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RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

Band-aids don't fix arrow wounds




Season 5 of Orange is the New Black has just hit Netflix and if you're all caught up to the latest season, 4 ended with a Breaking Bad style cliffhanger. Just to jog your memory (Season 4 spoilers)
After the death of beloved inmate Poussey, a riot is incited by Tasystee after witnessing the press conference making no mention of her best friend's name and shifting the blame off the officer who accidentally suffocated her. At the very last scene we're met with an officer who had smuggled a gun into the prison lose his weapon in the cross section of a hallway, as Dia picks up the gun and aims it at the two officers trying to quell the riot. The following season takes place in the hours/days immediately following this incident and again, will focus on various people's grief over Poussey, the treatment they're getting at the prison, and reveal yet more interesting backstories to side characters you never thought you wanted to know.

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f you haven't watched the first two seasons, a woman named Piper Chapman is sent to prison wherein she has wacky prison adventures. Most episodes are formatted where interspersed with the main plot we get backstory flashbacks for one of the inmates, usually showing how they ended up in prison. While the show is technically about Piper, it's really held together by the strong ensemble cast of the other prisoners.

Summary of Season 1: Piper, an early-30s upper class WASPy woman goes to prison for 15 months for smuggling drug money 10 years ago. Shortly after arriving she reunites with her old girlfriend, Alex, who is also in prison for the same drug related crimes. Alex and Piper rekindle their relationship, causing Piper's engagement with her fiance Larry to be called off. During her time, Piper's attitude makes her several enemies, including a meth-addict named Pennsatucky. During the Christmas pageant Pennsatucky attacks Piper, causing her to nearly beat Pennsatucky to death. Some other plots include a mentally unstable woman known as Crazy Eyes becoming obsessed with Piper, a Russian woman, Red, who smuggles goods in via the kitchen being ousted from her position of power, and an inmate Daya and one of the prison guards, Bennett falling in love, and Daya becoming pregnant. In order to conceal their relationship, Daya has sex with another guard, Mendez (aka Pornstache), who is fired when caught.

Summary of Season 2: Piper, while still technically the protagonist, has little to do in this season. Her breakup with Larry becomes permanent as Larry and Piper's best friend Polly begin a relationship. Alex is released because she testifies against the drug Kingpin she used to work for, but he goes free anyway. She was last seen caught violating her parole by carrying a gun. The main plot of the season surrounds the animosity between Red and a new inmate Vee, who had a history from when Red was newly imprisoned. Vee gathers all the black inmates around her to create a gang, and they begin smuggling cigarettes and drugs into the prison. Red joins with the old ladies and uses a tunnel in the greenhouse to smuggle various prohibited but otherwise harmless items into the prison. The confrontation comes to a head when Vee nearly beats Red to death and then escapes through the tunnel, but is immediately killed when hit by the van of another escaping convict. Daya and Bennett's relationship is rocky as her pregnancy continues, as Pornstache is believed to be the father of the baby, but in the finale Bennett confesses to the new Assistant Warden that it is his child.

(I am directly copy and pasting from the last thread, there will be updates on Season 3 & 4 maybe. Eventually.

Since this is a binge-watch show released all at once, people might not be caught up to where you're at yet and so the spoiler's policy from the last thread seems like a great idea.

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OK, here's what we're going to try as a test. Some people are not happy with the go-wild aspect of the Netflix threads so we're going to try a different approach. If you have general thoughts on the show that's fine. If you are doing specific reactions to episodes they will go into labeled spoiler tags with the episode you are on or have completed for the first 72 hours. If you haven't gotten to that episode then don't click on the spoiler. This is just a trial for Daredevil and if it doesn't work we'll just go back to the old way from now on. And now an example post:


So far the show is good. I enjoy this show so far through episode 10. It is a fine television program.

1x10
The thing that happens in this episode certainly happened. And how it tied back into what they were saying in episode 3 was definitely a cool thing. I think the villain that appeared in this episode and did the villainy thing was bad. He should be punched by the Daredevil and have to go to jail.

The 1x10 is just the episode you're up to. You can write all about episode four if you want, but if you let something slip that came out later and you forget and it maybe happened in episode six that's why you still put episode 10 and not episode 4. Get it? Hope it works. And if not sorry!

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RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

Band-aids don't fix arrow wounds


I just made this thread because I noticed an error in the last episode, basically.

S5x13
They mention they did count twice and were still coming up 10 short. Counting the 10 in the basement, Chang & Pensyltucky who escaped through the cage, and the addition of Linda, there should have been 11 missing inmates. Nobody noticing of course that at least one inmate was missing. I can see the plot hole *almost* being covered up because the meth girls burned all the records which is of course going to lead to Linda being an inmate by not being able to prove her innocence but it seems like Chang just got away as a gag without them have even remembering she had left.

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Detroit





College Slice

Looking forward to watching this season at some point in the near future. That's basically all I got to say currently.

gileadexile
Jul 20, 2012


Watched up to episode 5 overnight at work. I laughed some. *shrug*

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


RealFoxy posted:

I just made this thread because I noticed an error in the last episode, basically.

S5x13
They mention they did count twice and were still coming up 10 short. Counting the 10 in the basement, Chang & Pensyltucky who escaped through the cage, and the addition of Linda, there should have been 11 missing inmates. Nobody noticing of course that at least one inmate was missing. I can see the plot hole *almost* being covered up because the meth girls burned all the records which is of course going to lead to Linda being an inmate by not being able to prove her innocence but it seems like Chang just got away as a gag without them have even remembering she had left.

5x13

I suspect they might be including Lolly in their count. She was transferred out the night before the riot, and they make a point about how sloppy the paperwork is, and how slow they are to update even basic information on their guard's files. I mean, it could easily be a mistake on the part of the writers, but if they're now looking for a solution, that's the one I'd pick. Alternately, they're counting Poussey.

Also, that was a contract renewal cliffhanger if ever I saw one.

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Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 18, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge


Open Source Idiom posted:

Also, that was a contract renewal cliffhanger if ever I saw one.

[Not episode specific] It's already got a confirmed season 6.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Gyro Zeppeli posted:

[Not episode specific] It's already got a confirmed season 6.

Ahuh. You're missing my point.

5x13

The narrative puts the show in such a position that it can fire whomever it wants to going into next season. Literally every character's fates are up for grabs. They'll all in such a position where they could either be shot, sent to a different prison and never seen again, escape forever or never leave Schu. The guards and staff are in such a position that any or all of them could be fired and never heard from again.

The standard television contract contracts an actor for five seasons of work, after which they're allowed to renegotiate the amount they're paid per season. However, putting an actor's character in a precarious positions removes some of their bargaining power from that negotiation. They're less able to argue that they're essential to a show, and therefore have less leverage for a pay rise.


Given the hiring practises the show follows -- they add a few new regulars each season, and have cut maybe four from the cast total, not including a credited regular who appears not once the entire season and was presumably being paid a lot to do that -- I suspect they won't actually go through with any of this. I was being wry. But this is the kind of practise I was referring to.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011


5x2 Freida is the best inmate. Holy poo poo that hideout.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007
I've made a huge mistake.

I'm not far in to the new season but I've already remembered how much the show needs to write out Daya and pretend she never existed.

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


Two episodes in it's good. There can't be more than 6 seasons at most though, surely?

cebrail
May 9, 2014



I think 6 and 7 are already confirmed. Netflix is secretive about viewer counts, but I remember reading that this was their most watched original program. They're going to milk it as long as possible.

I'm at 4 episodes now and I like this season a lot so far.

5x4

I think the idea of having (what I assume is going to be) the entire season taking place during or immediately after the riot seemed like a stupid idea at first, but it's working great so far. What really confuses me though, is how publicly known or not known this is. Both Piscatella and the dude who killed P got push notifications for the video, but the general public and law enforcement don't really seem to give a gently caress about this prison riot / hostage situation? I don't get it.


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Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011


Pablo Bluth posted:

I'm not far in to the new season but I've already remembered how much the show needs to write out Daya and pretend she never existed.

I'm not done with the season, but status as of 5x8 Daya gives herself up for shooting Humps and gets taken away to Max after saying goodbye to the other inmates

cebrail posted:

5x4

I think the idea of having (what I assume is going to be) the entire season taking place during or immediately after the riot seemed like a stupid idea at first, but it's working great so far. What really confuses me though, is how publicly known or not known this is. Both Piscatella and the dude who killed P got push notifications for the video, but the general public and law enforcement don't really seem to give a gently caress about this prison riot / hostage situation? I don't get it.


The timeline of the season is very compressed. The first five episodes happen in the first 24 hours after the riot starts. 5x5 The prison riot is on the news the morning after riot started.

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GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there's no better word than stupid.



Lipstick Apathy

Yeah they've been renewed through season 7.
Just finished the season and I have to say I really enjoyed it, moreso than season 4. I thought the premise for the season, having it take place over the course of a couple days dealing with the fallout from Poussey's death was a nice change of pace. I felt like giving the inmates the freedom to move around and do whatever without worrying about the guards was also a welcome relief. Finally, despite still dealing with some heavy themes, it felt much more lighthearted than last season which was definitely welcome.

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


Christ this season is dark, even compared to the last one.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011


5x9 being played as a straight-up teen slasher movie is awesome

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RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

Band-aids don't fix arrow wounds


One thing that always impresses me with OitnB is that there's always a character that you start to think "There's no way this character is redeemable. They're just plain evil" and then after awhile they end up being likable again, or at least trying to attend for their sins/mistakes.

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


This is really highlighting how few on-screen staff the prison actually has. 5x01-5 I know they mentioned a few medical staff left before things got heated but they took hostage basically every employee that was in the prison when the riot started. Which was six.

STONE COLD 64
Oct 20, 2006

austin 3:16 says shut up. shut hte fuck up. where is my beer. i need hel

This show's timeline is confusing as heck. Is it still supposed to be set within the first 18 months of season one or am I just not supposed to think about that?

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


gif Probst posted:

This show's timeline is confusing as heck. Is it still supposed to be set within the first 18 months of season one or am I just not supposed to think about that?

Yeah I'm watching 6 now and that nice guard couple is heavily pregnant. My memory on S4 is fuzzy but hasn't only a few weeks passed since they left Lichfield? Maybe a couple of months?

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011


Fun Shoe

Steve2911 posted:

Christ this season is dark, even compared to the last one.

You should watch an episode of OZ. This entire show is like an episode of the teletubbies compared to that.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

"Doctor, listen to me and listen to me closely.
You're gonna witness all the days..."


gif Probst posted:

This show's timeline is confusing as heck. Is it still supposed to be set within the first 18 months of season one or am I just not supposed to think about that?

Even more so when this season takes place entirely within like 3 days

Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.

God the dialogue in this show is balls. Characters making every joke about their vagina and references to stuff criminals wouldn't really give a poo poo about. The Oprah ''you get a phone and you get a phone'' is so drat bad.

The show is surface level everything. Surface level jokes, surface level characters. everyone is just so goddamned two dimensional and any time they give them a bit of depth with touching moments they got to make them flat again a few moments later. I can't believe the two dumb rear end redneck girls actually had a plot thread where they went out and pantsed people during a loving prison riot and end up with the gun. gently caress the writers on this show are poo poo.

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GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there's no better word than stupid.



Lipstick Apathy

Steve2911 posted:

Christ this season is dark, even compared to the last one.

Really? I thought last season had a ton of depressing plots: Alex & Piper not being together (minor but I think the show is more fun when they are), Sophia being in solitary & the fallout from that, Healy locking that crazy woman up/going to a psych facility himself after thinking about killing himself, the aftermath of Pennsyltucky getting raped, Piper creating a nazi group and then getting branded, the rise of Piscatella, Maritza getting forced to eat that mouse, Poussey dying, Nicki being back on drugs, Suzanne being forced to fight and nearly beating that other inmate to death, and there may be other stuff I'm forgetting too. I enjoyed last season but I thought it was heavy compared to others, including this one.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011


I'm up to 5x10:


Why did they put the nurse into the toilets? He's like the only prison staff that has arguably not done anything wrong, be it directly (murder) or indirectly (looking the other way). Are those two women just that stupid or something?

Also, who was Linda again? I feel like it happened too fast but in 5x01 she was just a visitor and then tried to blend in or did I miss something?

gileadexile
Jul 20, 2012


Frieda is a goon!

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Boris Galerkin posted:

I'm up to 5x10:


Why did they put the nurse into the toilets? He's like the only prison staff that has arguably not done anything wrong, be it directly (murder) or indirectly (looking the other way). Are those two women just that stupid or something?

Also, who was Linda again? I feel like it happened too fast but in 5x01 she was just a visitor and then tried to blend in or did I miss something?


They wanted the poor guy to perform surgery on that one meth-head's finger, so they locked him up until they were ready for him. They're dumb, but they're not so dumb as to believe that he wouldn't run the gently caress away the first chance he got. It's easier for them to hold onto one prisoner at a time than two, and they don't want him being held hostage by some other group of prisoners.

Linda is in charge of purchasing for the company that owns the prison. She used to date Caputo, and was leaving the prison just as the riot started. She's loving horrible.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

Ehhh?

There is not nearly enough characters in this show, they should add 10 or 15 more.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003


Odddzy posted:

God the dialogue in this show is balls. Characters making every joke about their vagina and references to stuff criminals wouldn't really give a poo poo about. The Oprah ''you get a phone and you get a phone'' is so drat bad.

The show is surface level everything. Surface level jokes, surface level characters. everyone is just so goddamned two dimensional and any time they give them a bit of depth with touching moments they got to make them flat again a few moments later. I can't believe the two dumb rear end redneck girls actually had a plot thread where they went out and pantsed people during a loving prison riot and end up with the gun. gently caress the writers on this show are poo poo.

Criminals are human beings and give a poo poo about all sorts of the same stuff you do, especially minimum security prison.

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011


Fun Shoe

Odddzy posted:

God the dialogue in this show is balls. Characters making every joke about their vagina and references to stuff criminals wouldn't really give a poo poo about. The Oprah ''you get a phone and you get a phone'' is so drat bad.

The show is surface level everything. Surface level jokes, surface level characters. everyone is just so goddamned two dimensional and any time they give them a bit of depth with touching moments they got to make them flat again a few moments later. I can't believe the two dumb rear end redneck girls actually had a plot thread where they went out and pantsed people during a loving prison riot and end up with the gun. gently caress the writers on this show are poo poo.

Jenji Kohan. That is all.

Bonus points for the eps this season when they tried to make friday the 13th without what makes friday the 13th fun.

Dead people.

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Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 18, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge


5x10 Nah this is just getting too stupid. Piscatella is a comic book villain. It feels like "well, we already had a guard surprise sex an inmate last season, how can we go darker?".

Pessimism
Aug 2, 2005

You can find this and other great titles at your local library

Ugh, I just binge-watched all of The Handmaid's Tale on Hulu and one of the characters on the show is played by Samira Wiley, and it's made me remember just how much I love Samira Wiley.

And then I saw that OitNB had Season 5 out and because I've already forgotten basically all of Season 4 I was like, "Oh boy, I can't wait to watch a whole new season with my favorite OitNB character, Poussay."

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


Gyro Zeppeli posted:

5x10 Nah this is just getting too stupid. Piscatella is a comic book villain. It feels like "well, we already had a guard surprise sex an inmate last season, how can we go darker?".

The end of the flashback in that episode was genuinely chilling.

I agree about the meth heads. They seem to get dumber in new ways every season.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 18, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge


Yeah, the Meth Heads just need to go away. They've become just irritatingly stupid, to the point where any time they're involved in the plot, just feels like the scripting turns to Mad Libs.

MorgaineDax
Nov 29, 2004

Storm On The Sea Of Galilee, it's called, and he's in it. Old Rembrandt, he's in the painting. He's in there, right in the middle of the storm, looking straight at you. But... you can't see him. And the reason you can't see him is because the painting has been stolen.


Slippery Tilde

The Meth Heads, Suzanne and Daya should all have a helicopter dropped on them and it would improve this show immeasurably.

Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


MorgaineDax posted:

The Meth Heads, Suzanne and Daya should all have a helicopter dropped on them and it would improve this show immeasurably.

Nah Suzanne's great. She's a pretty drat spectacular portrayal of someone that's fallen through the cracks and been utterly, hopelessly let down by the system.

I don't really get the hate for Daya either but maybe that's just me.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

I'll kick yer sorry arse so hard you'll kiss the moons!

For me, it's her actress being very bad compared to everyone else. A show full of big, funny performances and big, dramatic performances and she's super monotone in comparison.

Her storylines have been mostly awful, too. It's also harder for to care about her with Aleida on the outside. Daya's character works best for me as part of the mother/daughter in prison together thing.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005
Oh, Jesus fuck. It's like the Nazis opened The Ark Of The Covenant, and I looked.

ditty bout my clitty posted:

Jenji Kohan. That is all.

I was rolling my eyes super hard in episode 1 (maybe ep 2) where it was like how many different gun violence references can we wedge in here?
Every time a character mentioned it it always changed 'Columbine/Sandy Hook/Aurora etc.' Those bits of dialogue were just painfully bad.

Regarding eps 5x10 to the finale: holy crap, the Piscatella story line was just terrible

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 18, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge


LadyPictureShow posted:

Regarding eps 5x10 to the finale: holy crap, the Piscatella story line was just terrible

For loving real. 5x10-13 Like...what was his motivation for torturing them, and Red in particular? Because she tried to humiliate him, which, at the time, he laughed off? And his flashback only really establishes "Okay, he's a sociopath who doesn't like criminals, because...other criminals attacked and raped his criminal boyfriend?"

People just do Stuff in this season. There's no motivation beyond "Gotta move the plot forward somehow".

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GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there's no better word than stupid.



Lipstick Apathy

LadyPictureShow posted:

I was rolling my eyes super hard in episode 1 (maybe ep 2) where it was like how many different gun violence references can we wedge in here?
Every time a character mentioned it it always changed 'Columbine/Sandy Hook/Aurora etc.' Those bits of dialogue were just painfully bad.

This made me laugh

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Steve2911
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.


Just finished it and I really enjoyed the season as a whole. It was uneven in places, the tone was all over the place, and it would've worked much better as maybe nine episodes (three per day, evenly spaced out) but overall they went for something pretty ambitious and it mostly paid off. I do tend to enjoy stories set in single locations in a tight timescale though. The sort of thing where you know where all the major players are and what they're doing throughout the entire story unless you're not supposed to know. It's intimate.

I agree that they left it so frustratingly precarious that who does and doesn't return next season will just be arbitrary. They could've given the last episode an extra 30 minutes (like they usually do) and made it the finale of the whole series, for sure.

e: I was also glad to see Piper's mum and Jason Biggs back, if only briefly. It always bothers me when supporting characters drop off the face of the earth in later seasons of a show (although Biggs has no real reason to appear in the main story again). We need her brother to come back too.

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