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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


mallratcal posted:

Little moments like that make this show more enjoyable.

His little,"Oh shiiiit" moment when he found out Eugene's mouth was destroyed before coming to Hell was great.

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Dave Syndrome
Jan 11, 2007
Look, Bernard. Bernard, look. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Bernard! Bernard. Bernard. Look, Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard! Look! Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Look, Bernard! Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Bern

AbbadonOfHell posted:

Need to go back to re-watch but did the warden cap him with one of the Saint's guns? (if so RIP cool ferryman dude.)

Pretty sure it was a harpoon gun kind of thing.

Much has been said about the slowness of the show, so I won't bother repeating it.

What I DO like is the economy of storytelling in this particular episode. In many other shows, the following three scenes would have played much differently:

a) Jesse brings the chicken to Grandma and asks her to bring it back to life. She tells him she can revive it, but there is a price. Jesse does whatever she demands, and she revives the chicken. Later, when Jesse fights Cassidy, Cassidy goes "It's the only way!" and Jesse replies "No. There is another way." or "I know someone who can help us". Cut to them driving to Angelville.
Instead, the chicken crossing the road at the end still gave us all we needed to know.

b) Cassidy hears the shot, runs into the house, finds Tulip, calls Jesse, says something like "You gotta come, right now Pardre, Tulip's been shot" and Jesse telling Starr "I have to go, my friends need me".
Instead, Jesse picks up the phone, next scene he's running out of the plane. No time wasted.

c) Cassidy has a long conversation explaining to Denis that he can't trust him, that he knows he's been killing people and probably hanging around with the Enfants du Sang. Cassidy elaborates that he can't let Denis do that and that he also can't have him around as a constant bad influence/resolve weakener. Denis says "Well what are you going to do about it, Papa?", Cassidy pushes him out of the window.
Instead, all is told through visual evidence, and there's not much Cassidy has to say anymore.


Still, there is a lot of time when even at the end of season 2, the whole thing still feels like prelude.


EDIT: I know it's probably just Cassidy's accent, but I love his use of "Pardre". It's the perfect mixture of "padre" and a John Wayne style "pardner".

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Titan
Jan 14, 2002


Vicissitude posted:

True, but we also saw the fallout of a lot of it, too. Like when he took a chunk out of that girl at the arcade, or when he came back to the apartment covered in blood. Actually, was that the bloodstained shirt Cass was holding? It may have been. Also, Dennis wasn't the one keeping the dog in the drawer. Cassidy was to keep Dennis from eating it the same way he ate the cat in the first episode this season. Dennis was gradually getting worse, even if he had a cheery demeanor. Cass was trying to protect the poor dog.

Seeing the, I guess, snuff porn site was pretty much the last straw.

I assumed the videos on the laptop were actually of Dennis killing women. That in combination with him having Tulips panties is what made Cassidy realize he had to kill his son.

Cassidy seemed to also be afraid that Dennis was becoming or going to become a bad influence on him and lead him down a dark path.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

I ain't got time to bleed.

Zaphod42 posted:

My guess was that Hitler would rise to power as a challenge to the Messiah and Jesse both, but we'll see. Could go both ways.

I don't want Hitler to become powerful again. He's proven time and time again he's an evil poo poo, but a physically pathetic one. Just the way he took off running like a cartoon character being chased by Bugs Bunny had me laughing my rear end off.

I want him to go around being a rage-filled troll who can't get any respect because he's actually kind of pathetic. I like pathetic manipulator Hitler as a character, one of the more unique piss-takes of Hitler I've seen.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

I ain't got time to bleed.

Data Graham posted:

Though if what you're asking is what went on in the Enfants du Sang story in the comic,








I know I've seen spoilers from this thread but I'm going to break down and read the comic.

This is like immensely more awesome than the Dennis death.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE AS USEFUL AS NIPPLE HORNS ON A PRIMARCH

Zwille posted:

Yeah, I get the feeling they're trying to set up a lot of stuff in hopes they eventually get the money to do it all. Would be a huge bummer if the show got cancelled before that, though.

Cassidy comic spoilers, sorta
I bet Denis ultimately will be the one who set up Les Enfants Du Sang and it turns out Denis spoke very highly of Cassidy or something, also I look forward to the Anne Rice teardown, hopefully redressed in Twilight fashion. That and "where's your accent now you wanker!"

Hell, they're probably pitching a Cassidy origins spinoff or at least a solo season/half season of that right now. Would that work as in more money?


I gotta say I was skeptical at first but now I absolutely love what they're doing with the source material. I laughed my rear end off at Sharon. Really caught me off guard.

What? None of that is gonna happen.

People in this thread wanted the twilight thing but they did Dennis instead. I really doubt they'll touch Les Enfants at this point.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

hurry up with my damn croissants


Lipstick Apathy

Blazing Ownager posted:

I know I've seen spoilers from this thread but I'm going to break down and read the comic.

This is like immensely more awesome than the Dennis death.

You can knock em all out in a weekend. Worthwhile and fun.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



Haha, this is kind of hilarious

I don't think I'd ever seen this letters column page from Issue 1 in standalone format (I only ever owned the comics as trade paperbacks, and a lot of this stuff was omitted).




Really brings home what the world was like in 1995. Vertigo was a new imprint with a new idea: comics for adults, but in a gratuitously transgressive sense, simple exploitation mostly. Blood and guts. Offensiveness for its own sake. The kind of poo poo you could never get away with under the Comics Code. And Preacher was one of the first comics that was conceived with this "be as offensive as possible" mission in mind. It was never meant to be high literature, or even Alan Moore grade. Here Ennis is saying straight-up that he has less of a coherent story in mind than a mandate to just be as edgelordy as you want to be.

It all seems so juvenile in retrospect, in a way. I was going to say (in reference to some of the preceding posts) something about how the show has diverged story-wise from the comic enough that the experience of the one hardly spoils you at all for the experience of the other; but more than that even, I think the bigger deal is trying to get back into that 1995 mindset and remember what it was like when basically the entire genre of "hosed up poo poo" was new to the world. The show couldn't recapture that feeling even if it tried, so naturally it fundamentally has to be its own thing.

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CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012
My incredible shitposting will not transform the xbone into a good console


Lipstick Apathy

Data Graham posted:

Haha, this is kind of hilarious

I don't think I'd ever seen this letters column page from Issue 1 in standalone format (I only ever owned the comics as trade paperbacks, and a lot of this stuff was omitted).




Really brings home what the world was like in 1995. Vertigo was a new imprint with a new idea: comics for adults, but in a gratuitously transgressive sense, simple exploitation mostly. Blood and guts. Offensiveness for its own sake. The kind of poo poo you could never get away with under the Comics Code. And Preacher was one of the first comics that was conceived with this "be as offensive as possible" mission in mind. It was never meant to be high literature, or even Alan Moore grade. Here Ennis is saying straight-up that he has less of a coherent story in mind than a mandate to just be as edgelordy as you want to be.

It all seems so juvenile in retrospect, in a way. I was going to say (in reference to some of the preceding posts) something about how the show has diverged story-wise from the comic enough that the experience of the one hardly spoils you at all for the experience of the other; but more than that even, I think the bigger deal is trying to get back into that 1995 mindset and remember what it was like when basically the entire genre of "hosed up poo poo" was new to the world. The show couldn't recapture that feeling even if it tried, so naturally it fundamentally has to be its own thing.

Some people never grew out of that phase, I guess. Lotta people whining on Facebook about how they're butchering the comics.

cjg
Sep 5, 2003



Titan posted:

I assumed the videos on the laptop were actually of Dennis killing women. That in combination with him having Tulips panties is what made Cassidy realize he had to kill his son.

Cassidy seemed to also be afraid that Dennis was becoming or going to become a bad influence on him and lead him down a dark path.

Dennis didn't have Tulip's panties; Cassidy found them in the laundry. Cassidy has been in control of his urges and was worried about slipping. Dennis' presence would make that happen so he needed to go.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

No whammy, no whammy, no whammy...

They gave Cassidy fangs.

TV off.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

ruddiger posted:

They gave Cassidy fangs.

TV off.

Pretty much.

"Hey, seems the ladies like Cassidy more than Jesse. Let's give him fangs to work on those 'Twilight' sex fantasies."

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.

Pillbug

I don't see what the big deal in giving a vampire fangs is...

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008


Goons are dumb.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."


He doesn’t have fangs in the comic, but I’m still not seeing how you get from that to “this is terrible”

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

MY OPINIONS ARE AS USEFUL AS NIPPLE HORNS ON A PRIMARCH

Yeah if you asked me I'd probably say no fangs just to be different but... he's a vampire its okay if he has fangs.

What's awful is the Buffy style "pop-out" fangs. Who invented that? Its not like fangs need to fold-away in order to be concealed. Are vampires worried about random police mouth inspections?

Medullah
Aug 13, 2003
Fear my Shark Rocket

Him not having fangs in the comic was pretty much just "Vampires aren't like what you read about. They're just like normal people who live forever and can regenerate when they eat blood, which they hate the taste of but that's what they need to live".

BioMe
Aug 9, 2012


Data Graham posted:

I feel like that story needed maybe like a whole episode devoted to it right out in the open, otherwise it's just a nod and a wink to comic readers and probably incomprehensible to newcomers; but then I know the comics and it was totally opaque to me so who the hell knows.

I do find the dumbest things to get confused by

holy tviv.txt

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

BITCOIN BATMAN

BioMe posted:

holy tviv.txt
Admitting that you get confused and that it's your fault is the antithesis of a TVIV post.

Hold The Ashes
Sep 17, 2017


I'm on episode 9 of season 1 and really liking it but I'm lost with the whole cowboy back in time story, I can't tell what's supposed to be going on with the flashbacks and I don't know if it's because I'm an idiot or if it's not supposed to be something that makes sense yet? Maybe because I'm not American and don't know American Western history or something?

From what I'm thinking the cowboy's wife and daughter (or son?) is sick and needs medicine, wife sends him to Ratwater to get the medicine, on the trip to the town he meets a pioneer family that seems nice, while he's in Ratwaer he gets spotted as being a civil war soldier known for killing a bunch of people, he leaves the town and on the way back the nice family turned out to be murderers who hung a bunch of natives from a tree? He goes back to the town for...something? Something about a boy watching a woman get raped? Then gets beaten up and his horse shot so by the time he gets home his family is dead? Then goes back and murders everybody?

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010



Ratwater is a lawless shithole, but he keeps to himself because his family needs the medicine. On the way home he sees the pioneer family entering Ratwater and goes after them because he knows they're not gonna last five minutes. They gently caress him up, he arrives at home too late to save his family, and he takes revenge on the entire town. Can't remember how the hanging natives enter into it but I think the idea is that that's what counts for Saturday night entertainment in Ratwater.

Hold The Ashes
Sep 17, 2017


My Lovely Horse posted:

Ratwater is a lawless shithole, but he keeps to himself because his family needs the medicine. On the way home he sees the pioneer family entering Ratwater and goes after them because he knows they're not gonna last five minutes. They gently caress him up, he arrives at home too late to save his family, and he takes revenge on the entire town. Can't remember how the hanging natives enter into it but I think the idea is that that's what counts for Saturday night entertainment in Ratwater.

But when he's passing by the family on the way back their wagon has blood all over it and when he gets back to Ratwater to...save them(?) the little boy is handing over a bunch of scalps for money or something. poo poo is confusing.

Clamknuckle
Sep 7, 2006

Groovy


He thought they were an innocent, helpless family but they turned out to be murderous psychos.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010



I can't remember if that's what I got out of it watching the first time but it does seem to fit the showrunners' apparent "let's one-up this Ennis guy" approach.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012
My incredible shitposting will not transform the xbone into a good console


Lipstick Apathy

You don't need to be an American to get the Graham McTavish character's backstory.

He was a Confederate soldier during the American Civil War, known for his savagery.

His wife mostly reformed him from his violent ways.

He passed a slow moving family on the way to Ratwater to get medicine, and also a tree full of scalped and hanged natives.

He saw that people in Ratwater were terrible while the apothecary delayed him for MYSTERIOUS REASONS, due to them raping that family.

He passed the slow moving family going to Ratwater on his way back with the medicine and decided that he should do something, even though he had been delayed, because his wife had taught him to try to be a decent person.

The slow moving family were terrible Ratwater people, they had murdered and scalped the natives.

His wife and child died because he hosed around trying to be a good person, which was obviously a terrible idea in retrospect.

Ratwater Murder Time.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007

Mary Worth had an illicit affair with Refurb and kidnapped Sophie when she learned the truth. Little did Sophie know, but she was held in Apartment 3G under the watchful eye of The Phantom until Dick Tracy rescued her. Meanwhile, in spite of everything, Working Daze still sucked.


CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

You don't need to be an American to get the Graham McTavish character's backstory.

He was a Confederate soldier during the American Civil War, known for his savagery.

His wife mostly reformed him from his violent ways.

He passed a slow moving family on the way to Ratwater to get medicine, and also a tree full of scalped and hanged natives.

He saw that people in Ratwater were terrible while the apothecary delayed him for MYSTERIOUS REASONS, due to them raping that family.

He passed the slow moving family going to Ratwater on his way back with the medicine and decided that he should do something, even though he had been delayed, because his wife had taught him to try to be a decent person.

The slow moving family were terrible Ratwater people, they had murdered and scalped the natives.

His wife and child died because he hosed around trying to be a good person, which was obviously a terrible idea in retrospect.

Ratwater Murder Time.

I preferred it when I didn't know what was going on. That's really dumb.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012
My incredible shitposting will not transform the xbone into a good console


Lipstick Apathy

Tiggum posted:

I preferred it when I didn't know what was going on. That's really dumb.

He's a simple kind of man.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

Season 3 has been announced.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Yesss. I was getting worried.

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Dave Syndrome
Jan 11, 2007
Look, Bernard. Bernard, look. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Bernard! Bernard. Bernard. Look, Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard! Look! Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Look, Bernard! Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Bern

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