Access which has literally no other content I'm interested in, I'll watch one or two of the ~big moves~ or house flips or just weird things I remember. It's extremely slow television and most of the stuff that takes you by surprise is, like, Becky and Clay talking about how they think they did in the ball rolling competition for fifteen minutes. Obviously that's important and compelling to someone who doesn't watch feeds and wants to know how the comp played out in 2015, but not on a rewatch.

They need someone to put together clipshows or something.

Fat Lowtax fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 01:23

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


Eh. I know more or less how OTT works out but I didn't watch any part of it and don't really know boot orders or anything. So yeah, there's not all the drama that's usually there but there's also not all the stress and disappointment. So its a mixed bag.

Its definitely not a full BB experience, especially as a feedster, but its getting me in the mood and now I'm not gonna be so ignorant on it. And three episodes in and I'm starting to enjoy it. I really like Shelby, Alex, and Morgan and the only ones I really dislike are Kryssie and Jason. And maybe Neeley but I'm not sure yet. Justin kind of impressed me by playing for himself in the Double Veto, letting Alex get one, and taking out Danielle to keep himself safe. Danielle and Shane seem pretty self absorbed in general and expecting him to put himself on the line for them, but he seemed to have some basic head in the game smarts there.

But mostly...


Sad news. BBViewer doesn't seem to have old seasons' live feeds anymore. But it does have BB Canada 4 and 5 episodes so I might give them a watch this summer.

edit: Haha. A Kryssie HOH week has her piss off her alliance telling them to butt out, get annoyed by Alex all week, rage quit the POV, and then see her best friend go home. I kinda regret not watching OTT.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 05:13

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

BBCanada can get silly with the twists sometimes (5 was a MASSIVE improvement on that front), but it just has such better production and casting that I find BBUSA difficult, grating, and maybe even condescending to watch sometimes. Enjoy 4 and 5; they're really quite the treats.

Robnoxious
Feb 17, 2004



Oh man, Christopher Walken Dad is just too cool for this BB universe, isn't he?
He's gonna be first boot and I'm going to be so mad.

Just based on the interview with Big Jeff that guy has a story about every minutiae of life you throw at him.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


Massive OTT binge to finish it before BB19 because I screwed up my dates and thought that the season premiered on Thursday, not Wednesday!

- I wonder how long it would take to get sick of watching Kryssie go into a competition talking tough about how bad rear end she is and how lame everyone is and ending it wallowing in self pity that she sucked.

- I didn't much care for Scott (is his name Scott? That's how indifferent I was to him most of the season.) but his interview with Julie was a little interesting. He clearly thought out stuff a lot. A LOT. It might have been interesting to see him play on the feeds. Or terrible.

- The America Nominee/Care Package voting seems massively schizophrenic week to week. At some point were feedsters just purposely flipping it back and forth just to gently caress with them or something?

- There's a lot of ok twists in here but there's a LOT of them. The fact that Care Package and America's Nominee somehow led to Shelby's HOH having her entire alliance on the block seems like a design flaw.

- Whitney. You broke my heart. RIP Ball Smashers.

- Oh look, Jason making deals he has every intention to betray a day later and then making a big public show of laughing about it just to stick it to people he doesn't like. He's grown so much.

- Jason: I have actually basically not talked poo poo about anyone.
:o

- The first half of the DE eviction turning into a roast of the Jamboree was surreal. Man, this season seems uglier than BB18.

- Awww. OTT brought Alex and Morgan closer together as sisters. That's a nice cap to this really compelling sister storyline. It was the one thing that kept tempting me to watch OTT when it was airing and its the one thing I most regret not being able to see happen on the feeds and see if there was a really narrative there.

- Ha. There's even a production error in the episodes where Julie is hear talking over the credits after her Alex interview. OTT, you're so low rent its charming.

- Double Eviction episodes lose a LOT without the frantic 60 minute pace that causes total chaos.

- Did I say the twists invalidating Shelby's HOH were a little overly screwy?


- Julie: Would you believe me that there are two siblings playing the game? Care to guess who?
Whitney: I would say... Jason and Shelby?
Julie:.... HAHAHA!

Chenbot is human!

- I really dig this laser comp. Don't remember it since All Stars. I hope they bring it over to BB proper and... Oh, wait. It broke. I love you Ghetto Big Brother.

- I hate no Jury. Besides the fact that I just don't like the version of Big Brother where the viewers choose and its why I've enjoyed US/Canada and not the rest, no Jury takes away a big part of the game where there's an actual consequence to screwing people over or treating them like crap. Hence lots of fake deals and petty decision making.

- Oh look, Jason and Danielle tried to cut a deal to get Justin targeted, Shelby told them to gently caress off because they've already broken a bunch of deals and made a deal with Justin, and Danielle and Jason are all self righteous that Justin betrayed them. I guess there are some consequences.

- Morgan, "Kryssie, as a show of loyalty I'm going to tell you that Alex is my sister." Kryssie, "God, Morgan's so dumb to think I'd believe that, I'm so much smarter." Seriously, I don't think it would ever stop being funny watching Kryssie self own.

These episodes feel so long. And I'm running out of time.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at Jun 28, 2017 around 10:13

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988





STAC Goat posted:

- The America Nominee/Care Package voting seems massively schizophrenic week to week. At some point were feedsters just purposely flipping it back and forth just to gently caress with them or something?
No, there were two very adversarial sides of the fanbase going at it in the voting. Generally the Jason side would win the votes unless they were disorganized which is why they lost some of the votes early on. The fans voting Neeley out instead of Scott was a surprise, and the one Morgan won (Jason's side should have voted her out for being care package eligible!) wasn't described clearly on the website and nobody knew how it would actually work, so people mixed up the vote a little on that one too.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

I can't wait to entertain you.


It was some of the most divisive and petty playing both within the house and among the fans of those camps online. The Jamboree being some of the least self-aware people who ever played the game. All the fan voting I think really played into their egos.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


Gotta finish OTT… can't have this dangling across seasons with my obsessive brain...

- Oh, hey. The Jamboree broke another deal because there’s no Jury to offer consequences. What a shock.

- So once again the Care Package manages to make it so that in Morgan’s HOH her only ally goes home. That’s, what? The third time the Care Package completely screwed the HOH? And how many times has the person who went home not been one of the HOH’s nominees? By my figuring literally the only HOH who didn’t have their HOH invalidated by America was Scott taking out Shane in Week 3. Every other week either America’s Nominee goes home or the Care Package forces a HOH ally up and out. I mean, its fine if you’re playing non-North America Big Brother but at what point is the HOH just an Immunity Idol?

- RIP Shelby. You made it fun and you kinda got screwed (but in fairness everyone kinda did). You could have been a star on a real season.


- The Final HOH brings a second person to F4 and then the other two compete in another comp? Why? Was OTT designed by just taking every random idea they had for Big Brother for years and saying “gently caress it, lets try them all at once”?

- I know this moment was probably taken out of context but I choose to believe that Justin’s brain really did break when he was trying to understand Morgan’s revelation, especially after trying to understand the new rules Julie had just explained.


- Of course Kryssie’s reaction to finding out that Morgan really is Alex’s sister is to go “they look nothing alike but if it makes her feel better for me to believe her, fine.” I’m sure I’d hate her if I had watched feeds but I can’t stop laughing at Kryssie. She’s just such a comical mix of obnoxiously over confident, wrong about everything, and ridiculous stubborn to accept it.

- There was something amazing about Jason and Kryssie spending all season screaming about loyalty and playing the game a different way and then at the end just being all “gently caress Justin, that dude can win. We just carried him this far to cut him.” And then Jason gets super offended that Justin says he's gonna keep fighting and not roll over and die. Or as Morgan put it.


- And then of course Kryssie responds to Justin being depressed by it and Thanksgiving by making it all about her and a person offense to all she’s done for him. Man, I would have hated these folks on feeds.

- Julie said “poo poo”!

- Justin: To be honest I just zoned out a lot in the house and was in my own world.

- The only moment of self awareness I saw in Kryssie was when Julie said “someone is about to finish 3rd” and she just started nodding in acknowledgement that it was her.

- And then she follows it up by claiming she threw comps and then pretended to take it badly… in the DR? Seriously? She literally tried to pull the "puppet master" defense on the idea that she did such a masterful job even the viewers didn't know she ran things.

- Ok, Kryssie’s gotten like 10 minutes of talk time between her two final pleas and eviction interview and I’m already sick of her poo poo. I guess that answers how long it would take for the amusement to get old.

- hehehe


- Morgan win is ok. She won stuff, made deals (or tried), strategized (as much as you could). Not a floater. And Jason lost a popularity contest he came in with a huge advantage with. That’s fun. Congrats, Bikini Girl. Its a shame you, Alex, and Shelby didn’t get on a real Big Brother season. That could have been fun.

- So are we officially dubbing the Ball Smashers the first successful Big Brother female alliance? I know they didn’t make it to the end like the Brigade, Cool Town, Hitmen, or Renegades but they stayed (mostly, Brigade-style) loyal and hey…


- All in all, that wasn't a bad watch but its Not My Big Brother. And it seems like it would have been a really toxic followup to the toxic BB18. I probably made the right choice when I saw Jason was there.

OK, BABY! I'M READY TO BE OBSESSED AND CRAZY! AND MORE ANNOYING THAN EVER BECAUSE I’M THE LAST PERSON ON THE WEB WHO’S LEARNED HOW TO MAKE GIFS AND AM ABUSING THE gently caress OUT OF IT!

- I had to. Its Shelby’s reaction that really makes it.

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


GIF away STAC Goat! I find your updates as entertaining as the show, if not more.

Your Taint
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, beefy lad, better than you.


Is it one or two hours tonight?

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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8 PM EST tonight for 2 hours.

9 PM EST tomorrow for 1 hour.

Feeds at 1 AM EST Friday morning/10 PM BB Time Thursday.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

mallratcal posted:

GIF away STAC Goat! I find your updates as entertaining as the show, if not more.

I love that in trying to sell Big Brother to Survivor fans, RHAP made the point of saying "You don't even have to watch the show; you can follow along by just listening to us you'll be fine."

But we have the STAC.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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Now that I joined the 21st century with the gifs I'm debating tweeting them with a hashtag or something.

I'm coming for you RHAP!

violetdragon
Jul 27, 2006

RAWR


How does an American watch BBCAN? Is it streaming somewhere or only ?

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate


So Cameron is already out of the house according to leaks

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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There's a lot of "spoilers" like that floating around. For the last couple of days Twitter was saying Cody was out. So I'd take it with a grain of salt.

But tomorrows show description DOES say there's an eviction so someone probably is gone already like Glenn was last year.

violetdragon posted:

How does an American watch BBCAN? Is it streaming somewhere or only ?

S4 and 5 are on BBViewer. I found S3 on YouTube pretty easy. I can't find S2 which sucks since that's the best season ever.

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.


Grimey Drawer

Well the e-mail just confirmed that feeds aren't on until after the pacific airing tomorrow, so midnight est on Thursday, booo

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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Ok, some spoilers are apparently true.

So Paul probably has three guaranteed weeks. I'm regretting this already.

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