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Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Started this game last week and am enjoying it so far. I'm honestly suprised I'm still playing despite not having more story quests to play since I usually lose patience with ftp.

Have resisted temptation to spend money on the game despite my only 4* servants being Marie, lily and Nero. If i ever do pay money I'm sure the gatcha will just give me more verdant black keys.

If only there was an easy way to grind materials. I only need 2 more octuplet crystals to get Nero to 3rd ascention but they refuse to drop. I'm well aware it gets worse.

If i ever get a 5*servant the grind will be the death of me.

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Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
drat it! All I need to max out Kojirou is some infinity gears but I just can't get them! Isthere gonna be an update that allows for easy farming of them in the near future? Those 2 gears are the only thing stopping me from dumping all my grails into him.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
I saved my quartz for when servants with good atk had a rateup as my team is hurting for damage dealers. Had 160 odd quartz and was hoping for Kintoki, though I would have been happy with saber alter.

Rolled them all today. No 5 star servants and the only 4 stars I got were duplicates (Seigfried, Marie and Elizabeth). Rest were craft essences or servants whose NP I already maxed.

Like a fool I bought some more quartz to get another 10 role. Same result. With that in mind:


Tsurupettan posted:

i single ticketed jeanne a few weeks back and got her to asc4 last night

today i single ticketed kintoki

This post has left me in despair :negative:

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Welp, after spending 190 quartz (including £35 of paid quartz) yesterday and getting jack poo poo I decided to try my 6 summon tickets. It was kinda weird in that I got more good stuff in these rolls than all my previous quartz rolls since I started playing 40 odd days ago:

1st ticket- a silver saber that transformed into a golden saber which revealed itself to be Saber alter. I'm guessing the weird summon animation was a result of the rate up taking effect.
2nd and 3rd : 2 black keys craft essences
3rd: GOLDEN (!)
4th: The black grail craft essence(!!)
5th: Robin hood (ehh, already have at max NP)
6th: Artoria Pendragon (!!!)

2 5 star servants and 1 4 star from 6 tickets was quite the thrill. Just wish I had more saber and berserker pieces.

On that note, is it worth bothering to level up both Artorias or should I just focus on one for now? From what I can see Artoria has better stats and skills but Saber Alters Noble Phantasm is much stronger.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Thanks everyone for your input. Seems both Artoria and Alter are nice to have, but their overlap means I should just focus on one for now.

Looking ahead I'm gonna have to dive into grinding dragon fangs either way. Both of them also need a poo poo load of saber pieces to ascend (i currently have 0).

Welp! Time to begin the long grind :shepface:

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Decided to roll my last 3 quartz today for the chance to grab waver. Ended up grabbing Lancelot (one of my favs) so I'd call that a win.

Honestly had a good run with this rate up. I spent a lot of quartz and while I got a lot of crap I also grabbed Kintoki, Artoria (5* and Alter) and now Lancelot. Not what I expected but a wins a win.

Looking ahead I know the fuyuki rate up is kinda crap but I really want to grab EMIYA. Yes I know he's not the best archer and I can grab him as a support but I want my own drat it!

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Managed to roll my own Emiya with a random 3 quartz roll today. Been playing for 2 months and my luck has been pretty good. My golds so far are:

Artoria(NP 2), GOLDEN, SAlter, Marie, Martha Emiya, Siegfried, Elizabeth, Lancelot, Saber Lilly, Stheno and Nero. Granted, I threw £30 down in an attempt to get waiver (which landed me Artoria and Golden). Clearly I've used up all my good luck and its Kirei's and black keys from here on.

Clawtopsy posted:

yes i am going to put my grails into marie because she vives the france and rides a pretty hornse

No shame in that. I'm saving my grails for Kintoki Kojirou. That said, I just fully ascended Stheno despite her near uselesness in most situations because she is a jerk who can't stop trolling everyone.

Nyeehg fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Sep 15, 2017

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Clawtopsy posted:

If anyone would be happy to help a Marie Antoinette and little else out, my NA User ID is 678,365,940!

Marie would want to be friends and you should too.

Sent you a friend request. User ID is Nyeeh. I have set Artoria and Kintoki in my All and Berserker support slots which should easily see you through whats currently out.

Viva la France!

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Since people are sharing their IDs I figured I'd add mine to the list: 270,297,604

Got Artoria and Kintoki at level 70 and a level 80 Stheno if you desperately need a sub par assassin :v:

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Wow Okeanos is cool. Really enjoyed it, much better than Rome.

Decided to use all my quartz from login and Okeanos on a 10 pull gatcha to try and grab anne and mary.

Ended up with Artoria (bringing her to NP 3) and Drake (!!!). Not what I wanted but certainly welcome.

Feeling lucky I used all my summon tickets. Grabbed 2 Euryales and Chevalier D'eon.

I'm bafflled at how generous the gatcha is being right now. Am seriously tempted to spend money to keep this streak going. In a few months this game will probably have ruined my life.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
From what I've seen so far drakes versitility means that a lot of craft essences work well on her. Since she charges her NP so fast I feel that Kaleidoscope is less helpful on her than other servants and prefer anything that increases her damage (buster or crit depending on your team). That said, most things work and it sounds like imaginary around is serving you well.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Speaking of the Halloween event, this gives us Caster Elizabeth for free doesn't it? Anyone know if she's any good? Will max her out regardless since she only needs event items for ascention but would be a nice bonus if she's a decent caster.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

LornMarkus posted:

Oh yeah, I randomly wound up getting Sakata Kintoki when I pulled on the stage of his Banner that also featured Jeanne so is he at all decent. I assume he's useful enough just for being a 5* Berserker but I'm still wrapping my head around the actual meta right now.

Kintoki is awesome. He's fragile even for a berserker (relatively low max HP, no evade skill) but can do insane burst damage. His second skill gives him 30% NP at level 1 so if you give him a Kaleidoscope or maxed imaginary element he can have a full NP when you need it.

Basically his role is to come out and do a craptone of damage to a single enemy. When he's maxed out this can get pretty ridiculous.

Edit:

Miles Vorkosigan posted:

Rolled today hoping to get Orion and got my first 5*, Altria! I hear she's bad, but hell I'm not complaining, she'll be replacing D'Eon on my team.

Altria has worked very well for me. She can fit into most teams due to her deck, has good attack, hp and decent np gain.Charisma and Mana Burst are excellent skills. Only team she doesn't work in is a crit team due to only having 1 crit card

Her biggest problem is that while she can do a bit of everything she will never be as good as a 5* who specialises in one area (Waver is a better support, Vlad and Kintoki are better attackers, Altera is better at waveclear, Jeanne is a better Tank/defensive support).

All that said, She's still a good servant (especially in NA). If you like her she can get you through the game.

Nyeehg fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Oct 5, 2017

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

genericnick posted:

Do greens have a higher crit bonus or what?

To elaborate, a crit team relies on getting as many crit stars as possible. Your more likely to get crit stars if you use green quick cards and/or use attacks that hit multiple times. In general this means having servants with a few quick cards in their deck so you can get multiple quick chains.

Servants with only 1 quick card (like Altria) are usually a poor fit for a quick team because having only 1 quick card means you're much less likely to get quick chains, meaning you struggle to consistently get enough crit stars.

There are exceptions to this though. Drake and Gilgamesh only have 1 quick card so appear to be a bad fit at first glance. However, all of their attacks hit multiple times so they still generate a respectable (or in Gils case ridiculous) amount of crit stars.

Nyeehg fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Oct 6, 2017

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

genericnick posted:

But I suppose you also don't want too many qick cards since base damage is lowest and you'd rather crit on a buster card.

Yep, you want a mix of servants who can generate crit stars and servants who can capitalise on the stars generated.
Part of the reason Gilgamesh does so well on a crit team is that he can do both effectively. His attacks produce a good number of stars and his collector skill allows him to hoard any crit stars generated by the team. When Gil crits on a buster he does insane damage.

Anne and Mary are also a natural fit for a crit team since they have 2 buster cards and all their active skills are about making them crit harder and more often.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
If nothing else I'm looking forward to this event mostly for the reverse dragon scales I need to ascend Lancelot and Drake. Lancelot is my priority as he's been stuck in first ascension for ages because none of the dragons would drop reverse scales. I have enough of everything else that I can just rush Lancelot to max ascension after this event. Anything else is a bonus.

Shifting gears, as someone who only plays the US version why is Musashi so desirable from a gameplay perspective? There are a lot of good 5* Sabers so I'm curious as to what makes her stand out.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
God i'm tempted to whale for Tamamo after using her as a support a few times. From what I've seen she makes some servants ridiculously good (can see her and Vlad working really well). Only thing stopping me is a lack of disposable funds at the minute.

On the subject of 5* servants over the course of playing this game I've somehow rolled 3 Artorias. While I understand she's sub par later her NP is ridiculous right now. If she hits a weakness she outdamages Kintoki (granted his NP is level 1 but still...).

The halloween event seems much better than the dango event so far. Lots of gold apples and the shop is full of ascension items I need. Only gripe is pumpkin farming but at least it's not as tedious as farming tens of thousands of dangos.

Finally, on a completely off topic tangent, DisDisDis where is your avatar from? I'm sure I've seen it or something by the same artist before but cannot recall where for the life of me. Tried google but no dice.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Oh I'm well aware the odds are against me. The cycle of addiction is a helluva thing :shepspends:

In all seriousness I don't plan on dropping loads on the gatcha. If the two 10 rolls I plan to pull next week don't work out I'll just focus on ascending/grailing Leonaidas.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Well I just got 2 halloween princesses as drops. This event is treating me well.

Looking ahead, a limit broken halloween princess seems pretty awesome. I'm probably going to use it as part of my regular setup once the event is over.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Crasical posted:

Disappointing! Oh well.

I just recently started playing the game so I can't easily farm Vlad or Tamamo Cat so I'll give up on getting the CE's and just make sure I have the extra copies of Halloween Liz and all the ascension candy for her.

My ID is 270,297,604. Got Altria at level 80, Drake and Kintoki at level 70. I'll pop some Kaleidoscopes/imaginary elements on them and they should see you through.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

DisDisDis posted:

Tom Mom is good. I didn't buy it but I'm fairly certain it's drawn by this guy https://twitter.com/suv032 (Likely NSFW)

Knew I'd seen that art before. Thanks for clearing that up, you've made my day!

Back on topic, Finally got 5 halloween Princess CE'S. Honestly have what I wanted from this event (CE'S, full power Caster Liz and a few ascension materials) so I don't need to rush. I'm still gonna clear out as much of the shop as I can since you can never have too many materials but I'm gonna hoard my golden apples for when a good spot to grind phoenix plumes shows up.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Considering how much love Elizabeth gets I'm suprised the devs haven't put her "Dark Eliza" form from Extella into the game. That one would allow a berserker/avenger version without having to justify it via yet another holy grail.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Nero was definitely good in Extra. What sold me on her was that early in the game there is an optional scene where you can have your servant explain what the holy grail war is. Archer and Caster give the standard explanations you'd expect. Nero on the other hand gets as far as "The Seven servant classes are Saber, Archer... and I forget the rest but all you need to know is saber is the strongest class and I am the best Saber!"

I'm at the point where I could buy out the shop with some grinding but It's honestly become a grind at this point. The only things I need are maid in halloween (which I honestly don't care about) and the saber pieces (which I have in abundance). Getting the materials is certainly doable but I really don't want to spend my apples when I know GudaGuda is just around the corner and has poo poo I need.

By the way, am I right in thinking that caster liz is the best waveclear caster in the game? I'm certain that's true in NA but does she get usurped later?

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Well the next characters I care about getting are EMIYA (alter and assassin) so for the first time in a long while I'm actually gonna save quartz instead of just throwing it all down on the latest banner. I'll still be using tickets as and when I get them but 10 rolling every baner till then would be pointless.

Speaking of ticket summons, I got my weekly login ticket and decided to have one last pull despite the fact that throwing my last stock of quartz on Tamamo got me jack poo poo. No sparkly animation so I'm guessing it's another Lu Bu (I roll him more than black keys)

It was Herkules :stare:

Thank god GudaGuda will provide some octuplet crystals cause I'm drowning in good servants who need octuplet crystals.

Pierson posted:

Oh man I do have him at that, I may give him a shot. I like the idea of a weirdo one star cameraman chilling out with his god-tier friends

George's only real downside is his low attack power outside his Noble Phantasm. He really is a great servant (definitely in the top tier among 1-3* servants).

Edit:

Clawtopsy posted:

why does everyone call him waver?

The short answer is that's his real name and he's a magus from Fate Zero (in Grand order he's using a loophole to have himself be summoned under the name zhuge liang). In other words he's a cameo, don't worry about it.

Nyeehg fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Oct 30, 2017

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Wow, Gudaguda coming this quickly is nice. With this I'm gonna be able to ascend Emiya, Anderson, Kintoki and Artoria by the time all this is done. At the very least I plan on maxing out anderson and feeding him all my grails. He's probably the best caster I'm gonna get for a while so he deserves to be made golden.

poo poo, I'm gonna need to grind QP.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

RMZXAnarchy posted:

He was really just kind of a pussy.

He was scared of letting saber get hurt and was so whiny that a lot of people wrote him off as poo poo.

When in reality it was the route that was poo poo. UBW and Heaven's Feel are just better in every way.

Anyway, Jeanne is good for Tanking right? How's her damage output? It'll be nice to have a healthy servant who can actually take hits but it won't do much good if she only does a little bit of damage.

Her attack is sub par among 5 stars unfortunately. That said, since nothing resists ruler in NA she can fit in any team. Her NP and fast NP generation means she can make sure your damage dealers survive long enough to do their jobs.

It also helps that she's the easiest 5* to max ascend since all she needs are figurines and monuments from the other classes. Everyone else needs at least one rare material that you'll spend hundreds of AP in a desperate attempt to get one to drop. If you're really unlucky they need a material that you can't grind for until a future update.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

ZiegeDame posted:

Friend Request sent.

If anyone else wants a cute newbie summoning your Lancelot and/or friends, my code 703,068,838 I've got a level 50 Emiya which is better than nothing and might even be useful to you for the next event (as if anyone is using any support but Okita)

Request sent. I'm Nyeehg SA in game.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Used a smattering of free quartz. Didn't get Okita but I managed to push Emiya to NP 2 so that's more than I expected tbh.

Not gonna spend money on this banner. As good as she is, she doesn't synergise well with my team, and I already hit the jackpot with Kintoki, drake and Artoria. By the time they stop pulling their weight better options will be in the gatcha.

Oh well, at least this event will let me max ascend a ton of servants.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
So I decided to spend the 3 quartz I have earned from this event because even though I refuse to put more money into this until JAlter I have no impulse control.

I got Okita :smug:

Am i right in thinking GUDA-O craft essences drop in the 20 AP quest? Need to farm it so I can buy octuplet crystals at some point so if it has a chance of dropping that would be good to know.

RanKizama posted:

About how many points should I be getting from the daily 1AP Quest? I've been getting around 25 to 30K while running full character and CE boosters but feel like that is very underwhelming.

That sounds close to the max number of points you can get from the 1 ap quest right now. Am I right in assuming that when you do the 1ap quests you are using an okita on support and have nobunaga in your party? In any case, the vent is still young, the insane point drops come later.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Nate RFB posted:

I would strongly caution against grinding specifically to get a CE to drop. This is not a Halloween Princess situation. If you have to make sacrifices in what you buy in the shop then do so though.

To clarify, i need to grind the 20AP at some point to grab octuplet crystals and the golden skull. Not planning on grinding for craft essences, just wondering if it had a chance to drop in the 20AP.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Since a lot of new players are asking about this event I drafted a guide for a beginner with limited resourses to get the most out of GUDAGUDA:


I just started playing and can't/don't have enough free time to buy out the shop. Is playing this event pointless?

Not at all. Even if you just started, have no 5* servants and your only 4* is Stheno you can still get a lot out of the event.

Other goons have already explained how to buy out everything in the event shop. However, if your new to the game it will be very time consuming (especially with only 3* Servants). That said you definitely want to grab Nobunaga. She's a good servant and will easily see you through until you get better stuff. Here's how to get the most out of this event:

0- If you haven't already complete Fuyuki. You won't be able to add Nobunaga to your party until then.

1- Before you do any quests put Nobunaga in your party and keep her there for all event quests. Doesn't have to be in the front row, any slot is fine. For your support use Okita (the saber promoted on the banner) with a GUDA-O craft essence.

2- Do all the events story quests. This gives you access to the 1AP daily quests. The final boss is a level 25 archer so if you made it through orleans this will be a cakewalk.

2- Do the 1AP quest every day. This shows up once a day and provides a ton of Honnoji points. Even in a worst case scenario where you have no event craft essences having a support Okita and Nobunaga in your party will still earn enough points from these quests alone to get Nobunaga to permanently join your party.

4- Repeat the 10 AP quest until you have earned 500 Nasu's (the brown orb currencies that enemies drop). Use them to buy 1 GUDA-O craft essence and 1 Golden Skull (Nobunaga's ascension item).

5- Repeat the 20 AP quest until you get 500 blue tea cups. Use them to buy 1 GUDA-O craft essence and 1 Golden skull.

6- Repeat the 30AP quest (40 AP quest has better drops but is probably too tough for someone new to the game) until you have 400 Hiragumo. Use these to buy the last 2 golden skulls.

Congratulations, you now have everything you need to get a 4* Archer at max ascension!

Optional- if you manage all that before the quest ends, focus on buying as many ascension items as you can from the shop (ignore the Fous and exp cards). At the very least you want to look up your favourite servants on the wiki and see if any of them will need ascension items that are on sale in the shop. If they do grab as many of them as you can. This should also give you enough points to earn a second copy of Nobunaga to get her to NP 2 (increasing her NP beyond this is nice to have but very grindy and not essential)

Nyeehg fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 12, 2017

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

NRVNQSR posted:

Might want to clarify that you need to beat the first story quest before you can add the temporary Nobunaga to your party, and all the story quests before you can attempt the 1AP dailies. Also there's a good chance new players will struggle to beat any of the 40APs, so maybe clarify that the 30AP can also get you enough Hiragumo for just the skulls.

Otherwise, looks good!

Thanks, edited the guide.

Incidentally I thought you only needed to beat fuyuki to have access to the 1Ap quests. Oh well.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

NRVNQSR posted:

Sorry, I mean you need to beat all the event story quests, same as the requirement to unlock the free quests. You're right, the only main story requirement is Fuyuki.

Curse my poor reading comprehension :saddowns:. Fixed, thanks.


Meldonox posted:

I'm looking forward to this event being included in history books and marked as non-canon.

Also thanks for the guide Nyeehg. Should I just be grinding each tier and check things off on that list, or are drops more efficient if I treat them as dailies unless I'm AP capped, or what?

Grind each tier and check things off. Don't touch the 20AP until you have the GUDA-O and gold skull from trading Nasu's, then repeat the 20AP until you buy the GUDA-O and gold skull from trading blue teacup's. After that repeat the 30/40AP until you have the last 2 skulls. Anything after that depends on what materials you need (so if you need octuplet crystals grind the 20AP, if you need demon hearts grind the 30/40AP

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
I'm at 519k points right now. Not too concerned about it, the 1ap quest drops get insane by the end. I'm more concerned about grabbing all the hearts in the shop. They're all that's stopping me from max ascending Emiya and Kintoki. Would also be nice to grab some horseshoes and gears to max Anderson but I'm down to my last golden apple.

Speaking of max ascending servants, Stheno is worthless in this rider quest. Does she ever get better or was investing in her a huge mistake?

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Nate RFB posted:

The only positive thing I've read about Stheno is that she's OK in Camelot where she can charm a lot of the male enemies.

Pureauthor posted:

Stheno bad

Clawtopsy posted:

stheno should be three stars

Rat cocks! I like her as a character but I wish she was better. At the moment she's my best assassin :saddowns:

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
So wait, does this banner have Gilgamesh and Tamamo? I like both so I'll definitely be pulling on this banner.

Was originally gonna save for either Scathach or JAlter but a guaranteed 5* is too good to pass up.

Edit: Scathach is in this banner!? Here's hoping she's on rate up.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Badingading posted:

Tamamo's in the guaranteed 5* banner. Gilgamesh is in the Thanksgiving rateup banner alongside Scathach.

So it's 2 seperate banners. I'm guessing the guaranteed 5* banner can only be rolled once right?

Uggh, if only I had more money this time of year. drat you christmas :argh:

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Finally got all the hearts from the shop and earned all the point rewards. Would be nice to get more and gorgon eyes but none have dropped for me so far.

I must say I never believed I would be hurting for exp cards. After this event though I've went from needing none to needing them for 9 different servants. Each of them need about 12-15 gold cards per level so that's gonna be a grind.

To top it all off, I only have enough hearts to max ascend either Drake or Kintoki and I'm not sure who to prioritise (love both so prioritising favs isn't helpful).

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

SunshineDanceParty posted:

I was going to say whichever benefits the most from those last levels but they're both Reverse S growth. Drake's fairly team independent so yeah it depends on if you have the people to keep Kinoki alive, or want someone who doesn't need support.

Kintoki it is then. Anderson pops his NP so often that he's suprisingly survivable right now.

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Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
So I gave each of the new banners a 10 roll not expecting much.

I got Tamamo and Fragments of 2030 :stare:. Tamamo was a welcome suprise as I spent more than I care to admit trying and failing to get her on halloween.

Not rolling anymore as I don't wanna push my luck. Still, this is much better than I expected

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