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Flubby
Feb 28, 2006
Fun Shoe

Control Volume posted:

Dark souls 2 dlc is the best gaming in the dark souls series

No, no, no, this is the thread for bad opinions.

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limaCAT
Dec 22, 2007

il pistone e male
Slippery Tilde

Kelp Me! posted:

Counterpoint: a lot of the "games as art" games are trash

People went loving apeshit over Braid but it wasn't really that good of a game

Yeah as long as I work my rear end off 8 hours a day videogame can stay pop culture trash all the day long and James gournolists can suck my dick. No one wishes Baseball or Football to become anything different yet adults are spending time and money for watching them without being ashamed by the media because "stuff could be different". If you put an art game on the market and it fails commercially then it's not my fault and gently caress off and starve. If it succeeds then good thing for you but then again don't break my balls.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Disproportionate Orphan posted:

Crafting is a blight on games. It's almost never fun, and it's ubiquitous, now.

crafting is badass in the atelier series, but those games are actually built around it. it sucks when it's just a roadblock on the path to the gameplay you actually care about.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

I loving hate 4X

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Modern MMOs are played entirely by people who have to much time on their hands and have deluded themselves into thinking mindless grinding is fun.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

Endorph posted:

chrono trigger's one of the worst jrpgs ive ever played, and ive played almost every jrpg ever made

We are enemies now.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
I tried out one of those Neptune games and I hate it.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

I want games with good endings - heroes save the day, get the guy/girl and ride off into the sunset. Don't care how original or thematic having everyone die is, if I beat a game I want to feel good about it. Screw trying to be grimdark and edgy.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Americano > Espresso. PERIOD.

Disproportionate Orphan
Apr 17, 2009

Endorph posted:

crafting is badass in the atelier series, but those games are actually built around it. it sucks when it's just a roadblock on the path to the gameplay you actually care about.

I consider that different. I don't begrudge people liking Minecraft or Terraria, either, they just aren't my thing.

Avalerion posted:

I want games with good endings - heroes save the day, get the guy/girl and ride off into the sunset. Don't care how original or thematic having everyone die is, if I beat a game I want to feel good about it. Screw trying to be grimdark and edgy.

I can definitely get this, especially for games you spend hundreds of hours on. I want to at least make it so my characters made the world less bad.

Lakbay
Dec 14, 2006

My eye...MY EYE!!!
Miyamoto was right, story in videogames were a mistake and I hate the trend of taking more and more control away from the player.

I like it when a game is hellbent on screwing with player expectation (Nier Automata, Undertale, etc)

Dark Off
Aug 14, 2015




demon souls was the best souls game.
people kept hyping up dark souls, but to me it felt like a downgrade.
The enemies were less interesting, it was lot easier. The level design was lazier as well.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Putting an Alien skin over a generic "hide and craft things" game did not somehow make Alien: Isolation good or even interesting.

Almost all "indie" games are complete garbage and if your pitch is something about "recapturing the feel of classic 90's X with a new twist" you should never make a video game again.

I think the new Resident Evil game looks dumb and bad.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Lakbay posted:

I like it when a game is hellbent on screwing with player expectation (Nier Automata, Undertale, etc)

Speaking of which, I haven't actually played undertale but watching some lp's... I just did't get the jokes. Like it's trying to be a parody and going all in on the meta humor and memes but for me it just wasn't doing anything.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Lakbay posted:

Miyamoto was right, story in videogames were a mistake and I hate the trend of taking more and more control away from the player.

I like it when a game is hellbent on screwing with player expectation (Nier Automata, Undertale, etc)

???

Simsmagic
Aug 3, 2011

im beautiful



Dark Souls 1 is a good game but it has serious game design issues across the board and "you just need to get good at the game" is not a valid response

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
Fire Emblem is a loving blight and it is preventing more Advance Wars games from being made so I want it strangled to death.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Lakbay posted:

Miyamoto was right, story in videogames were a mistake and I hate the trend of taking more and more control away from the player.

I like it when a game is hellbent on screwing with player expectation (Nier Automata, Undertale, etc)

I really don't get how these two statements can coexist.

The Deleter posted:

Fire Emblem is a loving blight and it is preventing more Advance Wars games from being made so I want it strangled to death.

Advance Wars killed itself unfortunately.

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

i dont like shooters nd i basically dont play multiplayer games online. theyre not bad i just dont want to play them. anyway time to spring the honeypot

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I think Destiny is exactly the same game as Borderlands they just replaced the cool art style with generic sci-fi and replaced the fun semi-lighthearted plot with Unfinished Bungie Plot Template #68

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

When I was a kid, I spent $75 on Superman 64 and spent several weeks trying to convince myself it was worth the money.

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Kelp Me! posted:

People went loving apeshit over Braid but it wasn't really that good of a game

That braid is distilled certified grade A garbage for retards is not a controversial opinion

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
Also I can't even bring myself to finish the first dungeon in Undetale because it's so goddamned boring. How does anyone sit through literal hours of this?

Mung Dynasty
Jul 19, 2003

Why do the peasants slave while the emperor gets to eat all the mung?!
Witcher III is extremely boring. The whole series is extremely boring and I've not been able to get more than 5-10 hours through all of them, but 3 sticks out in my mind the most because it's the highest rated and there's hundreds of "Witcher III ruined other games for me" anecdotes out there.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Braid had some pretty art direction and music, and I recall some clever puzzles.

Kelp Me! posted:

I think Destiny is exactly the same game as Borderlands they just replaced the cool art style with generic sci-fi and replaced the fun semi-lighthearted plot with Unfinished Bungie Plot Template #68

Destiny's retro-scifi aesthetic owns imo, it's everything else that sucks

iRoNgHosT
Mar 10, 2003

www.fusionball.com
I absolutely love Tower Defense games, and would consider it my favorite genre, next to MMORPGs...

I hate every and all MOBAs, and don't understand how anyone could like them.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

ditty bout my clitty posted:

Also I can't even bring myself to finish the first dungeon in Undetale because it's so goddamned boring. How does anyone sit through literal hours of this?

The beginning of Undertale is really bad when it comes to gameplay. The level design never becomes amazing but it does stop throwing so many pointless time wasters at you. Mostly.

iRoNgHosT
Mar 10, 2003

www.fusionball.com

Lakbay posted:

Miyamoto was right, story in videogames were a mistake and I hate the trend of taking more and more control away from the player.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. No more than a very basic background story at best, and then let the game design be the reason for playing.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

It probably depends on the genre too. Mario or whatever - yea doesn't need a story, and I assume the quote was in that context. RPGs which are often about choices, without a story to give them context those choices couldn't matter.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010

Internet Kraken posted:

Advance Wars killed itself unfortunately.

Better to fall on its sword than become a lovely visual novel with a lovely tactical rpg tacked on, I guess.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


ditty bout my clitty posted:

That braid is distilled certified grade A garbage for retards is not a controversial opinion

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/braid
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/braid
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/braid

lmao "#4 best PS3 game of 2009" and "#2 best X360 game of 2008"

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


The Deleter posted:

Fire Emblem is a loving blight and it is preventing more Advance Wars games from being made so I want it strangled to death.

It's a thinly veiled softcore porn game, even has swimsuit dlc

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Dude, dude, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ&t=32s

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003



Games As Art

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Conversely to that guy who likes wholesome good endings, I don't like heartwarming endings.

I'm thinking of games where a group of diverse people, usually including a "thief with a heart of gold", become strong enough to literally kill God and, to a man, abdicate their power and wealth entirely to become the master of their dojo or teacher at a school instead or whatever.

At least D3 recognizes that, ya know, some dude punched the devil to death and then killed death itself. Hopefully he won't do that thing that every other person ever does when they are in a position of unrivalled superiority.

Fried Watermelon posted:

Fire Emblem even has swimsuit dlc

I looked it up, and :lol: this was actually a thing.

Just look at regular anime porn, don't do this weird poo poo people drat.

Arrrthritis
May 31, 2007

I don't care if you're a star, the moon, or the whole damn sky, you need to come back down to earth and remember where you came from
I really like heroes of might and magic vi, I think it might be my favorite game in the series and it's a shame that it got such a lukewarm reception and ubisoft won't let users mod/fix their old games.

also it's a crime that clash of heroes won't get a sequel but i dont think that's an unpopular opinion.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice
Open world game design is a cancer. It might've been good once but now it's the default choice of the laziest hacks.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Avalerion posted:

It probably depends on the genre too. Mario or whatever - yea doesn't need a story, and I assume the quote was in that context. RPGs which are often about choices, without a story to give them context those choices couldn't matter.
I never thought World of Xeen and Wizardry 7 needed more of a plot tbh

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

I never thought World of Xeen and Wizardry 7 needed more of a plot tbh

Never played those, but say Witcher 3 would be nothing without the story, the gameplay itself is just kind of mediocre.

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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
The infinity engine ruined isometric RPGs and the only good ones since were made by Spiderweb software.

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