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veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


She really wants being fat to be the same thing as being gay doesn't she?

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

veni veni veni posted:

She really wants being fat to be the same thing as being gay doesn't she?

Born that way

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008
Sounds like cope to me

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

veni veni veni posted:

She really wants being fat to be the same thing as being gay doesn't she?

I think she's both things.

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
I'd be interested to see the reference material in that book

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

veni veni veni posted:

She really wants being fat to be the same thing as being gay doesn't she?

Intersectionality is a thing. There are definitely similarities on how negatively people treat people of size and LGBT groups - it's not like homophobes give a drat whether someone actually was born being gay or transgendered.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

TotalLossBrain posted:

Born that way

Nobody's born fat, though.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Panfilo posted:

Intersectionality is a thing. There are definitely similarities on how negatively people treat people of size and LGBT groups - it's not like homophobes give a drat whether someone actually was born being gay or transgendered.

There are also definitely similarities between how negatively people treat people of size and Nazis. Does that suddenly change your opinion of the situation?

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Big people aren't advocating for the extermination of a thin people though :v:

jizzy sillage
Aug 13, 2006

Some are (figuratively).

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
By eating them.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
being gay is hard and being fat is hard but being fat and gay as young teenager is one helluva thing that can gently caress you up a lot so there is plenty of merit to talking about being fat and gay, whether or not that lady is accomplishing any of it I dunno tbh I've only ever heard the word 'queering' used in the case of a straight/cis person trying to make it sound like their hetero relationship is challenging heteronormativity because she spanks him sometimes

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!
The weird thing to me is that the medical understanding came first, before cultural saturation. The idea that the medical understanding of the consequences is actually just paranoia caused by a growing moral panic would require time-travelling doctors. That book's synopsis is wrong in the first sentence

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Wowporn posted:

being gay is hard and being fat is hard but being fat and gay as young teenager is one helluva thing that can gently caress you up a lot so there is plenty of merit to talking about being fat and gay, whether or not that lady is accomplishing any of it I dunno tbh I've only ever heard the word 'queering' used in the case of a straight/cis person trying to make it sound like their hetero relationship is challenging heteronormativity because she spanks him sometimes

I mean there's plenty of leeway to talking about how the book is bad and dumb for :words: reasons, while still pointing out the kernel of truth that you just mentioned.

Spiderjelly
Aug 22, 2006

Sign of evil.
Y'all stop now, y'hear?

Slugnoid
Jun 23, 2006

Nap Ghost

Wowporn posted:

being gay is hard and being fat is hard but being fat and gay as young teenager is one helluva thing that can gently caress you up a lot so there is plenty of merit to talking about being fat and gay, whether or not that lady is accomplishing any of it I dunno tbh I've only ever heard the word 'queering' used in the case of a straight/cis person trying to make it sound like their hetero relationship is challenging heteronormativity because she spanks him sometimes

yeah but she doesnt want to talk about being fat and gay, she wants to make being fat like being gay, as in LGBTF

as a gay dude i reckon i finally know how black people feel when they see wiggers

Pittsburgh Lambic
Feb 16, 2011
"people of size"

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
If we didn't treat fat people so lovely, then people like her wouldn't have this kind of pulpit to rant about it.

Women in particular get treated very poorly for the crime of being Too Fat. The strawman SJW is depicted as a fat, hairy, purple haired woman. The less sexually desirable she is to white, cis het men, the more offensive she is for daring to exist.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Fat people just want a place in society!

A very large place.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Slugnoid posted:

yeah but she doesnt want to talk about being fat and gay, she wants to make being fat like being gay, as in LGBTF

as a gay dude i reckon i finally know how black people feel when they see wiggers

Yeah exactly. She's using a more socially acceptable plight to try and add legitimacy to pseudo intellectual bs by attaching it to it.

Pissed Ape Sexist
Apr 19, 2008

Just big factories full of sooty dudes sucking dick after dick in 14 hour shifts for a tuppence or whatever. Then somebody gets bit or finds one of the dudes has chewed fingernails in his mouth and oooh nooooo better call that little weenie Upton to write a book about it

Pissed Ape Sexist
Apr 19, 2008

This is apparently not that other thread but enjoy the freebie!

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Panfilo posted:

If we didn't treat fat people so lovely, then people like her wouldn't have this kind of pulpit to rant about it.

Women in particular get treated very poorly for the crime of being Too Fat. The strawman SJW is depicted as a fat, hairy, purple haired woman. The less sexually desirable she is to white, cis het men, the more offensive she is for daring to exist.

And, since I happen to know you're speaking as a white cis het man who happens to not be fat and never have been fat, you have precisely the right kind of lived experience to talk about this stuff with that kind of authoritative voice.

Stop caricaturing other groups to make your point, and stop trying to subtly tie your opponents to groups you dislike.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Yeah as a queer person with a degree in women’s studies who is overweight that lady is batshit. Sure, we have issues with size in Western culture. But doing healthy at any size “queering fatness” stuff while you eat a ton of burgers is complete bullshit. 100%.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer

Pissed Ape Sexist posted:

This is apparently not that other thread but enjoy the freebie!

It’s a good’un, thankee

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Somfin posted:

And, since I happen to know you're speaking as a white cis het man who happens to not be fat and never have been fat, you have precisely the right kind of lived experience to talk about this stuff with that kind of authoritative voice.

Stop caricaturing other groups to make your point, and stop trying to subtly tie your opponents to groups you dislike.

Just as soon as you stop turning your bad friends into strawmen.

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
Im a fat gay trans purple haired woman trapped in a cis het male

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012


Sorry guys, that isn't an actual X-Ray of a fat person, but a render of what it might look like: https://www.snopes.com/false-900-pound-man-x-ray/

Here's an actual one tho:

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008
You're not allowed to talk about how being on fire is bad unless you've actually been on fire

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Fat fragility.

Fatility?

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
Normal Sized Skeleton

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013


I'm the professional academic whose Twitter handle, "thebeefer," was printed on the outside of every copy of this important work of scholarship

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

You're not allowed to talk about how being on fire is bad unless you've actually been on fire

Your theory that being on fire is just like drowning requires unusual evidence, or at the very least some personal experience.

Helios Grime
Jan 27, 2012

Where we are going we won't need shirts
Pillbug

I'm no xray specialist so I can't really read it correctly but does the person on the left have something hosed up going on with his big intestines?

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Pastry of the Year posted:

I'm the professional academic whose Twitter handle, "thebeefer," was printed on the outside of every copy of this important work of scholarship

I mostly wondering which field of science fat studies falls under.

You could make a case for either medicine, nutritional science, philosophy, or the culinary arts.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

Somfin posted:

Your theory that being on fire is just like drowning requires unusual evidence, or at the very least some personal experience.

I've personally never been on fire, but I've seen plenty of people who were and they seemed to be having a bad time. Is that enough?

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Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

I've personally never been on fire, but I've seen plenty of people who were and they seemed to be having a bad time. Is that enough?

Most of that is driven by the stigma society places on being on fire, not the act of being on fire itself.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
Look, all I know is that when I got fat all my cares melted away, like a happy lady Buddha. You'll make me give up this level of contentment over my dead body.

You can take my money, my things and my home, but you can't take my fatness, goddammit! I DRAW THE LINE THERE.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Look, all I know is that when I got fat all my cares melted away, like a happy lady Buddha. You'll make me give up this level of contentment over my dead body.

You can take my money, my things and my home, but you can't take my fatness, goddammit! I DRAW THE LINE THERE.

I'll bet setting you on fire would make all the fat melt away

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Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
We need to focus on warm reduction.

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