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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



I enjoyed Cassidy having trouble pronouncing "L'Angelle".

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



It was really funny how when Jesse and Tulip were in the manager's office you could see the stuff with Cassidy play out on the monitors behind them.

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.

Pillbug

muscles like this! posted:

It was really funny how when Jesse and Tulip were in the manager's office you could see the stuff with Cassidy play out on the monitors behind them.

The second I saw him sit down in the monitors I knew he was going to get in a fight.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE AS USEFUL AS NIPPLE HORNS ON A PRIMARCH


Preach season 2 what uuuuuuuuup

Season 1 was good. It wasn't the same as the comic remotely, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Douglas Adams intentionally changed the hitchhiker's guide's plot in dramatic ways when he translated it from book to radio play to movie, because the same things just don't work in different mediums.

Castor Poe
Jul 19, 2010

Cops don't like me.
So I don't like cops.


Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Comic They're going to do that arc. Holy gently caress!

"Burn, you fuckers!"

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

I thought the whole point was that god bailed cause he was afraid of genesis. If it works on god, surely it'll work on hell's assassin tough killer man right? The end was just a dream?

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Castor Poe posted:

"Burn, you fuckers!"

Comic

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008


I like this show a lot, fight me.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



Not enough gun

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

I choose to expose myself

Nap Ghost

Data Graham posted:

Not enough gun

I dont like that the truck moved him!

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



So it looks like they're definitely putting more limitations on the Word seeing as it didn't work on that guy either.

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

I choose to expose myself

Nap Ghost

muscles like this! posted:

So it looks like they're definitely putting more limitations on the Word seeing as it didn't work on that guy either.

It did, Jesse said 'be quiet!' so the guy just said what he was saying quieter

Doronin
Nov 22, 2002

Don't be scared


I'm binge watching season 1 before I get on season 2. So far, I'm really liking the show. However, is it normal to be really confused with the plot through the first 4 episodes? Or am I just not paying close enough attention?

I'm hoping this is like Legion or Carnivale where I don't get it at all, and suddenly everything just fits together.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



It comes together pretty good.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



You know, that is a pretty good magic trick.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



Lol it sounds like they're from "Anvil"

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

I choose to expose myself

Nap Ghost

He stole that magic trick from The Prestige

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Get it, it's an Indian casino.

Labes for days
Dec 14, 2010

His third chybut sack swelled.


I am simultaneously so sad about DeBlanc and so happy about Fiore.

Edit:

Labes for days fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 02:01

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


Really enjoyed the Fiore stuff. Not so much the last bit.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE AS USEFUL AS NIPPLE HORNS ON A PRIMARCH


Watching S2E1, man it was a bit of an issue last season and it keeps going. Cassidy is amazing, Jesse is okay, and Tulip is unfortunately a constant buzz-kill. They've gotta start giving her some other material to work with.

Also feel like they're not taking the you-know-who seriously. poo poo just starts blowing up and they shrug it off as "eh, Texas am I right?" that's... I know they're supposed to be devil-may-care badasses, but you'd think you'd be concerned about your own safety a bit more.

Show is full of entertaining moments but it doesn't feel like it quite gels together, its a little messy.

Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 02:13

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


They don't take anything seriously in the comics either. They know they're basically hosed to even try this so why stress?

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

I choose to expose myself

Nap Ghost

Tulip is a bad boring character in the comic. She's basically Jesse's ideal gently caress-doll that can shoot a gun.

The show gives her some type of personality. It's an improvement.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

You want to know who'd be great for Allfather?



Gerard Depardieu

Supreme Allah posted:

Tulip is a bad boring character in the comic. She's basically Jesse's ideal gently caress-doll that can shoot a gun.

The show gives her some type of personality. It's an improvement.

I agree, it's one departure from Ennis not *really* being able to write women well, or write them well yet make them dependent on Alpha males and then dispose of them tragically and violently.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE AS USEFUL AS NIPPLE HORNS ON A PRIMARCH


BIG HEADLINE posted:

You want to know who'd be great for Allfather?



Gerard Depardieu

I would also accept

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

BITCOIN BATMAN

Supreme Allah posted:

Tulip is a bad boring character in the comic. She's basically Jesse's ideal gently caress-doll that can shoot a gun.

The show gives her some type of personality. It's an improvement.
This one gets it.

Don't get me wrong. I love Tupip O'Hare both in the show and the comics, but Tulip was a progressive character for the nineties.

See also: Buffy, Vampire Slayer, The. Love 'em both, but they're products of their time that were part of bargaining while advancing. Not an end result.

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003

Goodnight Canada!


If only James Gandolfini were still alive.

Is Jonah Hill fat again? If yes it will probably be him.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

mallratcal posted:

If only James Gandolfini were still alive.

Is Jonah Hill fat again? If yes it will probably be him.

I kind of hope they break with tradition and instead of making The Messiah an inbred dimwitted kid, give Gilbert Gottfried the role.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 05:06

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010


Supreme Allah posted:

It was slow to find it's footing, and the Tulip character didn't get much to do until near the end of the season. But to be fair she wasn't exactly dynamic in the comic either.

Most of the complaints I've seen are the usual 'not true to the material' crap, but I can also get how it's not everyone's cup of tea.

Herr Starr, if they get him even half right, hold on to your balls.

I liked season 1 too, but I do think it had some major flaws. You already mentioned the slow starting, stop/go plot and action. The way they structured a lot of the season just killed it's pacing, there was just not enough of an overarching, coherent plot or clear narrative to motivate characters and actions for too much of last season. While there were some truly amazing episodes, with hugely iconic sequences featuring innovative and unique styles that also did a great job of building the characters up, there were also episodes that felt like a chore to watch, and an extremely tedious one at that. I'm prettty sure the week's wait between episodes had a ton to do with that, but the creative team that can reach such highs as the hotel fight, the ominously disturbing and effective psychological horror/western short film that was the Saint of Killers' origin story and reveal should be able to avoid this problem and come up with something to create at least a modicum of plot for the dull, "nothing happening" episodes, as well as build some tension in them beyond "please let there be more Cassidy soon so I can at least be entertained and laugh while nothing happens"

The other major misstep imo is the complete, utter nihilism of the finale and in the wind down of every subplot leading up to it. Besides some of the elements in the finale feeling rushed af and out of nowhere, having the town blow up and everyone in it die makes what were already some pretty meaningless feeling storylines/character development so much more pointless in hindsight, especially when every character just decides to be the best, most ruthless psychopath they can be after the Angels' God secret is revealed to them. Not to mention the jarring effect of Jessie engaging in some Tarantino style banter with his two partners in crime right after this devastating apocalypse is visited upon the parish he was supposed to be the devoted and loving spiritual shepard of. Are we now supposed to think he never actually cared? It was just something to do after he gave up crime and was trying to figure his life out?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


I don't think Jessie knew about the explosion in that finale, which clears up that issue. It happens after he's left town. Apparently we're getting a reaction out of him this season when the characters find out what happened. I've not seen this season yet so I can't really comment.

As to your other issues, I understand them as a matter of preference, but the nihilism of the finale was the thematic coup de grâce of a season of television that was essentially about nihilism. The show's deeply sceptical of small town values -- the only thing that seems to have been keeping Anneville from a full blown Hobbesian state of nature was the belief (or pretence of belief) in God. Otherwise that place would have been a complete vipers nest, which is essentially what it descends into at the end. Jessie's quest isn't just an attempt to find God and punch him in the mouth for being a shiftless wonder, but it's essentially also about returning a sense of order and morality to the universe.

(Of course, it's a bit more complicated than that -- the absence of God also allows certain freedoms. The mascots finally become a couple, and that mother finally decides to move on from her grief instead of spending the rest of her life caring for her braindead daughter. And Emily, who's revealed to have secretly been an atheist the entire time, just continues to live her life the way she'd always have done. Which includes, yes, occasionally feeding overbearing creeps to vampires, but the rest of the time she's generally a good person.)

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

In the strip/jazz club, a bunch of guys are watching the TV and it says something about the entire town being lost, and Tulip says "What town?" but is pulled away and doesn't get an answer. I don't think they know about it yet.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

counterfeitsaint posted:

In the strip/jazz club, a bunch of guys are watching the TV and it says something about the entire town being lost, and Tulip says "What town?" but is pulled away and doesn't get an answer. I don't think they know about it yet.

I think a lot of people don't realize Ep2 was last night. Good going, AMC.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011



BIG HEADLINE posted:

I think a lot of people don't realize Ep2 was last night. Good going, AMC.

what the gently caress

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

MiddleOne posted:

what the gently caress

Yeah, they played Ep1 Sunday night, then *replayed* it tonight before Ep2. It's going to be a Monday night show, not a Sunday one. Ep3 airs 7/3.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



savinhill posted:

The other major misstep imo is the complete, utter nihilism of the finale and in the wind down of every subplot leading up to it. Besides some of the elements in the finale feeling rushed af and out of nowhere, having the town blow up and everyone in it die makes what were already some pretty meaningless feeling storylines/character development so much more pointless in hindsight, especially when every character just decides to be the best, most ruthless psychopath they can be after the Angels' God secret is revealed to them. Not to mention the jarring effect of Jessie engaging in some Tarantino style banter with his two partners in crime right after this devastating apocalypse is visited upon the parish he was supposed to be the devoted and loving spiritual shepard of. Are we now supposed to think he never actually cared? It was just something to do after he gave up crime and was trying to figure his life out?

As we (well, some of us, heh) found out last night, apparently they weren't aware of the extent of the destruction of Annville until just now. It's only now starting to sink in and have repercussions (Tulip's family, etc). Still, you're right, it all feels a bit post-facto, and the town's sudden descent into nihilism didn't exactly ring sincere to me either—felt like they weren't even sure they were going to get a second season so they decided to end S1 in as audaciously goofy a way as possible. Now they have to kind of justify their way back into it.

I should point out wrt the banter—if you know the comics you know this already, but Tarantino style dialogue was one of the hallmarks of the comic. Every time you turned around you'd have Jesse and Cassidy getting into a bar fight after discussing Charlie Chaplin vs the Three Stooges or something. It was pretty much explicitly acknowledged—Pulp Fiction was hanging in the air at the time Preacher came out, after all; it was what every writer thought the future was going to be. And I'm sure the show is trying to make its own nods to that texture, even if it doesn't exactly seem avant-garde anymore in tyool 2017.

BTW, I don't know how many of you guys stayed for Talking Preacher, but there were a few pretty interesting bits in there, like Catlin openly talking about Herr Starr/Featherstone/Hoover and how excited they are for their casting (I'm assuming at this point they will all be affecting accents other than their own). "Bumbling psychopaths" is how he described them.

(Also I was kind of struck by how freely Catlin and Gilgun et al talked about stuff like NAIRing their balls and being proud of their porn history. I know part of the "thing" of the show is to be shocking and edgy, but it sure is a sign of the times that this is what respectable panel guests talk about in front of studio audiences. I'm trying to picture some guest on, like, Carson even letting slip a hint that he masturbated. It would have been the end of the goddamn world)

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


Cassidy cheering up Fiore was fantastic.

Fiore....

Nanigans
Aug 31, 2005

~Waku Waku~


I never read the comic, binged season 1, loved it. Loved the season 2 premiere too!

I don't agree with any of the criticisms. vv

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

MiddleOne posted:

what the gently caress

!!!

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Comic They're going to do that arc. Holy gently caress!

Probably one of the top 2 arcs in terms of stuff that would hold up super well on TV

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



Looking forward to some more top-shelf facial CGI

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