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tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005





dreesemonkey posted:

My brother in law just rented a 30x64 shop next to his land that they're having a house built on. The floors are wood, does anyone have any insight on weight loads or what framing/spacing would be ideal for a wood floor shop? He just bought a compact tractor, that would likely be the heaviest thing to be parked in there other than a very occasional car or something.





That building looks like it'd be set on a slab though, so maybe it's just plywood over a concrete floor, maybe someone put it down because the floor was some level of gross or beat up and it's just laid over the top.

What's the foundation like and/or pull up some plywood and take a look.

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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


MOTRONIC FOR MODERATOR, MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN


Grimey Drawer

dreesemonkey posted:

The floors are wood, does anyone have any insight on weight loads or what framing/spacing would be ideal for a wood floor shop? He just bought a compact tractor, that would likely be the heaviest thing to be parked in there other than a very occasional car or something.

I mean.....nobody can say except the person he's renting it from I'd expect. Or whoever built it. Because it all depends on what the floor assembly is made of and structured. I mean....it's got a garage door on it. What else would it be used for other than vehicles that need a door that size?

Also, compact tractors aren't all that heavy, under a ton for sure even with a loader and cab.

Mustache Ride
Sep 11, 2001






Pull up a panel and see what's underneath. If it's not concrete, lol.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Best case like was said, if it's got a slab under it and the wood just covers it you should be golden, but if not yeesh.

Motronic posted:

I mean.....nobody can say except the person he's renting it from I'd expect. Or whoever built it. Because it all depends on what the floor assembly is made of and structured. I mean....it's got a garage door on it. What else would it be used for other than vehicles that need a door that size?

Also, compact tractors aren't all that heavy, under a ton for sure even with a loader and cab.

Good points, but that's assuming the person who built it took the time to figure out loading ~or~ potentially just used overhead doors for easy access for storage/moving junk.. and never meant a full size vehicle to go in.

I guess if a person wanted to you could throw a couple 2x8s or something on the floor where the vehicle would come/go to spread the load whatever the framing is underneath. But it's still a yeesh.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007



Concrete is expensive, ok?

angryrobots
Mar 31, 2005



It's a deck with a building on top! Nah, it's probably concrete.

Wasn't there a goon years ago who had an upstairs garage with a wood floor? Like, house was on the edge of a hill or something.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

ThinkFear posted:

The issue is more the outlet than the contactor. Normally those enclosed NEMA starters are 240V coils fed unfused off the line side of the contactor. Listed assembly and all that but not something you want to hang a receptacle off of 1 leg of without proper fusing. Unless it's only a 240V/20A feed (not sure how big the compressor is), but then you start worrying about increasing the mca/mop to carry the additional load and you aren't at 20A any more. Two valves won't draw much and in a personal shop you can be pretty sure that no one is going to decide that's a great place to plug in a floor buffer, but you paint yourself in a corner a bit if you ever want to upgrade to a bigger compressor or add a refrigerated dryer.

Please don't install a 1/8" valve on your main air line.

Long time to come back to this, but I got everything wired up tonight. Switch, receptacle, all connected. Aaaand, yeah, it needs a RIB. Everything works great with the switch on. With the switch off, however, if the pressure switch closes, the other phase from the other side of the 208V coil end up feeding the receptacle. Which means the valve opens and the drain fires every 45 minutes. Whoops. It's either a RIB or a 120V coil. The coil is $150. The RIB is $10. RIB it is!

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik


Got off my rear end and cleaned up the workbench area this weekend, itís been an absolute mess the last two months with projects and not having time to clean it up. So nice to have everything neat again.



Iím starting down the road of painting my garage and began prepping the back wall this weekend. Itís gonna be a massive pain in the rear end especially around the third bay workbench area but I donít think itís been painted since the house was built over 25yrs ago. Gonna do a base layer of kilz first. Soooo much wall prep is needed, there are holes everywhere.

Iím gonna do the back wall, workbench area, and a small section of wall in between the garage doors a dark grey, then the rest of the walls a bright white. Iím also going to use crimson red as an accent color but I still havenít decided what exactly Iím going to paint with it.

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh


Motronic posted:

I mean.....nobody can say except the person he's renting it from I'd expect. Or whoever built it. Because it all depends on what the floor assembly is made of and structured. I mean....it's got a garage door on it. What else would it be used for other than vehicles that need a door that size?

Also, compact tractors aren't all that heavy, under a ton for sure even with a loader and cab.

Woodworking shop is all I can imagine.

grunthaas
Mar 4, 2003



This is an interesting thread and I wonder if anyone could give me some ideas for my garage.
I'm in the UK, moved house a couple of years ago and have my first proper garage space. It's not big - 1 car which over here means about 8x17' but it's so good to have. The previous owners were going to convert it into an extra room so it has plasterboard walls and a chipboard floor with insulation underneath. I only need space for a motorbike so I've put a partition wall up and made an office in the back with space for a bike and tools in the front.
It's all good but in the 'garage' side of it I've just got the bare chipboard floor. This is kind of OK but it's gradually getting oilier and dirtier and I can see it could easily get damaged. I'm looking for ideas for a floor covering I can put over the wood as I don't want to loose the insulation. It needs to be non slip as it will get wet. I don't know what a suitable flooring would be called, I just keep getting garage floor paint when I search. Any ideas?

LloydDobler
Oct 15, 2005

You shared it with a dick.



Maybe look for kitchen floor solutions. Similar requirements, really. With more likelihood of being wet and greasy.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.



Garage flooring roll.

With half a 8*17 you could throw down a 3mm roll and be done on 15 minutes. They're tough and wipe clean

Megabook
Mar 13, 2019


Grimey Drawer

I've got pennylok tiles in mine, but I've not used it enough to offer much of an opinion on them. Fitting was easy. I only paid £2 a tile by just dropping in to the manufacturer in Hampshire. They made from recycled cable insulation, which made me feel a bit better.

dreesemonkey
May 14, 2008


Pillbug

trouser chili posted:

Woodworking shop is all I can imagine.

You are correct. I got to see the shop in person last week, no concrete underneath. It's definitely weird for an otherwise well built shop. The tractor seems to be ok on the floor, I don't know that I'd want to park a car in there though.

Wood floor or not I'm insanely jealous, it's 32'x60' with 12' walls.

grunthaas
Mar 4, 2003



Great, thanks for the ideas about the flooring, that roll looks like what Im after.

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh


dreesemonkey posted:

You are correct. I got to see the shop in person last week, no concrete underneath. It's definitely weird for an otherwise well built shop. The tractor seems to be ok on the floor, I don't know that I'd want to park a car in there though.


Yeah it's easy to look at a tractor and think they're lightweight compared to a car, but this little loader tractor of mine punches in around 2000lbs with a rider. I also park it on a wood shed floor. Anyway, if you know the tractor model you can look up the base weight on https://www.tractordata.com. Might help with decision making if you find out it's really a beast.

LloydDobler
Oct 15, 2005

You shared it with a dick.



Lighting chat: I bought a 10 pack of these ultra-cheap LED light bars and I gotta say so far they're awesome.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07Z7TX...0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

I hung them all up and the garage is now lit like never before. It makes me want to really go through it and make it nice.



I'm going to go through and cable manage the wires up to the ceiling, and call it permanent. All that stuff in the foreground by the red car needs to go to the dump, and once it does we can fit a 4th car back in here. My dad wants to do it week by week stuffing it in to our ONE trash can, I just want it out. Plus, you can't get plywood scraps in the can. One $20 pickup load to the dump will get rid of it permanently. Then it's just a matter of de-cluttering the workbenches and shelves. There's actually stuff still here from when I moved out in 1991. I'm super excited about it, it's actually a great space for working.

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Ferremit
Sep 14, 2007
if I haven't posted about MY LANDCRUISER yet, check my bullbars for kangaroo prints

trouser chili posted:

Yeah it's easy to look at a tractor and think they're lightweight compared to a car, but this little loader tractor of mine punches in around 2000lbs with a rider. I also park it on a wood shed floor. Anyway, if you know the tractor model you can look up the base weight on https://www.tractordata.com. Might help with decision making if you find out it's really a beast.



This: tractors are STUPID heavy- they gain their tractive effort as a combo of their tyres and massive weight pushing it down into the earth- the big quad track tractors are 48-60,000lb!

Even my old 1969 Massey Ferguson 135 with a front loader and ballasted tyres is close to three tonnes.

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